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Would you like to see the Palestinians have better weapons to use against Israel?

Would you like to see the Palestinians have better weapons to use against Israel?

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Obviously I'm a firm "no" on this, but I know not everyone thinks this is the terrible idea that I do. I'll go ahead and stick a poll to this but I'm a lot more interested in the comments.
 
I'd rather Israel and Palestine come to a lasting peace.
 
I'd rather see an end to loss of life over all this, but that is dreaming... there is no interest for peace so they might as well obtain the weapons they want and be done with it.
 
X Factor said:
Obviously I'm a firm "no" on this, but I know not everyone thinks this is the terrible idea that I do. I'll go ahead and stick a poll to this but I'm a lot more interested in the comments.
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But watch this. If you asked whether Israel should eliminate restrictions on inflows and outflows into Gaza knowing that it will result in a substantial increase in the quality and quantity of their weapons, which Hamas will use to attack Israeli civilian targets, I bet the answer from lots of folks is different.

Cause the anti-Israel folks rarely talk so explicitly outside their little BDS working groups. They just happen to align with policy decisions that in each and every case increases the difficulties facing the Jews to protect themselves and increases the ability of the Palestinians to keep waging war against the existence of Israel.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
But watch this. If you asked whether Israel should eliminate restrictions on inflows and outflows into Gaza knowing that it will result in a substantial increase in the quality and quantity of their weapons, which Hamas will use to attack Israeli civilian targets, I bet the answer from lots of folks is different.
Cause the anti-Israel folks rarely talk so explicitly outside their little BDS working groups.
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I see that you are correct. I think this was a far easier question for some of us to answer than others. :lol:

They just happen to align with policy decisions that in each and every case increases the difficulties facing the Jews to protect themselves and increases the ability of the Palestinians to keep waging war against the existence of Israel.
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Then go on to criticize Israel for defending itself, all while saying they're not really on anyone's side.
 
I voted "no". I would, however, advocate stopping U.S. foreign AID to Israel. They can then set what ever rules of engagement they want.
 
X Factor said:
~ not everyone thinks this is the terrible idea that I do ~
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Would I support giving superior weapons to (insert random group here) dedicated to wiping Switzerland off the map? No.
Would I support giving superior weapons to (insert random group here) dedicated to wiping North Korea off the map? No.

So my hand is up over here for this being an absolutely terrible idea. Why should Israel be any different to any other random country in the world? The only way you'd support an anti Israel group wishing to wipe Israel off the map is antisemitism of the worst kind. Pure and simple.
 
Would you like to see the Palestinians have better weapons to use against Israel?
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And give Israel a reason to respond with unrestricted force?

Bad idea.

I would rather see both sides sitting across from each other at a table instead of shooting at each other from across a border.
 
Cisero said:
No one can wipe Switzerland off the map. We are invincible.
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Because you have so many interesting ways to kill invaders.....

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I think there is actually a nuclear warhead and a panini maker on that thing. :confused:
 
CJ 2.0 said:
But watch this. If you asked whether Israel should eliminate restrictions on inflows and outflows into Gaza knowing that it will result in a substantial increase in the quality and quantity of their weapons, which Hamas will use to attack Israeli civilian targets, I bet the answer from lots of folks is different.
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Hamas can build bombs from food and medicines?? I didn't know that!
 
Polar Bum said:
Because you have so many interesting ways to kill invaders.....

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I think there is actually a nuclear warhead and a panini maker on that thing. :confused:
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Yeah the panini model is pretty cool. The new model actually has a BBQ grill and a ketchup dispenser, really handy during the summer.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
You left one out. Palestinians cannot pursue their core national aspiration of destroying Israel and liquidating its Jewish population.

Sucks, what the rest flow for their clinging to that core objective.


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Palestinians are not Hamas, but please explain how denying Palestinians equal access to water and equal protection of labour laws is necessary in the fight against terrorism. I'll be waiting.
 
Aristaeus said:
Palestinians are not Hamas, but please explain how denying Palestinians equal access to water
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The distribution of water is according to the treaties signed between Israel and the PLO. On the last few years there isn't much to distribute, most of Israel's water comes from the Mediterranean sea, Palestinians are free to put they tax payer money on water treatment facilities instead of rockets, tunnels and pension for murderers.

and equal protection of labour laws is necessary in the fight against terrorism. I'll be waiting.
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WTF does labor laws have to do with anything. Palestinians are not Israeli, those who are working in Israel are like foreign workers and enjoy the same rights (maybe even with a few more benefits) that other foreigners enjoy.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
But watch this. If you asked whether Israel should eliminate restrictions on inflows and outflows into Gaza knowing that it will result in a substantial increase in the quality and quantity of their weapons, which Hamas will use to attack Israeli civilian targets, I bet the answer from lots of folks is different.

Cause the anti-Israel folks rarely talk so explicitly outside their little BDS working groups. They just happen to align with policy decisions that in each and every case increases the difficulties facing the Jews to protect themselves and increases the ability of the Palestinians to keep waging war against the existence of Israel.
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I voted no, but it's this one sided BS is what loses me, regardless to what side is chirping. CJ, no one here has voted to send better weapons to the Palestinians, but you still want to cry victim. Out of curiosity, which side has taken more lives in your precious conflict?
 
ido_ said:
The distribution of water is according to the treaties signed between Israel and the PLO. On the last few years there isn't much to distribute, most of Israel's water comes from the Mediterranean sea, Palestinians are free to put they tax payer money on water treatment facilities instead of rockets, tunnels and pension for murderers.
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Israel is violating those treaties, hence why most of the water from Palestinian sources is ending up going to Israeli settlers.

ido_ said:
WTF does labor laws have to do with anything. Palestinians are not Israeli, those who are working in Israel are like foreign workers and enjoy the same rights (maybe even with a few more benefits) that other foreigners enjoy.
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So should Canadians working in America have fewer working rights as Americans??
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Would I support giving superior weapons to (insert random group here) dedicated to wiping Switzerland off the map? No.
Would I support giving superior weapons to (insert random group here) dedicated to wiping North Korea off the map? No.

