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A member of parliament from UK is apologizing, after criticizing Israel over the clashes in Gaza

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https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/996784239545896960
Yesterday I criticised Israel's handling of the protests at the Gaza border. I should not have been so quick to judge. We now learn that the 50 of those killed were Hamas terrorists. Israel had an absolute right to defend itself against such attacks.
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Hamas admitted that 50 of his members killed in the "protests".
Also Hamas forced civilians to participate in violence against Israel -
https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/VIDEO-Captured-terrorist-exposes-Hamas-tactics-on-Gaza-border-556665
"They control the Gaza Strip, and everything that happens there goes through them," the man explains.

"Hamas organizes these riots so that the people won't revolt. Hamas tell themselves, instead of having people revolt and turn against us, we'll send them to the fence and let them 'revolt' there freely," he continued.

The man further explained that while Gaza has electricity, Hamas streams orders to go to the fence and riot, and while some do not go, Hamas organizes transportation for those that do. He also explained Hamas instructs women and children to move closest to the fence under the pretense that the IDF does not shoot women and children.

"They [Hamas] have established a committee that is responsible for the march, and for telling people to go," he said, but, "people wear out and get fed up, and I am one of these people," he concluded.
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In addition Hamas blocked humanitarian aide from Israel for the people of Gaza -
https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-gaza-hospitals-suffer-shortages-hamas-said-to-refuse-israeli-medical-aid/
The Hamas terrorist group on Wednesday refused to accept two shipments of medical supplies for Gaza hospitals, which are struggling with shortages, after seeing they were sent by Israel, Israel’s military liaison to the Palestinians said.
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Good for Nick Boles for admitting his mistake, not many people can do that (like some posters here).
 
Perhaps he could condemn Israel for shooting a Canadian doctor twice in the legs.
 
Nick Boles is a Conservative MP, his wife is Jewish, and he put his Hebrew lessons on his MP expenses. He proposes that 50 of the 54 protesters killed were Hamas. (as if that were justification )
 
Manc Skipper said:
Nick Boles is a Conservative MP, his wife is Jewish, and he put his Hebrew lessons on his MP expenses. He proposes that 50 of the 54 protesters killed were Hamas. (as if that were justification )
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Yesterday he critisized Israel over the clshes in Gaza for not being restraint, when actually the IDF target 50 Hamas terrorists.
 
Aristaeus said:
Perhaps he could condemn Israel for shooting a Canadian doctor twice in the legs.
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Or (more accurate ) he should condem Hamas for forcing men, women and children to participate in violence against Israel.
 
NO1 said:
Good for Nick Boles for admitting his mistake, not many people can do that (like some posters here).
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I can’t find what he actually said about the Israeli response in the first place, only references to the apology. Do you know what he actually said in the first place?

Isn’t it at least possible that his initial response was actually reasonable and he was forced in to a false retraction by political pressure?
 
NO1 said:
Yesterday he critisized Israel over the clshes in Gaza for not being restraint, when actually the IDF target 50 Hamas terrorists.
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Hamas are terrorists, but so is the IDF- they have killed more unarmed civilians than Hamas has over the years.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Nick Boles is a Conservative MP, his wife is Jewish, and he put his Hebrew lessons on his MP expenses. He proposes that 50 of the 54 protesters killed were Hamas. (as if that were justification )
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It is over 100 killed... funny how people forget to mention this. The killing started over a month ago. And yea Nick Boles probably got an ass kicking by May or others in the party to fall in line. It taints the conservative attacks on Labour for their supposed issues with anti-semitism.
 
PoS said:
Hamas are terrorists, but so is the IDF- they have killed more unarmed civilians than Hamas has over the years.
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You should look up the word "terror".
 
PeteEU said:
It is over 100 killed... funny how people forget to mention this. The killing started over a month ago. And yea Nick Boles probably got an ass kicking by May or others in the party to fall in line. It taints the conservative attacks on Labour for their supposed issues with anti-semitism.
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Would you link your 100 killed statement ??
 
NO1 said:
Yesterday he critisized Israel over the clshes in Gaza for not being restraint, when actually the IDF target 50 Hamas terrorists.
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So 50 others killed, and a thousand non-Hamas wounded is acceptable to you. How many IDF were harmed in this bloodly exchange? None. Not a scratch.

