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Arab league to meet over 'illegal' U.S. embassy move to Jerusalem: MENA [W:83:109]

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Are you actually paying attention to the news. Our allies have lost faith in us and in US leadership. The only ally Trump has pleased to some degree is Israel.

And a lot of people don't want Israel to be pleased in any way, do they?
 
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The UN is anti-Semitic?

Actually, yes.

You remember the whole singling out of the Jews to declare the concept of Jewish self-determination is racist thing? Or the obsessive focus on Israel by the GA and various other UN orgs?




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I see we’re playing the “if a Democrat supports it, no liberal is allowed to criticize it” card pretty early this hand.

Liberals don't criticize anything anymore, they just attack people....
 
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Liberals don't criticize anything anymore, they just attack people....

Uh huh.
 
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Finally something I agree with Schumer on. Two independent nations made a decision. Palestinians have been miffed since long before that idea popped in someone's head. To say they are mad because it finally came to fruition is nonsense and nothing but regurgitated propaganda.
 
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I see we’re playing the “if a Democrat supports it, no liberal is allowed to criticize it” card pretty early this hand.

The point is, this deal has been in the making for a long time and was agreed upon by many Dems. Now that Trump has moved it forward, many Dems fault him for something that has been in the making for a long time and was agreed upon by many Dems. Either way we turn it, this was a long time coming.
 
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The UN is anti-Semitic?

As an organization and its policies? Absolutely.

The United Nations has adopted more resolutions against Israel (typically at the behest of members of the Arab League and their allies within the former Soviet Union) than any other country on Earth.

Now, that can be because Israel truly is the greatest producers of atrocities on Earth, outdoing the People's Republic of China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iraq under Saddam Hussein and Syria in terms of human rights abuses, OR that the United Nations as a body has an extraordinary fixation on Israel and the reasons for that fixation are as plain as the star on the Israeli flag. I tend to go for the latter.
 
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Jerusalem is the most holy place of all three abrahamic religions.
and no one is denying that it can continue to be so

Lots of blood has been shed over it.
Ask why.

Now we officially gave it to one of them.
No, we moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, a place were Jews, Muslims and Christians are free to worship.

Our evangelists want the temple back on the mount so Jesus can come back.
The Lord will come back, regardless of structures or any human attempt to aid or hinder.

Doing so would be spitting in the eye of Muslims.
If they wish to live in harmony, they need to be as tolerant as they expect to be tolerated in a land that affords them to freely worship alongside Christians and Jews.

THAT is why it should be internationally held.
You understand sovereignty?
 
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And a lot of people don't want Israel to be pleased in any way, do they?

If you're inferring that I don't value Israel as an ally, you're wrong. I am not implying anything beyond what I said. Trump has weakened alliances with many western nations.
 
lol. Yes, it is obvious that the Arabs hated the Jews but hate them more now that the Jews are free and doing well.

Isn't it obvious that given this rabid, rampant antisemitism, which you acknowledge notwithstanding the attempt to justify) that your observation of what the "Arab street" thinks of the Jews doesn't really import any sort of credibility or righteousness to either their views or those who would seek to align with them as evidence that they have the moral high ground?

This isn't hard.

You really think all Arabs and all Muslims hate the Jewish people? Anybody with this type of perception of the ME is incapable of honestly declaring a policy will lead to peace. You simply cannot be for peace while making statements like this.
 
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Moment of history - Israel allows people of all faiths access to the country’s myriad holy sites. In fact, Israeli law mandates that everyone, regardless of religious affiliation, has the right to visit all holy places within Israel.
By contrast, between 1949 and 1967, when Jordan controlled the holy sites, all Israelis were forbidden from entering East Jerusalem, including the Old City. Additionally, holy sites and Jewish cemeteries within East Jerusalem were desecrated. Upon gaining control of all of Jerusalem in 1967, Israel immediately opened the area to people of all faiths so that they would be free to worship at their respective holy sites without threat of violence or persecution.

I know people from Middle Eastern, mostly Muslim nations and the government of Israel has banned entry of their passports altogether
 
You really think all Arabs and all Muslims hate the Jewish people? Anybody with this type of perception of the ME is incapable of honestly declaring a policy will lead to peace. You simply cannot be for peace while making statements like this.

Did you see the poll results? It was only 200 million out of 275 million.

So not all, and I never said all.

But I for one don’t like those odds....


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I suppose you agree with the current wave of, for example, anti-white sentiment in S. Africa, too? Your ID appears to be a farce.

