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A member of parliament from UK is apologizing, after criticizing Israel over the clashes in Gaza

PeteEU said:
It is over 100 killed... funny how people forget to mention this. The killing started over a month ago. And yea Nick Boles probably got an ass kicking by May or others in the party to fall in line. It taints the conservative attacks on Labour for their supposed issues with anti-semitism.
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When a terrorist group (i.e. Hamas) specifically uses human shields for the expressed intent of increasing civilian casualties, that tends to happen.
 
Fishking said:
Then it would be one of those weird forced false retractions that actually was factual and based in reality. So what you’re kind of saying is that it would have been better for him to have let a false statement, or at least misleading, to stand.
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As per my post #17, I've now seen what he initially posted and I don't believe it (or the article he linked) was wrong. They weren't really making statements of fact, just expressing opinions and both already accounted for the fact the violence was instigated by Hamas as a terrorist organisation within them. I don't see why the claim from Hamas about many of the killed being members changes anything, certainly not to the extent of requiring a complete retraction. I don't believe the trigger for his retraction could have just his seeing that claim independently but that there would have been other political pressure put on him behind the scenes.
 
Fishking said:
When a terrorist group (i.e. Hamas) specifically uses human shields for the expressed intent of increasing civilian casualties, that tends to happen.
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You really dont know what you are talking about do you.. do you even know where Gaza is and the situation there? And in no way am I excusing Hamas or their actions, but come on..


Btw.. The IDF has actually been videotaped using human shields.. where is your condemnation of that?
 
NO1 said:
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/996784239545896960


Hamas admitted that 50 of his members killed in the "protests".
Also Hamas forced civilians to participate in violence against Israel -
https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/VIDEO-Captured-terrorist-exposes-Hamas-tactics-on-Gaza-border-556665


In addition Hamas blocked humanitarian aide from Israel for the people of Gaza -
https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-gaza-hospitals-suffer-shortages-hamas-said-to-refuse-israeli-medical-aid/




Good for Nick Boles for admitting his mistake, not many people can do that (like some posters here).
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You mean like the Israelis who accused the journalist who got killed during the previous round of clashes of being a member of Hamas without a shred of evidence, then doubled down on their rhetoric?
 
Apocalypse said:
Prior to the 'main event' of that party Hamas was having the casualties were also terrorist in their majority. Just can't admit reality since it isn't pro-terrorist and anti-Israeli enough.
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Yea yea, more Israeli propaganda bull****. Do you get paid by the post?
 
NO1 said:
~ Good for Nick Boles for admitting his mistake, not many people can do that (like some posters here).
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Nick Boles has had to make several apologies in his parliamentary life. The guy is a tool.
 
PeteEU said:
Yea yea, more Israeli propaganda bull****. Do you get paid by the post?
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No though I suspect you may get hurt by the replacement of American sanctions on Iranian funds.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You mean like the Israelis who accused the journalist who got killed during the previous round of clashes of being a member of Hamas without a shred of evidence, then doubled down on their rhetoric?
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Your attempt to derail the thread is noted.
 
HonestJoe;10685348?06 said:
Isn’t it at least possible that his initial response was actually reasonable and he was forced in to a false retraction by political pressure?
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Absolutely possible and the most likely reason imo

The use of the antisemite card is a powerful tool and Israeli Jews and others just love to use it in order to stop dead any criticism of Israeli policies , which is not even antisemitism in the first place
 
oneworld2 said:
Absolutely possible and the most likely reason imo

The use of the antisemite card is a powerful tool and Israeli Jews and others just love to use it in order to stop dead any criticism of Israeli policies , which is not even antisemitism in the first place
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The obsession with an anti-Israeli agenda is rooted in antisemitism in its purest form.
 
NO1 said:
Your attempt to derail the thread is noted.
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My pointing out the willingness of Israelis to call innocent people terrorists in lieu of any sort of evidence is extremely relevant to the thread.
 
Apocalypse said:
The obsession with an anti-Israeli agenda is rooted in antisemitism in its purest form.
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Play the card all you want , people that have studied this conflict are on to it now and know how it is being misused to deflect legitimate criticism of abhorrent Israeli policies
 
PeteEU said:
You really dont know what you are talking about do you.. do you even know where Gaza is and the situation there? And in no way am I excusing Hamas or their actions, but come on..