They fence people into a toxic cage for generations, then shoot them if they object.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Nick Boles is a Conservative MP, his wife is Jewish, and he put his Hebrew lessons on his MP expenses. He proposes that 50 of the 54 protesters killed were Hamas. (as if that were justification )
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You’re upset terrorists were were killed?
 
Manc Skipper said:
So 50 others killed, and a thousand non-Hamas wounded is acceptable to you. How many IDF were harmed in this bloodly exchange? None. Not a scratch.

They fence people into a toxic cage for generations, then shoot them if they object.
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Didn't you read the op?
Hamas is forcing civilians to participate in violence against Israel.
 
Barnacle said:
How would you even know that? Hamas has a habit of killing their own people ...

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...estinians-2014-than-any-other-year-since-1967

NO1 said:
You should look up the word "terror".
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel

An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old.
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This is both terrorism and an atrocity, not to mention pure murder.
 
NO1 said:
Here -https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/996379924461219841
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Thanks. That’s pretty much what I’d expected. The point he made, echoing the article he linked, seems perfectly reasonable, presented in a calm and measured manner. The claim from Hamas that many (though not all) of the people killed were members doesn’t change that (it’s effectively presumed by the article in the first place).

I guess we’ll never know what went on behind the scenes that led him to feel obliged to make the apology or whether he really meant it. Regardless, I don’t see it as a good thing for this kind of reasonable commentary to be (self-)censored, regardless of whether I agree with their conclusion.
 
PeteEU said:
It is over 100 killed... funny how people forget to mention this. The killing started over a month ago. And yea Nick Boles probably got an ass kicking by May or others in the party to fall in line. It taints the conservative attacks on Labour for their supposed issues with anti-semitism.
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Prior to the 'main event' of that party Hamas was having the casualties were also terrorist in their majority. Just can't admit reality since it isn't pro-terrorist and anti-Israeli enough.
 
PoS said:
Hamas are terrorists, but so is the IDF- they have killed more unarmed civilians than Hamas has over the years.
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That is not the definition of terrorism otherwise the US, UK, France and plenty of others would be considered terrorist while the actual ones such as ISIS are not. (Which from your history of posting I have no doubt is your position but I'm just using it to show the absurdity)
 
PoS said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...estinians-2014-than-any-other-year-since-1967



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel



This is both terrorism and an atrocity, not to mention pure murder.
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No, it's an incident in a war zone. There have been plenty of those unfortunate tragic incidents in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere and while some were criminal in nature the majority were not, surely not terrorism.

I already destroyed this claim of yours in an earlier thread, goes to show that you merely seek to engage in Islamist propaganda.
 
Manc Skipper said:
So 50 others killed, and a thousand non-Hamas wounded is acceptable to you. How many IDF were harmed in this bloodly exchange? None. Not a scratch.
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Who said thousand wounded? Gazan officials. And who said none of them were Hamas or any other terror group from the Strip? You?
Your requirement for Israeli blood to be drawn is ridiculous and not worthy of a response.

They fence people into a toxic cage for generations, then shoot them if they object.
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Every country has the right to defend its borders no matter what nonsense you choose to buy into.
 
PoS said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...estinians-2014-than-any-other-year-since-1967

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel

This is both terrorism and an atrocity, not to mention pure murder.
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You’re going with a story of an incident that happened in 2004 that was not a policy and actually showed members of the Israeli military were not OK with it, which demonstrates that it’s not pervasive?

Is that the comparison you’re going with? Well, I guess since the US military had that one guy go off and murder a bunch of villagers they are just as bad as the Taliban, using your standards.
 
HonestJoe said:
I can’t find what he actually said about the Israeli response in the first place, only references to the apology. Do you know what he actually said in the first place?

Isn’t it at least possible that his initial response was actually reasonable and he was forced in to a false retraction by political pressure?
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Then it would be one of those weird forced false retractions that actually was factual and based in reality. So what you’re kind of saying is that it would have been better for him to have let a false statement, or at least misleading, to stand.
 
PoS said:
Hamas are terrorists, but so is the IDF- they have killed more unarmed civilians than Hamas has over the years.
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US sanctions on Iraq killed 500,000 children and we are not nearly in the same level of danger that Israel is in. It seems you don’t want to acknowledge that Israel has had to fight off multiple wars of extermination and a group of people that democratically elected a terrorist group who’s charter calls for that extermination to happen and launch thousands of rockets into Israel a year. That Egypt also keeps its border closed.

In other words, you’re missing context from the safety you have sitting comfortably behind your computer screen.
 
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