It's not a case of agreeing with anything

It's a case of applying logic and reason to understand why something is happening

Fully expect more attacks on Muslims living in Europe every time there's an Islamic jihadist type terror attack in Europe. Even though the Muslim people being attacked have had sweet FA to do with the terrorist attack themselves and might have had the same reaction of horror to it as the person who has lashed out at them.

This is not a hard concept to understand and the evidence is there to back it up , so it's clearly not a farcical idea
 
Did you see the poll results? It was only 200 million out of 275 million.

So not all, and I never said all.

But I for one don’t like those odds....


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I don't see a poll
 
You really don't have a clue what you are talking about,

Yes I do , the rise in the antisemitic sentiments of Arabs will have closely followed the events since the European Jewish influx to Palestine , the creation of the Jewish state in their midst and the resentment of having been periodically battered by these recent immigrants and their anglophile support.

It's the same today. Every time the IDF slaughters a whole load of its neighbours in the Arab world , attacks on Jewish people living in Europe go up. That's just what happens. It doesn't imply anything to say that. It's just a recognition of the facts

and in any event Arab antisemitism, both historic and current, which you apparently understand and see as justifiable, is beyond question.

Why do you always have to rely on misrepresentation ? If you can't discuss things without these ridiculous tendencies why do you bother at all ?

There's always been antisemitism throughout history in all kinds of places. There's been massacres of Christians and Muslims too. Human history is bloody and cruel

So what you have done is to have put something of a list up regarding Arab attacks on Jews/antisemitism to prove what ? That it has existed ? Did I ever say it never ?

If you recall I said that antisemitism in the Arab world was nowhere near as bad as it was in the Christian world over the same period. You agreed and now claim , or rather choose to completely misrepresent that by inferring I claimed there was no antisemitism.

That's dishonest
 
Yes I do , the rise in the antisemitic sentiments of Arabs will have closely followed the events since the European Jewish influx to Palestine , the creation of the Jewish state in their midst and the resentment of having been periodically battered by these recent immigrants and their anglophile support.

It's the same today. Every time the IDF slaughters a whole load of its neighbours in the Arab world , attacks on Jewish people living in Europe go up. That's just what happens. It doesn't imply anything to say that. It's just a recognition of the facts



Why do you always have to rely on misrepresentation ? If you can't discuss things without these ridiculous tendencies why do you bother at all ?

There's always been antisemitism throughout history in all kinds of places. There's been massacres of Christians and Muslims too. Human history is bloody and cruel

So what you have done is to have put something of a list up regarding Arab attacks on Jews/antisemitism to prove what ? That it has existed ? Did I ever say it never ?

If you recall I said that antisemitism in the Arab world was nowhere near as bad as it was in the Christian world over the same period. You agreed and now claim , or rather choose to completely misrepresent that by inferring I claimed there was no antisemitism.

That's dishonest

Goalpost shifting. You were pretending the Arab street being against Israel was some sort of legitimate marker of Israel being wrong. It isn’t.


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Goalpost shifting. You were pretending the Arab street being against Israel was some sort of legitimate marker of Israel being wrong. It isn’t.


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The only one that has shifted goalposts is you........... by trying , dishonestly , to infer that I had denied that there were any instances of Arab antisemitism prior to the advent Zionism. I said that compared to European antisemitism it was pretty tame.

The clue is that it wasn't Arab Jews fleeing from Palestine to Europe to escape rabid anti Semitism , it was European Jews fleeing to Palestine to escape European anti-Semitism

The reason why " Arab street " has seen a huge rise in antisemitism is because of the bashing they have had off the Jewish state and its Anglophile backers. The same backers that support all of the Arab state dictatorships that suppress them themselves. The wars and carnage all of this has caused for them

It's just the logical explanation that you don't want to accept , or for the concept to even see the light of day. Hence all of your shenanigans here again

The indigenous peoples of North America didn't end up hating the European settlers that displaced and dispossessed them because they were white and/or Christian . They hated them because of the immense turmoil and uproar , death and destruction that had been visited upon on them as the result of their appearance

Basic basic understanding of human emotions and traits , that you are struggling to understand this is only revealing of yourself
 
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I know people from Middle Eastern, mostly Muslim nations and the government of Israel has banned entry of their passports altogether
Well I'm pretty sure you are not telling the whole story. Anyway Muslim, Jews and Christians are praying in Jerusalem on daily basis.
 
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Ok then let's have a look at the list.


From Central and Eastern Europe
Albania
Georgia
Ukraine
Czech Republic
Hungary
Romania
Serbia.

From Western Europe
Only Austria

From Asia
Myanmar
Philippines
Thailand
Vietnam.

Notably Absent
Canada
Australia
Germany
China
Russia
Argentina
India

Exactly.

