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Third embassy to open in Jerusalem in under two weeks [W:159]

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Bodhisattva said:
Zionists strive to be the peace makers...gobble
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What !!!!!!!!!!! The Zionists are a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION read their history before opening your mouth...are there many people like this on this site??????

As for Paraguay......News to me they were so big on economics and POLITICS,they ain't but they are run by REPRESSIVE DESPOTS,you need to put your brain into GEAR BEFORE OPENING YOUR MOUTH.....WE HAVE TWO EARS AND ONE MOUTH FOR GOOD REASON
 
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Phys251 said:
How about this, maybe Israel stop giving Gazans about as many rights as prisoners get and we might not even be having this discussion.
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That's been tried -- and it failed. It's too bad the innocents suffer, but Hamas is the cause of the trouble.
 
NO1 said:
Here what i wrote on this subject-
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THE SILLIEST OF POSTS,WHERE IS BETHELHEM?????IN PALESTINE.....your foray into where other people go now or in the past is EGREGIOUS(SHOCKING or OUTSTANDINGLY BAD)you need a history lesson,your post is Moronic
 
HowardBThiname said:
That's been tried -- and it failed. It's too bad the innocents suffer, but Hamas is the cause of the trouble.
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I HATE TO TELL YOU BUT
IT WAS THE ISRAELIS AND AMERICANS WHO,ARMED,TRAINED AND BANKROLLED AND INVENTED HAMAS....they did it because they in their MAD MINDS thought Palestinians would fight against Arafat and do their dirty work.

ALL THEY GOT WAS THE 1st INTAFADA and the REST IS HISTORY.................Your post is OBSEQUIOUS RUBBISH as usual...steve
 
theliq said:
What !!!!!!!!!!! The Zionists are a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION read their history before opening your mouth...are there many people like this on this site??????

As for Paraguay......News to me they were so big on economics and POLITICS,they ain't but they are run by REPRESSIVE DESPOTS,you need to put your brain into GEAR BEFORE OPENING YOUR MOUTH.....WE HAVE TWO EARS AND ONE MOUTH FOR GOOD REASON
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Then you understand tbat the terrorists are the ones attacking the innocent Israelis... good. I am glad you learned the truth. :)
 
theliq said:
THE SILLIEST OF POSTS,WHERE IS BETHELHEM?????IN PALESTINE.....your foray into where other people go now or in the past is EGREGIOUS(SHOCKING or OUTSTANDINGLY BAD)you need a history lesson,your post is Moronic
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:lol:

Your posts are ridiculous thus far....
 
theliq said:
I HATE TO TELL YOU BUT
IT WAS THE ISRAELIS AND AMERICANS WHO,ARMED,TRAINED AND BANKROLLED AND INVENTED HAMAS....they did it because they in their MAD MINDS thought Palestinians would fight against Arafat and do their dirty work.

ALL THEY GOT WAS THE 1st INTAFADA and the REST IS HISTORY.................Your post is OBSEQUIOUS RUBBISH as usual...steve
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That's incorrect and misleading. At one point, Israel may have funded Hamas as a way to oppose the PA, but Hamas was organized by and off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. And, none of that is important now at any rate, since Iran and other rogue entities now fund Hamas.
 
Phys251 said:
And yet again you refuse to acknowledge the number of civilians on each side killed and injured.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Gaza_border_protests

I'd rather live in a world where civilians on neither side are killed. Seems that that's a pretty basic goal that not everyone shares. :shrug:



You make an inflammatory comment like that, I demand that you cite EXACTLY where I say it.
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Simple. Since we know the Palestinians have, for decades, explicitly and primarily targeted civilians, but you cite actual civilian casualty figures to suggest Israeli defensive efforts are uncalled for, you are saying that Israel isn’t justified with its defensive efforts. Now of course since your argument depends on the lack of Israeli civilian casualties, it would necessarily come to a different view if the Palestinians were more effective at murdering Jews. This the “not enough dead Jews” argument.

The entire thing is both a paradox and a fiction. We could easily flip the numbers. All Israel has to do is nothing, and then we will get a lot of dead Jewish civilians and no dead Palestinian civilians. In that case, presumably you (although many others here would not in practice) support the Israelis defending themselves. But if the Israelis are too “successful” in protecting their civilians, it opens them back up to your original “point” that Israeli civilian casualties are not sufficient to justify their defence.


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HowardBThiname said:
That's been tried -- and it failed. It's too bad the innocents suffer, but Hamas is the cause of the trouble.
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So there is no way to give Gazans the most basic of human rights? Your position is an unacceptable, defeatist position.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Simple. Since we know the Palestinians have, for decades, explicitly and primarily targeted civilians, but you cite actual civilian casualty figures to suggest Israeli defensive efforts are uncalled for, you are saying that Israel isn’t justified with its defensive efforts. Now of course since your argument depends on the lack of Israeli civilian casualties, it would necessarily come to a different view if the Palestinians were more effective at murdering Jews. This the “not enough dead Jews” argument.

The entire thing is both a paradox and a fiction. We could easily flip the numbers. All Israel has to do is nothing, and then we will get a lot of dead Jewish civilians and no dead Palestinian civilians. In that case, presumably you (although many others here would not in practice) support the Israelis defending themselves. But if the Israelis are too “successful” in protecting their civilians, it opens them back up to your original “point” that Israeli civilian casualties are not sufficient to justify their defence.


