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I really want to know more about the History of Palestinians, so what you got?

Speical dates , importent figuers, meaningful periods of time , speical events and speical artifacts?

Any of the above will be a good start.
 
Given your location, I would think that you have an advantage as far as physical research. Location, location, location....google can be accessed from anywhere...
 
Rexedgar said:
Given your location, I would think that you have an advantage as far as physical research. Location, location, location....google can be accessed from anywhere...
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Well that is a meaningless post. Zero info.
 
NO1 said:
I really want to know more about the History of Palestinians, so what you got?

Speical dates , importent figuers, meaningful periods of time , speical events and speical artifacts?

Any of the above will be a good start.
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Are you doing an assignment? Is there a specific time frame you're interested in? I guess I'm asking if you're looking for the history that predates the formation of Israel, or after?
 
NO1 said:
I really want to know more about the History of Palestinians, so what you got?

Speical dates , importent figuers, meaningful periods of time , speical events and speical artifacts?

Any of the above will be a good start.
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That you are genetically related to Palestinians?
 
HowardBThiname said:
Are you doing an assignment? Is there a specific time frame you're interested in? I guess I'm asking if you're looking for the history that predates the formation of Israel, or after?
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No. It just after debating about it with some people here, I got interested. Any info will be welcomed.
 
NO1 said:
I really want to know more about the History of Palestinians, so what you got?

Speical dates , importent figuers, meaningful periods of time , speical events and speical artifacts?

Any of the above will be a good start.
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It's actually something I am genuinely interested in as well.

Now, all of us know that the "Palestinians" as a geopolitical or national identity is very, very recent, but we do know that the land has a very rich history and has seen waves of conquerors, both in biblical times and from Alexander on down. But there really is very little that I've seen of objective history on how the territory and its inhabitants fit into the broader empires in which the land formed a part and how the Arab communities within the territory evolved, and where and when various Arab immigration communities came from.

So among the folks there today there is obviously a large number that came in following the proper development of the lands starting with the Zionist initiative and British control, but there were also previous waves, constant migration by Bedouin, and folks who are descendants of the various immigrant populations that have been absorbed into the Arab Muslim polity (I can't prove it but we certainly see a lot of fair skinned Palestinian Arabs who appear more like descendants of the crusaders than descendants of the Mohammedan armies). I for one have always wondered how many Palestinians today can trace ancestry back to Jews who were forcibly or otherwise converted over the years under Muslim domination.

Now unfortunately objective history out of the pro-Palestinian camp is impossible (as they are and always have been about inventing historical narratives for political purposes and they lack the western interest in objective history which we see as part of the Israeli historical efforts), and their only real interest in history is in respect of how it advances their narrative and arguments, but would be genuinely interested in an objective history of the territory prior to Zionism.

Wondering if any of the pro-Palestinian folks have anything in mind (and no, Said and Chomsky and their ilk wouldn't count)
 
JANFU said:
Are you Jewish?
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Interesting where you are going but you would have it backwards. Any relationship would be from the Arabs, as the invading peoples, absorbing Jewish communities into their broader group. Which is fine and that's how things worked and still do work, but just to be clear none of that would support anything other than trying to bring the "Palestinians" back into the fold of the Jewish community, which I'm going to guess most of them don't strongly support (given the apes and pigs thing and all)
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Interesting where you are going but you would have it backwards. Any relationship would be from the Arabs, as the invading peoples, absorbing Jewish communities into their broader group. Which is fine and that's how things worked and still do work, but just to be clear none of that would support anything other than trying to bring the "Palestinians" back into the fold of the Jewish community, which I'm going to guess most of them don't strongly support (given the apes and pigs thing and all)
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Apes and Pigs???
No, on that you are wrong as to the point I will make later.
 
JANFU said:
No, on that you are wrong as to the point I will make later.
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Right... So the Palestinians are the descendants of the ancient tree people and the Jews were spun out only recently. This will be entertaining.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Right... So the Palestinians are the descendants of the ancient tree people and the Jews were spun out only recently. This will be entertaining.
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Yes it will.

If I prove it, as I earlier mentioned in a very small way, would you consider making a substantial donation to the Board. If this is against the rules, then I would withdraw that request. But if it is permitted, would you?
 
JANFU said:
So you are related to the Palestinians, and heck even me in a very small way.
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Most Interestingly, it is the Palestinians who will deny this. We saw Abbas do that just the other day and we know the anti-Israel folks love to claim that Jews were never really in Israel and are just colonialist European interlopers.