Btw.. The IDF has actually been videotaped using human shields.. where is your condemnation of that?
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Nope...no idea what I'm talking about. I mean, this has only been in my field of work for about 15 years. What would I know? As for your examples of the IDF doing it, it's wrong when that happens to, though if you think it's anywhere close to the same level, you're speaking out of utter ignorance.

https://nypost.com/2015/05/02/un-report-outlines-how-hamas-used-kids-as-human-shields/

You see, for those who are actually informed on the subject, you know...those who work on such things, you know that using civilians and kids as human shields is their standard TTPs. In this case, they've specifically pushed women and children to the front of the clashes to try and get them killed. Then they will pay money to those who get wounded or their families for those who get killed.

Despite all of this, Hamas has admitted that the majority of those killed were actually members of Hamas. Further, Hamas' stated charter is the destruction of Israel and since they were democratically elected that means the majority of those in the Gaza strip want that as well. This means that you don't let anyone from Gaza onto your land, full stop.

Why don't they go to the Egyptian border and ask them to open up there?
 
oneworld2 said:
Play the card all you want , people that have studied this conflict are on to it now and know how it is being misused to deflect legitimate criticism of abhorrent Israeli policies
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Those who have studied this conflict, and are truly informed on it, understand that Israel has shown amazing restraint.
 
oneworld2 said:
Absolutely possible and the most likely reason imo

The use of the antisemite card is a powerful tool and Israeli Jews and others just love to use it in order to stop dead any criticism of Israeli policies , which is not even antisemitism in the first place
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Yeah, couldn’t possibly have to do with the fact his original view was based on biased propaganda from Hamas and once they admitted the scam he reevaluated and realized he ****ed up.

Must be that other stuff, since we all need to pretend anything that doesn’t act ask propaganda against the Jews never actually happened.

Your position is ridiculous and so is your adherence to Hamas propaganda.


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oneworld2 said:
Play the card all you want , people that have studied this conflict are on to it now and know how it is being misused to deflect legitimate criticism of abhorrent Israeli policies
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Lol. “People”.


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oneworld2 said:
Play the card all you want , people that have studied this conflict are on to it now and know how it is being misused to deflect legitimate criticism of abhorrent Israeli policies
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"Now"? It's been known for decades that antisemites are using Israel as a form to express their hatred. The world's antisemites didn't just disappear at one point.
 
PeteEU said:
Israel has veto right on what goes over the Egyptian border.
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Sorry for bursting your bubble again but these agreements are no longer exists, since about 2009.
 
Fishking said:
Those who have studied this conflict, and are truly informed on it, understand that Israel has shown amazing restraint.
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The post you replied to was more concerned with the use and misuse of the term antisemite.

I would suggest that the Arabs on the receiving end of Israeli policies and actions might disagree with your analysis
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Yeah, couldn’t possibly have to do with the fact his original view was based on biased propaganda from Hamas and once they admitted the scam he reevaluated and realized he ****ed up.

Must be that other stuff, since we all need to pretend anything that doesn’t act ask propaganda against the Jews never actually happened.
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Could be the case or could be he was frightened of the , sure to come , Israeli backlash and the , sure to come , antisemite card that accompanies it

Your position is ridiculous and so is your adherence to Hamas propaganda.
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Not really , I don't think the Arab man that claimed that all of those shot were Hamas members and also claimed that Jews kill Palestinians kids to use their blood to make their bread has much in the way of credibility do you ?

Hold on , obviously yes you do but only when it suits
 
Apocalypse said:
"Now"? It's been known for decades that antisemites are using Israel as a form to express their hatred. The world's antisemites didn't just disappear at one point.
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Yep now.

The card was only used for those who held racist or hostile views towards Jewish people for them being Jewish.

Now it is used as a general slur against any that criticize Israeli policies or any that dare to mention historical facts that are concerned with Jewish actions that some Jews don't like anyone mentioning. Ken Livingstones comment and treatment serve as an example

For sure some of the critics of Israeli policies and actions will be fuelled by genuinely racist opinions of Jews themselves but to extend that to everyone and everyone is not only a none credible accusation it also serves to devalue the term itself imo
 
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oneworld2 said:
Yep now.

The card was only used for those who held racist or hostile views towards Jewish people for them being Jewish.

Now it is used as a general slur against any that criticize Israeli policies or any that dare to mention historical facts that are concerned with Jewish actions.
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No, it's still used against antisemites, you just don't like it that's all.
 
oneworld2 said:
The post you replied to was more concerned with the use and misuse of the term antisemite.

I would suggest that the Arabs on the receiving end of Israeli policies and actions might disagree with your analysis
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The ones that democratically elected a terrorist organization? Or the ones that have attempted multiple wars of extermination against Israel? Why would their disagreement matter?
 
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