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Israeli Supreme Court Rejects Request to Prevent Soldiers from Firing on Unarmed Civilians[W:95]

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Six leading Human Rights organizations had petitioned the Israeli Supreme Court to curtail the IDF's penchant for firing on unarmed civilians. A unanimous decision by the court rejected the Human Rights request, insisting that the 'uniqueness' of the situation in Gaza entitles IDF soldiers to fire on unarmed civilians.

Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman praised the Supreme Court's decision, and criticized the Human Rights groups for daring to challenge Israel's right to shoot unarmed Palestinians.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...rt-rejects-challenge-open-fire-rules-55419733

* This is my own take on the story, as ABC wouldn't let me copy and paste any text from it's article.
 
This country is one of Trump's heroes. Think about that.
 
Wise judges resist stepping into the national defense realm.
 
Good decision, it's not their place to prevent the defense of Israel's borders from terrorists and violent attackers.
 
Apocalypse said:
Good decision, it's not their place to prevent the defense of Israel's borders from terrorists and violent attackers.
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Why would you support the execution of unarmed civilians? I'm genuinely curious if you have a reason.
 
truthatallcost said:
Why would you support the execution of unarmed civilians? I'm genuinely curious if you have a reason.
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Because those shot are not unarmed civilians, they were engaged in terrorist activity like placing IEDs on the fence or damaging Israeli security infrastructure.
not to mention those (who aren't shot - unfortunately) who are engaged in arson and burn farmland in Israel on daily basis in the last month
 
ido_ said:
Because those shot are not unarmed civilians, they were engaged in terrorist activity like placing IEDs on the fence or damaging Israeli security infrastructure.
not to mention those (who aren't shot - unfortunately) who are engaged in arson and burn farmland in Israel on daily basis in the last month
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There were plenty of innocent people shot, including at least two medics who were treating the wounded.
 
Aristaeus said:
There were plenty of innocent people shot, including at least two medics who were treating the wounded.
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Thats what usually happens when terrorists are using innocents as human shields, and besides, on which grounds are you saying anyone shot was innocent or not?

there were 10Ks of rioters, ~60 dead out of which Hamas declared ~50 are their members. I'd say the IDF did a terrific job protecting the innocents
 
Chomsky said:
This country is one of Trump's heroes. Think about that.
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Yes and that is another reason I support Trump. Please don't be one of those thoughtless anti Israel drones. Think about that recent riot at Israel's border. How many amassed? I heard 30k-40k. What do you think would have happened if the IDF and other military hadn't been there to repel the surge into Israel?
 
Evilroddy said:
Here is an in-depth analysis of the Supreme Court of Israel decision in the Yesh-Din case. Some real legal gymnastics were on display in the legal opinions as the judges deferred to the military and to the government.

https://www.justsecurity.org/57033/...me-court-decision-allowing-lethal-force-gaza/

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Hard to see how it requires any legal gymnastics. I could only imagine if some group tried to go to our Supreme Court to have them decide for our military leaders what they need to do. How about if these same "human rights" groups go to Hamas and demand they cease attacks on Israel?
 
ido_ said:
Thats what usually happens when terrorists are using innocents as human shields, and besides, on which grounds are you saying anyone shot was innocent or not?

there were 10Ks of rioters, ~60 dead out of which Hamas declared ~50 are their members. I'd say the IDF did a terrific job protecting the innocents
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What's sad is I really think the problem, for some here is, that the IDF was a little too effective. I really think some would have liked to see more harm done to Israelis.
 
X Factor said:
Yes and that is another reason I support Trump. Please don't be one of those thoughtless anti Israel drones. Think about that recent riot at Israel's border. How many amassed? I heard 30k-40k. What do you think would have happened if the IDF and other military hadn't been there to repel the surge into Israel?
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Regardless, I don't support shooting unarmed civilians dead. Whether by Netanyahu, or by Trump. Nor would I praise a man for fighting for that policy. Keep Kent State in the past. One was enough.


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Shooting unarmed children is always a bad idea.
 
Chomsky said:
This country is one of Trump's heroes. Think about that.
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Wait...are you saying that a country should allow terrorist to flood through their borders?
 
truthatallcost said:
Why would you support the execution of unarmed civilians? I'm genuinely curious if you have a reason.
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Because labelling them merely as unarmed civilians in this case is dishonest.
 
Chomsky said:
Regardless, I don't support shooting unarmed civilians dead. Whether by Netanyahu, or by Trump. Nor would I praise a man for fighting for that policy. Keep Kent State in the past. One was enough.