I think the studies show that Jews are very closely related to Arabs and even more closely to the Arabs living in Palestine. My view on causality there is that the Palestinian Arab population has a good chunk of ancestry resulting from the absorption of older Jewish communities by the Arab invaders. They also, I'm guessing, have a relevant piece of crusader DNA woven into the mix, along with various other conquering and settling peoples. I also suspect that the "Jewish DNA" has a good chunk of pre-Israel content from the Phoenicians/Philistines (who I think were closely related to the Carthaginians) and the various other Canaanites and that would also be infused in any populations that absorbed a material part of that Jewish population. Not sure how much but that could explain some of the differences between Sephardic Jews and the various populations of various countries where they were living (Iraq in particular, given how old the Jewish community was there before it was destroyed)

I still don't see how that means anything unless they are ready to rejoin the Jewish community (which would involve a radical change in mindset and attitudes) but it would certainly be good if we could get them to be more tolerant and pluralistic and if we could do that it would be great if we could ultimately shift the mindset to the "we are all not so different in the end" fantasy ideal.
 
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JANFU said:
Yes it will.

If I prove it, as I earlier mentioned in a very small way, would you consider making a substantial donation to the Board. If this is against the rules, then I would withdraw that request. But if it is permitted, would you?
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I don't understand what this means. Sorry but let's see what you got. I actually am fascinated by the objective history here (which comes in part from the Jewish side of things but also because I've read a lot of Roman history starting with Alexander's conquest and am really interested in how populations and rulers have moved around all around Europe, the ME and North Africa). So anything you can give me might be helpful, especially objective books on the topic.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
I don't understand what this means. Sorry but let's see what you got. I actually am fascinated by the objective history here (which comes in part from the Jewish side of things but also because I've read a lot of Roman history starting with Alexander's conquest and am really interested in how populations and rulers have moved around all around Europe, the ME and North Africa). So anything you can give me might be helpful, especially objective books on the topic.
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Here ya go
https://www.google.com/search?clien....psy-ab..0.2.276...0i22i10i30k1.0.1A2PBtxPC8s
 
Who were the Philistines mentioned in the Bible?

The Bible often refers to a people known as the Philistines, who lived in Canaan when God’s ancient people took possession of the Promised Land. For a long time, these ancient Philistines opposed God’s people, as is highlighted in the account of David’s encounter with the giant Philistine champion named Goliath.​—1 Samuel 17:1-3, 23-53.

The Bible indicates that the ancient Philistines migrated from Caphtor to the southwestern coast of Canaan. (Jeremiah 47:4) Where was Caphtor? The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (1979) notes: “Although the evidence does not permit a definitive solution, current scholarship points to the island of Crete (or perhaps Crete plus the Aegean Isles, which culturally belong together) as by far the most probable site.”​—Volume 1, page 610.

In line with this, the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures reads at Amos 9:7: “‘Are you not like the sons of the Cush-ites to me, O sons of Israel?’ is the utterance of Jehovah. ‘Did I not bring Israel itself up out of the land of Egypt, and the Philistines out of Crete, and Syria out of Kir?’”

It is not known when this ancient sea people migrated from Crete to the section of Canaan that came to be called Philistia, the southwestern coastline between Joppa and Gaza. They seem to have already been in this region of low coastal plains in the days of Abraham and Isaac.​—Genesis 20:1, 2; 21:32-34; 26:1-18.

The Philistines continued to be a potent force in the area long after Israel entered the land that God had promised them. (Exodus 13:17; Joshua 13:2; Judges 1:18, 19; 3:3, 4; 15:9, 10; 1 Samuel 4:1-11; 7:7-14; 13:19-23; 1 Kings 16:15) As late as the reign of Judean king Uzziah, Philistines remained in their cities Gath, Jabneh, and Ashdod. (2 Chronicles 26:6) Others of their cities prominent in Biblical accounts were Ekron, Ashkelon, and Gaza.

Alexander the Great conquered the Philistine city of Gaza, but in time, the Philistines apparently ceased to be a separate people. Professor Lawrence E. Stager wrote in Biblical Archaeology Review (May/​June 1991): “The Philistines too were exiled to Babylon. . . . No record exists, however, as to what happened to the exiled Philistines. Those who may have remained in Ashkelon after Nebuchadrezzar’s conquest apparently lost their ethnic identity. They simply disappear from history.”

The modern name Palestine is derived from Latin and Greek words, which leads further back to the Hebrew word for “Philistia.” Some Bible translations in the Arabic language use a word for “Philistines” that is easily confused with the word for modern Palestinians. However, Today’s Arabic Version uses a different Arabic word, thus distinguishing between the ancient Philistines and modern Palestinians.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1995088?q=palestinians&p=par
 
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