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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I agree.

    Jerusalem was founded by the Jews
    Bull****.. The Jebusites, a Canaanite tribe were there before the Jews conquered the city/town.
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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Bull****.. The Jebusites, a Canaanite tribe were there before the Jews conquered the city/town.
    And the Assyrians took it over from the Jews, then along came the Romans, etc, etc.

    Jerusalem has existed for 4,000 years and Israel has had legal ownership of it for around 300 of those 4,000 years.

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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    And the Assyrians took it over from the Jews, then along came the Romans, etc, etc.

    Jerusalem has existed for 4,000 years and Israel has had legal ownership of it for around 300 of those 4,000 years.
    And the Turks had ownership of it for far longer than that..
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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement[W:25]

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    ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Ahead of Trump's pronouncement, close U.S. allies such as Britain, France and Germany had criticized him and questioned the wisdom of such a move. German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel said Tuesday that the pursuit of such policies by the Trump administration is why traditional U.S.-European ties have started to “crumble.”

    “We all know the far-reaching impact this move would have,” Gabriel said. “Germany’s position on this issue remains unchanged: A solution to the Jerusalem problem can only be found through direct negotiations between both parties. Everything which worsens the crisis is counterproductive.”

    In Russia, the Kremlin also joined the list of nations fearing that such a move will exacerbate tensions between Israel and Palestinians, saying that the situation could worsen as a result. It was one of the few times a Kremlin foreign policy goal has converged with that of most NATO member states.Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said the U.S. plan is “unlawful” and could have “irreversible consequences” in the region.


    So, looks like Trump managed to unite the whole damn world against us this time.

    I can't think of anything more likely to cause attacks than recognizing Jerusalem as the capitol or Israel.The only group that will happy with this is religious fanatics - including evangelicals around the world and right wing Israelis. I can't think of any group in the US who benefits by this other than the 'end is nigh' crowd pushing for the 3rd temple. What possible reason could he have for making this decision?

    Right now I am betting a reversal will come - because this is ridiculous.
    It's almost like Trump wants to turn the world against us. Putin's dream come true.

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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Still blowing more stuff out of proportion I see.

    Why is it that people get up in a damn tizzy whenever he does anything?
    Because in his ignorance and arrogance he continues to do incredibly stupid things. There was nothing to gain by this move; and much to lose. In terms of brokering middle-east peace, he has shown himself to have no negotiation skill whatsoever.
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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Because in his ignorance and arrogance he continues to do incredibly stupid things. There was nothing to gain by this move; and much to lose. In terms of brokering middle-east peace, he has shown himself to have no negotiation skill whatsoever.
    I think Trump made the move simply to throw read meat to end times Christians in the U.S. Some of their blogs crashed from overload when this news broke.

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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement[W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus View Post
    ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Ahead of Trump's pronouncement, close U.S. allies such as Britain, France and Germany had criticized him and questioned the wisdom of such a move. German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel said Tuesday that the pursuit of such policies by the Trump administration is why traditional U.S.-European ties have started to “crumble.”

    “We all know the far-reaching impact this move would have,” Gabriel said. “Germany’s position on this issue remains unchanged: A solution to the Jerusalem problem can only be found through direct negotiations between both parties. Everything which worsens the crisis is counterproductive.”

    In Russia, the Kremlin also joined the list of nations fearing that such a move will exacerbate tensions between Israel and Palestinians, saying that the situation could worsen as a result. It was one of the few times a Kremlin foreign policy goal has converged with that of most NATO member states.Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said the U.S. plan is “unlawful” and could have “irreversible consequences” in the region.


    So, looks like Trump managed to unite the whole damn world against us this time.

    I can't think of anything more likely to cause attacks than recognizing Jerusalem as the capitol or Israel.The only group that will happy with this is religious fanatics - including evangelicals around the world and right wing Israelis. I can't think of any group in the US who benefits by this other than the 'end is nigh' crowd pushing for the 3rd temple. What possible reason could he have for making this decision?

    Right now I am betting a reversal will come - because this is ridiculous.
    And this from the clowns who thought the Iran deal was a good idea, thought invading Libya was a good idea, enabled ISIS in Syria, etc? And a good measure of nonsense from the Islamist Turkish dictator too?

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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus View Post
    Yeah - it comes from both sides of the spectrum



    It's the holy city for 3 different faiths (actually more) - and while there have been Jews there all along there have also been Christians and Muslims.




    Learn some history - WWI was against the Ottoman Empire. It was split into separate protectorates by Europe.

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    Syria became an independent nation in 1946. Transjordan was also created exactly 2 years before Israel.It was meant to be a Palestinian state, and has a population over 90% Palestinian. The Hashemites took over, kicked all the protestors out into the West Bank - and then gave the West Bank to Israel. Jerusalem was split between Transjordan and Israel in 1948. Everything going on there is rebound from WWI.



    If you ask an American they all believe Trump is....fill in the blank. There are huge differences of opinion in Israel just like there are in the US.
    But the fact remains that the Israelis grabbed the city from the Jordanians. You randomly bringing up the First World War is rather odd, especially when you suddenly jump to 1946, and....don't actually manage to refute anything I said.

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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    But the fact remains that the Israelis grabbed the city from the Jordanians. You randomly bringing up the First World War is rather odd, especially when you suddenly jump to 1946, and....don't actually manage to refute anything I said.
    Grabbed?

    Seriously? So the Jordanians were illegally occupying it and used it to launch attacks against Israelis living in Israel and declared they were joining the war effort to destroy Israel completely (which the Jordanians believed was going very well) but it was a "grab" by Israel.

    The rank double standards and hypocrisy when it comes to anything and everything Israel has ever done is more of an indictment of the entire anti-Israel movement and group of supporters than you recognize.

    And to tie back to the thread, the failure of other western governments to support this move just shows how deeply ingrained this nonsense is and how broken politics has become when it comes to Israeli issues.

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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Religious?
    As far as it upsets you the Jewish people exist and have existed in Jerusalem for 3,000 years. It is their historical capital. The place where they were born as a people. Jerusalem has been liberated from the Jordanians, not "stolen".
    Yep, and there were people living there long before King David showed up. Israel has always used religion to justify expansion. Considering the fact that there was an Israel before King David sacked the city and made it the new capital, to argue that Judaism was "born" there seems rather odd. It was where the Jews set up their various major religious facilities, but if you trust the Okd Testament as any sort of source the Jews were pissing off God about something or other about every other week, so.....

    The fact remains that nobody was complaining about the way the Jordanians were running things; liberation thus is not really the right term.

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