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I was more objecting to your, “can you believe Trump likes Israel?” nature of your post. Obviously you don’t, but that doesn’t make someone else wrong to have the same contempt you do.
 
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Fishking said:
Wait...are you saying that a country should allow terrorist to flood through their borders?
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He apparently just cannot fathom why anyone wouldn’t hate Israel. :lol:
 
X Factor said:
Hard to see how it requires any legal gymnastics. I could only imagine if some group tried to go to our Supreme Court to have them decide for our military leaders what they need to do. How about if these same "human rights" groups go to Hamas and demand they cease attacks on Israel?
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X-Factor:

Did you read the article I linked to. It clearly demonstrates the "legal gymnastics" of the court's decision.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
ido_ said:
Because those shot are not unarmed civilians, they were engaged in terrorist activity like placing IEDs on the fence or damaging Israeli security infrastructure.
not to mention those (who aren't shot - unfortunately) who are engaged in arson and burn farmland in Israel on daily basis in the last month
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Between January 1 and November 6, 2017, Israeli security forces killed 62 Palestinians, including 14 children, and injured at least 3,494 Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza and Israel, including protesters, suspected assailants or members of armed groups, and bystanders. Palestinians killed at least 15 Israelis during this same time, including 10 security officers, and injured 129 in conflict-related incidents in the West Bank and Israel.

Who kills and injures more unarmed civilians between the Palestinians & Israelis? Probably the Israelis, who've been known to use Palestinians as human shields, assassinate children, and refuse to really punish IDF soldiers who engage in wanton killings of innocents.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/israel/palestine
 
Fishking said:
Because labelling them merely as unarmed civilians in this case is dishonest.
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Between January 1 and November 6, 2017, Israeli security forces killed 62 Palestinians, including 14 children, and injured at least 3,494 Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza and Israel, including protesters, suspected assailants or members of armed groups, and bystanders. Palestinians killed at least 15 Israelis during this same time, including 10 security officers, and injured 129 in conflict-related incidents in the West Bank and Israel.

Who kills and injures more unarmed civilians between the Palestinians & Israelis? Probably the Israelis, who've been known to use Palestinians as human shields, assassinate children, and refuse to really punish IDF soldiers who engage in wanton killings of innocents.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/201...rael/palestine
 
I do think that normally the Israeli Supreme Court is extremely biased in favor of government and military, but in this case I have to agree with their ruling. If soldiers are barred from firing on civilians then the first thing that dissidents will do is position some of their unarmed people in conflict zones as shields to obstruct counter-measures.
 
truthatallcost said:
Between January 1 and November 6, 2017, Israeli security forces killed 62 Palestinians, including 14 children, and injured at least 3,494 Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza and Israel, including protesters, suspected assailants or members of armed groups, and bystanders. Palestinians killed at least 15 Israelis during this same time, including 10 security officers, and injured 129 in conflict-related incidents in the West Bank and Israel.

Who kills and injures more unarmed civilians between the Palestinians & Israelis? Probably the Israelis, who've been known to use Palestinians as human shields, assassinate children, and refuse to really punish IDF soldiers who engage in wanton killings of innocents.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/201...rael/palestine
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Your question is completely devoid of relevancy. Hamas is purposefully using the "bystanders" as shields and as weapon unto themselves, encouraging them to try and rush the border and created a gap which they could exploit. The "bystanders" there are fully aware of this and are participating in the strategy. They are weaponizing unarmed individuals.
 
Fishking said:
Your question is completely devoid of relevancy. Hamas is purposefully using the "bystanders" as shields
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The IDF has also used Palestinians as shields, it's been documented by human rights organizations.


and as weapon unto themselves, encouraging them to try and rush the border and created a gap which they could exploit. The "bystanders" there are fully aware of this and are participating in the strategy. They are weaponizing unarmed individuals.
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Yet in 2017, Israel killed over 4 times as many Palestinians. Let's also remember that once the roles were reversed, and Israel's leaders talked about sacrificing their own children in order to secure the land. Ben Gurion endorsed it, now Hamas uses it, and Netanyahu decries the terrorism as a way to make his favorite American supporters even more zealous for his country. I'm not playing that game anymore.
 
X Factor said:
He apparently just cannot fathom why anyone wouldn’t hate Israel. :lol:
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it does not grow less lame with more repeating.

If you criticise somebody you have to hate him? "If you are not with me, you are against me" - true cowboy style...
 
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