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Not one thing you said in there even remotely addresses my concern. To address my concern would require a simple understanding of human behavior and a baseline level of empathy for non-terrorist Gazans.

I have the privilege of waiting for that. Gazans don't.
 
Phys251 said:
Not one thing you said in there even remotely addresses my concern. To address my concern would require a simple understanding of human behavior and a baseline level of empathy for non-terrorist Gazans.

I have the privilege of waiting for that. Gazans don't.
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I'm sorry, but what does this ghave to do with what you asked and what we were talking about. Saying that something isn't justified based on the number of Jewish casualties relative to the number of Palestinian casualties is a "not enough dead Jews" argument. You got faux offended so I spelled it out. At least stay on point?
 
Apocalypse said:
You're making a conclusion based on nothing when you say he was just doing his job, way to go demonstrating for the who knows what time your ability to destroy your own arguments.
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No, I'm making a conclusion based on the fact that he was literally doing his job when panicky, trigger happy Israelis blew him away.

Israelis then went on to smear the name of an innocent man.

But hey, every Palestinian is Hamas until proven innocent, right?
 
Apocalypse said:
Their lands according to what? Jerusalem is their land since when?
Ignorance.
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It was given to neither state in the partition as you well know and was to be an international status area where of of those religious folk could go and pray to their heroes

The Jews conquered one half , the Arabs the other.

Then they all signed the 4th Geneva convention that dismissed acquisition of territory acquired through warfare

East Jerusalem remains , thus , Palestinian Occupied Territory
 
theliq said:
I HATE TO TELL YOU BUT
IT WAS THE ISRAELIS AND AMERICANS WHO,ARMED,TRAINED AND BANKROLLED AND INVENTED HAMAS....they did it because they in their MAD MINDS thought Palestinians would fight against Arafat and do their dirty work.

ALL THEY GOT WAS THE 1st INTAFADA and the REST IS HISTORY.................Your post is OBSEQUIOUS RUBBISH as usual...steve
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Lol no. The US certainly didn't arm--- or create---Hamas.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
I'm sorry, but what does this ghave to do with what you asked and what we were talking about. Saying that something isn't justified based on the number of Jewish casualties relative to the number of Palestinian casualties is a "not enough dead Jews" argument. You got faux offended so I spelled it out. At least stay on point?
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Of course you don't want to talk about how Gaza civilians are being treated. It would undercut your entire argument. Thus you dismiss evidence that you don't like. But it doesn't change the fact that Gazans literally have about as much freedom as prisoners do.
 
Phys251 said:
So there is no way to give Gazans the most basic of human rights? Your position is an unacceptable, defeatist position.
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You obviously know very little about the situation or you would understand that every time Israel has let up or given land to the Gazans, the Gazans have responded with violence or by electing Hamas (a recognized terror group) to govern them.

It's not just Israel that's restricted access to the Gazans -- Egypt has closed its border with them as well as a result of the election of Hamas.

Yet, Israel still provides water to the Gazans as well as electricity. In addition tens of thousands of Gazans are allowed into Israel to work. So, you really don't know what you're talking about. You're just repeating the memes you've heard.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
I'm sorry, but what does this ghave to do with what you asked and what we were talking about. Saying that something isn't justified based on the number of Jewish casualties relative to the number of Palestinian casualties is a "not enough dead Jews" argument. You got faux offended so I spelled it out. At least stay on point?
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The poster you responded to has no knowledge of the conflict, she's just repeating memes. Just a head's up -- in case you thought you might actually get some meaningful discussion. It's not happening with that one.
 
Phys251 said:
They want more war.
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Well, since Israel is already surrounded by people and nations that want to exterminate every last one of them I fail to see a dynamic worse than that.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
...waged by zionists on the concept of a Palestinian state. Gobble gobble.
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I think you need to do a little history lesson and inform yourself on who has wages the wars, starting from day 1 Israel was created.
 
Phys251 said:
No. Yet again you struggle to even understand what I am saying.
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Here is what you wrote -
What exactly do you expect people with absolutely no liberties to do? Sit back and take it? You honestly think that's how humans naturally behave in those kinds of conditions?
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In other words you said Gazans have no liberties so they use terror. Which as I said wrong.

Another post of yours -
You do not understand that that blockade destroys Palestine's economy and their liberties. Palestine is not getting off the ground because they can't. Israel won't let them! Thus the conditions that fuel terrorism continue.
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You said the blockade destroys Palestine's economy and fuel terror. When the truth is Hamas is spending all the money on terror even though their people are starving, also you were wrong because the blockade was result of Hamas terror activity not the opposite. You mixed it all up. That's your words.


Just look at what you wrote: You equated all Gazans to terrorists. Nothing good can come from that. So let's try this again:

* Nearly all Gazans have their liberties taken from them.
* Only a tiny portion of Gazans are terrorists.

If you can accept these two simple truths, then we can continue. Otherwise you are arguing from a position that is simply not rooted in fact.
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I don't think every Gazan is a terrorist, but the Gazan people chose Hamas, and Hamas charter is well known. Now, Hamas is rulling there, that's makes Gaza terror state and it have implications. So it's pretty clear who is the one to blame here.
 
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