UN Jerusalem vote: US 'will be taking names'

What if...? · Dec 28, 2017

OldFatGuy said:
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem demanded that all Arab nations drive the Jewish citizens of the newly formed State of Israel into the sea. He demanded all muslims living within the new borders established by the UN leave until the Jews were driven into the sea, and if they didn't leave they too would be targets of Jihad, as traitors to Islam, apostates.

Chaim Weizman, the first president of Israel, and David Ben Gurion, the first Prime Minister of the newly formed State of Israel, on the morning after the UN vote for partition, gave speeches begging all those living within the new borders of the new nation, remain as free men and women, partners in building the re-established nation of Israel as equals.The Dervishes and many Arab families who had established themselves in the region when Saladin regained Jerusalem from the Crusaders, remained. Many of their leading members found themselves targeted by the Mufti's assassins. The Dervishes still voluntarily enlist in the IDF today, as do many other Arab Israelis.

No member of any other religion living in Israel, no Christians, no Buddhists, no Zoroastrians, no Samaritans have faced state sponsored persecution in modern Israel. All have been persecuted and chased out of Arab countries, including Arab Christians pursuant to state sponsored actions.

So about the order for the Arabs to leave.

Got a source for that?

Not being a dick, but the part where some order went out for the native Arabs to leave over the radio had been debunked. All radio transmissions were recorded and no such "order" was issued.

Those people were fleeing the fighting, as everybody does when states go to war.

Israel itself has sort of acknowledged this. Teaches some of the "new historians'" findings in high school.

And various writings of islraeli leaders of the time make it clear that the very thing the native Arabs suspected all along was indeed the ultimate plan. That all of eretz Israel would eventually be the Jewish homeland. That the partition was a first step in that process.

Lots of people who had been paying rents/tribute to whoever happened to rule the area for generations lost their homes in this process. Through no fault of their own.

OldFatGuy · Dec 28, 2017

Glen Contrarian said:
Does that mean we should stop trying to cure world hunger, stop trying to cure AIDS, and stop trying to find World Peace? Part of leadership is doing what needs to be done even if some people hate you for it.

Perhaps. More than 5,000 years of conflict in the region and yet outsiders audaciously claim they can provide solutions leading to peace. ROFL

UNESCO and WHO have issued a multitude of reports during the last 20 years claiming worldwide hunger is either the result of wars or a misnomer for bad sanitation. Both have clearly stated problems of malnutrition are almost always caused by practices of poor sanitation. That more than sufficient amounts of food exist and are distributed in the areas of great malnutrition and no local wars. That poor sanitation results in pestilence where human bodies waste their caloric and nutritional intake fighting disease. Both have said world hunger is a myth.

There will always be regional wars, and we see how active the UN has been in Africa, Central and South America. There will always be new budding tyrants waging wars, and again arrogance talks but does not act.

We have scientific evidence AIDs has been with the human species for thousands of years, only recently the HIV virus has mutated to a commonly virulent form. All modern nations are contributing to its control and possible eradication. The burden of doing so is not solely for the US. In fact we should be far more concerned about other STDs now antibiotic resistant, HPV which is incurable, unpreventable and the major cause of cervical and penile cancers, all effecting tens of millions more and killing more than HIV and AIDs. However syphilis, gonorrhea and herpes have not the glory of AIDs.

OldFatGuy · Dec 28, 2017

What if...? said:
So about the order for the Arabs to leave.

Got a source for that?

Not being a dick, but the part where some order went out for the native Arabs to leave over the radio had been debunked. All radio transmissions were recorded and no such "order" was issued.

Those people were fleeing the fighting, as everybody does when states go to war.

Israel itself has sort of acknowledged this. Teaches some of the "new historians'" findings in high school.

And various writings of islraeli leaders of the time make it clear that the very thing the native Arabs suspected all along was indeed the ultimate plan. That all of eretz Israel would eventually be the Jewish homeland. That the partition was a first step in that process.

Lots of people who had been paying rents/tribute to whoever happened to rule the area for generations lost their homes in this process. Through no fault of their own.

The Grand Mufti rarely used the radio. He used his clerics to spread his words in the tradition of Islam. However, I do have many links to his words, in his own handwriting, but I won't post them so you can claim Jewish propaganda.

Instead I give you this: https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/

Tell me it is more Jewish propaganda. Hitler's muslim brigades fought against American troops during WWII, and that war has not ceased in the eyes of Arabs. We weren't in Israel but we were labeled the Great Satan in 1943.

You can shovel your own manure.