Of the G8 countries, (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, the US, the UK, and the EU) exactly zero (not counting the USA - which pretty much had to be there because it would have looked silly if no one from the US attended the opening of the American Embassy) attended.

Of the G20 countries (Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union) exactly zero (not counting the USA - which pretty much had to be there because it would have looked silly if no one from the US attended the opening of the American Embassy) attended.

Strangely enough Albania, Czech Republic, Georgia, Hungary, Myanmar, Philippines, Roumania, Serbia, Thailand, Ukraine, and Vietnam all want the US government to ship them a few boxcars full of money.
 
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Breaking

Thank God for Trump pulling out of that Iran nuclear deal. You just can't trust those radical mullahs.

BREAKING: Iranian Group Offers $100,000 to Blow Up New U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem
Iranian Group Offers $100,000 to Blow Up New U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem

It would be interesting to know if anyone has:

  1. heard of the Iranian Justice Seeker Student Movement more than four days ago;
  2. actually seen the posters that are REPORTED to have been put up;
  3. had this REPORT confirmed by any reputable source; or
  4. knows anyone who knows someone who thinks that they might have heard of a person who was once associated with a suspected member of the Iranian Justice Seeker Student Movement.

I suspect that

  1. No one has heard of this group prior to four days ago;
  2. no one has actually seen the posters;
  3. there has been no reliable confirmation of the report; and
  4. no one actually knows anyone who knows someone who thinks that they might have heard of a person who was once associated with a suspected member of the Iranian Justice Seeker Student Movement.
But I have been known to be wrong before.
 
Yeah, the Arabs sure do have some choice views about Jews...

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Adult population of countries surveyed within this region: 275,147,371; Total number of individuals harboring Anti-Semitic attitudes: 200,000,000


Must be the Jews' fault.

Interesting link.

Admittedly the people conducting the survey had an ideological axe to grind and the questions are incredibly badly designed AND the survey data isn't actually included, AND the methodology isn't revealed, but "interesting" results none the less.

PS - Did you notice that 26% of the world "harbors Anti-Semitic attitudes" (whatever that means)?
 
Interesting link.

Admittedly the people conducting the survey had an ideological axe to grind and the questions are incredibly badly designed AND the survey data isn't actually included, AND the methodology isn't revealed, but "interesting" results none the less.

PS - Did you notice that 26% of the world "harbors Anti-Semitic attitudes" (whatever that means)?

It's really hard not to notice.
 
It's really hard not to notice.

If you make a good living out of exploiting "the fact" that people don't like you, and you do a survey that shows that 1 in 4 don't like you, then the most likely options are that either:

  1. there is actually something about you that people have a reason not to like; or
  2. your survey was designed to ensure that you got the response that you wanted (i.e. that a lot of people didn't like you).
If the survey is by an organization like the ADL, I'd tend to favour Option 2.

What, however, would have been really interesting would have been to see:

  • a somewhat more nuanced questionnaire (rather than one which asked questions that were the equivalent of "Have you stopped beating your wife yet? [Answer "Yes", "No", or "Refused to say".]); and/or
  • the reasons for the responses; and/or
  • the demographics of the sample; and/or
  • what "normalization" adjustments were made.
Absent those factors, the degree of credibility that should be given to the survey is fairly low (although I would agree that there is SOME level of "anti-semitism" [which is an incorrect term since the Arabs are "Semitic" people as well] in all countries.

Have you wondered what the results would be if the same survey were conducted but with the words "Muslims" and "Muslim" substituted for the words "Jews" and "Jewish"? [HINT - Other than the "degree of control" questions, I'd be prepared to bet that the results would be fairly close to a mirror image.]

You might find Half of Israelis say negative feelings toward Arabs will never change and Arab Americans and American Muslims Are at Risk interesting.

You might notice, if you take a look at those two articles, that the Middle East (Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates and Yemen) has (using 2013 data) a population of around 218 million which is about 3% of the total world population while the US has about 5% of the total world population AND that the percentage of "Anti-Jews" in the Middle East is roughly the same as the percentage of "Anti-Muslims" in the US.

If Muslims ever established a really visible presence in the American cultural, financial, business, and/or manufacturing sectors it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect that the percentage of "Anti-Muslim" feeling in the US would be even higher.

Admittedly, there is a much greater feeling of immediacy when you are sitting right next door to the people who don't like you living next to them than there is when you aren't, so I quite understand why you would be more worried about the fact that many Arab/Muslim nations (even those supported by the United States of America) "don't like Jews" than you would be about the fact that the American (and Israels) people "don't like Muslims".
 
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