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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Israel occupied land it had no right to and directly caused another war, one which they came very close to losing, because of it. That "defensive occupation" didn't stand all that well against the Egyptians in 1973 now did it buddy. The fact remains that if Israel hadn't been so bent on constant land grabs, well, maybe there's no Yom Kippur War. Instead, Israeli overconfidence and arrogance nearly lead to their own destruction. Hmm.....where have we heard of that before?

    More hysterical nonsense from you.
    It's extremely idiotic to refer to the act of seizing the Sinai as a wrong move on Israel's side that "led" to the war in 1973 and almost "led" to its destruction. What led to the war in 1973 was the willingness to have Israel destroyed, the same thing that led to the wars in 1967 and 1948.

    It takes a very special mindset to convince oneself of such twisted "facts" and one must really be driven by a strong willingness to stand with evil to deny history in such way and embrace ignorance deliberately and at this point it's obvious it's deliberate and that you don't truly believe any of that nonsense you're promoting. Hell, you're calling Israel's acts "land grabs" when you still claim that Jordan taking a land that isn't theirs is alright. You're literally calling something that you believe to be right, wrong. Twisted.
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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Except you absolutely do, despite the fact that you consider all Arabs to be nothing more than "barbarians." Which makes your claims that the Jordanians are "evil" a total nonstarter. You starting to figure reality out buddy?

    Yes, your failing is both dumb, laughable and pathetic. Glad to see you accept that.

    I've repeatedly spelled it out for you multiple times. Too bad you don't possess the mental backbone to comprehend it.
    This post is truly the perfect definition of a meaningless, nonsensical post. There's nothing in it that actually replies to anything in the post it is supposedly replying to. You're failing at the basics of arguing at this point.
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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    When a country uses tactics that only strengthen said terrorist group(i.e. air strikes into one of the most densely populated regions in the area) then that's a serious problem, and burying your head in the sand because "it's only "barbarian" civilians being killed" does not send a good message.

    That reminds me..... when, exactly, is Israel going to join the fight against ISIS? Seems like all you've done is sit on the sidelines and watch, and vaguely mention something about "lending Egypt a hand". Which, of course, seems odd indeed.......unless, of course, having Syria and Iraq embroiled in chaos is more important to you than any old nasty terrorist group. Cynical, I know, but.....

    And no, buddy, blasting random bystanders does not defend Jews in any way, shape, or form. All it does is ensure the terrorist groups will remain strong.

    You aren't very good at drawing conclusions buddy.
    I am actually very good at that. The only conclusion from the position that Jews must not defend themselves when targeted for murder is that one believes they must die. No one expects a confession but don't expect zero confrontation for such vile position either.
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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement[W:25]

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus View Post
    ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Ahead of Trump's pronouncement, close U.S. allies such as Britain, France and Germany had criticized him and questioned the wisdom of such a move. German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel said Tuesday that the pursuit of such policies by the Trump administration is why traditional U.S.-European ties have started to “crumble.”

    “We all know the far-reaching impact this move would have,” Gabriel said. “Germany’s position on this issue remains unchanged: A solution to the Jerusalem problem can only be found through direct negotiations between both parties. Everything which worsens the crisis is counterproductive.”

    In Russia, the Kremlin also joined the list of nations fearing that such a move will exacerbate tensions between Israel and Palestinians, saying that the situation could worsen as a result. It was one of the few times a Kremlin foreign policy goal has converged with that of most NATO member states.Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said the U.S. plan is “unlawful” and could have “irreversible consequences” in the region.


    So, looks like Trump managed to unite the whole damn world against us this time.

    I can't think of anything more likely to cause attacks than recognizing Jerusalem as the capitol or Israel.The only group that will happy with this is religious fanatics - including evangelicals around the world and right wing Israelis. I can't think of any group in the US who benefits by this other than the 'end is nigh' crowd pushing for the 3rd temple. What possible reason could he have for making this decision?

    Right now I am betting a reversal will come - because this is ridiculous.
    The fact that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and the fact that the US will locate their embassy in that capital should have no effect on whether peace negotiation will take place or not. The negotiations are solely dependent upon the two sides WANTING to negotiate.

    Now...if one side wants to raise a ruckus and start violence because the US is locating their embassy in the Israeli capital, then the Israelis will need to deal with that violence. I suggest they deal with it harshly.

    What I find pathetic is that other, so-called democratic countries are willing to roll over because one side in the conflict might get upset and start trying to kill people because the US is making this move. That is akin to negotiating with hostage takers. It indicates those countries are weak.
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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Would you rather Hamas has free reign to launch daily ACTS OF WAR at the civilians of Israel?
    Apparently yes that's exactly what he's been arguing for. All this nonsense about "it serves the terrorists" (no it doesn't) and "it creates civilian casualties" (the terrorists create them) is merely a diversion from that position.
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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Your opinion that something "lost its legitimacy" lacks a basis in fact

    Also, the board didn't show my link when I tried posting it three times previously, but hopefully this will straighten things out
    Nope. It didn't.

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    Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    No, I am saying that fantasizing that you are the "original inhabitants" is not correct.
    Fantasizing? how are we fantasizing? Jews were the majority in Jerusalem almost thought the entire civilized history, long before first Zionist "fantasizers" came here.

    And "assimilated" is a rather kind interpretation.....barring a source saying explicitly otherwise, and given the vehemence of the Old Testament in arguing against any sort of "assimilation" with other societies, I'd say "all dead" is a more likely result
    Well if they are all dead surely the Hebrews have the earliest claim to the land, hence Jerusalem was liberated.
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