So my hand is up over here for this being an absolutely terrible idea. Why should Israel be any different to any other random country in the world? The only way you'd support an anti Israel group wishing to wipe Israel off the map is antisemitism of the worst kind. Pure and simple.
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Since others are proving to be too shy to weigh in, I’ll try to voice those arguments in favor. The argument, IC, is that Israel is the bad guy always. IDF just wanders through the streets of Gaza executing people for no reason. If there were more dead Israelis that would actually be a positive because...reasons.

Ok, maybe I’m not good at this. The reality I believe that’s at work here is that people who don’t think Israel should be here, at all, believe Israel should just be content with grudgingly tolerating that they do exist.
 
OlNate said:
I voted no, but it's this one sided BS is what loses me, regardless to what side is chirping. CJ, no one here has voted to send better weapons to the Palestinians, but you still want to cry victim. Out of curiosity, which side has taken more lives in your precious conflict?
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You’re pretty one sided, too, Nate. You have to recognize that. When has an anti Israel post ever “lost” you? Is there any “Israel is awful” post you don’t “like” or any pro Israel post that you actually agree with enough to “like”? Under what circumstances would you side with Israel without, at the same time, feeling the need to bash them?
 
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Israel is that friend that you help out because you've known him forever... despite the fact that you know, if push came to shove, he would turn his back on you in a second. The Israel/US relationship is clearly asymmetrical.

And no, I'm not for arming the Palestinians either.
 
Aristaeus said:
Palestinians are not Hamas, but please explain how denying Palestinians equal access to water and equal protection of labour laws is necessary in the fight against terrorism. I'll be waiting.
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You won't have to wait very long.

The Palestinians could have had freedom and independence 20 years ago, but instead chose to support their leadership in their suicide bomb war against Israel's civilian population. Killing Jews in the hope of "liberating historic Palestine" was more important to them than all these things.

As for the rest:

- The Palestinian territories have the law applied to them which existed at the time they were left by Egypt and Jordan, which is a combination of Jordanian, British and Ottoman law. Israel could annex the territory to extend Israeli law over it, but I have a feeling you wouldn't like that either.

- Palestinian water usage is poor because they do a bad job at investing in their infrastructure and the Israelis invest tons. Gaza has crappy water because the Palestinians don't manage their water resources and used pipes for rockets instead of sewer systems and destroyed efficient greenhouses cause Jews were in them previously. Israel has invested billions in water desalination and developing conservation techniques to allow for all different sorts of more efficient water use. The Palestinians didn't, and are not entitled to share in those benefits, particularly given the aforementioned suicide bomb war against Israeli civilians.
 
X Factor said:
You’re pretty one sided, too, Nate. You have to recognize that. Is there any “Israel is awful” post you don’t “like” or any pro Israel post that you actually agree with enough to “like”? Under what circumstances would you side with Israel without, at the same time, feeling the need to bash them?
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The exact moment when they take responsibility for their part in all of this.

Don't confuse the likes for picking a side, I absolutely refuse to, because you can't. What I'm "liking" about these comments is that they are generally correcting someone regurgitating Israeli propaganda talking points, not because I'm like "**** Israel!!"... Not at all, man.

This is a weird topic for me, X, because I'm so frustrated with the situation (I'm 40 years old, and this conflict was old when I was born, and I've never known life without hearing about it), and I find myself fighting bitterly with hard liners on all sides of this, except for the folks who refuse to pick a side at all, which, after so many years, and so many dead, feels like the more appropriate approach.

Another reason why it may appear that I am one sided is that I don't feel the need to debate or prove the fact that terrorism is bad. It goes without saying. But if you need me to say "**** each and every last terrorist in the world", well, **** each and every last terrorist in the world. Now let's talk about the behaviors of the Israeli government, until atrocities committed by governments are as unacceptable as those committed by terrorists. That line get a little blurry in the middle east, man, you've got to admit that, surely.
 
OlNate said:
I voted no, but it's this one sided BS is what loses me, regardless to what side is chirping. CJ, no one here has voted to send better weapons to the Palestinians, but you still want to cry victim. Out of curiosity, which side has taken more lives in your precious conflict?
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of course they didn't. But like I said all you need to do is change the venue or the style of question and you can get a radically different answer. We used to see it more explicitly during the Palestinians suicide bomb war and rocket war, where the argument was always "this is the best they can do given what they have. If they had better weapons they wouldn't need to resort to suicide bombs or crude rockets. Meanwhile, no matter what the Israeli security concern, folks line up against Israeli efforts to prevent Israelis from getting killed (see, eg, the blockade, the wall, targeted killings of terrorists).

As for the last little quip, it's not my fault the Palestinians continue to follow a horrific policy objective using tactics that are going to result in casualties on their end. That would be their fault and the fault of those who enable that conduct. Jews are done apologizing for doing a good job at defending themselves.

But hey, out of curiosity of course, since the start of the Syrian civil war, who has killed more Palestinians, the Israelis or Syria? And that even lets you pretend Palestinian terrorists are the same as Palestinian civilians killed by the Syrians. But I guess keep your focus on your precious conflict to the exclusion of the stateless, oppressed descendants of Palestinians being denied rights and kept in camps all across the ME.
 
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