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US Embassy Location in Israel [W:52]

Fishking said:
Does that reflect poorly on the US or on the Middle East?
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Considering the fact that the UN and no other country in the world accepts Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and doing so will horrify and alienate all of our allies, it obviously reflects badly on the US, and reveals a sudden vacuum in a US foreign policy that has been clearly established worldwide for more than half a century.
 
Fishking said:
It benefits no one only if you don't count Jews as real people. It's OK. It's not an uncommon thing to do. For those that do, it's reinforces the legitimacy of Israel, a state that is surrounded by countries that don't acknowledge it's existence.
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Moderator's Warning:
Cut the baiting out or you will be removed from the thread at the very least.
 
Another campaign promised deliver on if this is true which it seems to be the case. An elected official at the head of state/government level keeping their campaign promises?! Now I have seen everything.

MAGA, MAGA, MAGA! Go Trump Go.


About time the true capital of Israel is recognized!.....now to get rid of the phony Palestinian squatters!
 
Jetboogieman said:
Don't you ****ing dare put words in my mouth.
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I merely pointed out the flaw in your statement. If you don't like it, then rethink your statement.
 
Serenity said:
. Increasing hostilities and tensions in the region is not a benefit from where I sit.
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Anything Non Islam increases hostilities and tensions in the region! Jews Christians a Bible etc etc


Anything they dont like or agree with ....they kill
 
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Serenity said:
Trumps announcement is a move that will break from 50 years of US Foreign Policy. I've already stated that there is almost no other issue as contentious as the future of Jerusalem, it's been the main source of contention and division between the two peoples for decades. What possible good can there be in raising tensions unnecessarily for no immediate practical purpose Digsbe?

President Trumps determination to antagonize as many nations and people as humanly possible whilst he retains the status of President where there is not an immediate PRACTICAL PURPOSE is not an acceptable answer.
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It should not have been the US policy for the past 50 years. Moving forward negotiations need to be firm that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and that foreign nations should recognize it as such. Peace and a final solution, which includes Jerusalem being the Israeli capital, will require tensions to be raised. Things have not been working for decades, and this is a step that eventually needed to be made and a mistake to be corrected.
 
Trump did promise to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel during his election campaign. This is yet another promise he's actually moving to fulfill - just like so many other of his campaign promises that are causing heartburn to his opponents.

One thing's for sure - the guy certainly has backbone - he's no shrinking violet, that's for sure.
He's got guts.

Hopefully the other side will take a hard look at themselves, and learn that violence doesn't pay.
 
Sure an embassy in Jerusalem is a great idea. I mean with North Korea on brink why wouldn’t you want to anger the entire Arab world over what is a futile gesture...
 
A long overdue decision.

It is interesting to see so many egocentric opinions expressing a desire for peace, after more than 5000 years of conflict. As if your opinions matter to those who live in Israel.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
This is a good idea, for once. Put pressure on the Palestinians to make a deal (their threats to kill the "peace process" which is non-existent is laughable) with a reality-based approach to things. W est Jerusalem is Israeli and has been since 1948. There is zero justification for not recognizing it as Israel's capitol other than fear of rejectionist violence from the Arab world. Of course, we know what happens when you don't stand up to bullies. The Palestinians need to recognize their actions have consequences. This law was passed in the 90s to put Arafat's feat to the fire with respect to his rejectionism. He continued to be a rejectionist terrorist but yet the presidents and various international players thought consequences for his bad behaviour were problematic. They were wrong, now it is time for the Palestinians to see the consequences of their failures, terrorism and rejectionism.

Interestingly enough, we are starting to see the outlines of an actual solution to the conflict now that the Euros and various Palestinian apologists are not running the show and forcing the Palestinians up trees they can't climb down:

Column One: A credible peace plan, at last - Opinion - Jerusalem Post
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Jerusalem is not and has never been Israeli since the state of Israel was created. Stealing something does not make it yours.
 
sanman said:
Trump did promise to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel during his election campaign. This is yet another promise he's actually moving to fulfill - just like so many other of his campaign promises that are causing heartburn to his opponents.

One thing's for sure - the guy certainly has backbone - he's no shrinking violet, that's for sure.
He's got guts.

Hopefully the other side will take a hard look at themselves, and learn that violence doesn't pay.
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For Israel, violence has certainly paid.
 
Fishking said:
So having our embassy in the Jewish capitol city of the Jewish state of Israel is wrong how?
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Tel Aviv is the capitol city of Israel. Jerusalem is not legally part of Israel. They stole it.
 
Crovax said:
That’s not a thing
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So we hanged all those German and Japanese war criminals for nothing? All our treaties involving international law are invalid? Wasn’t the state of Israel created through international legal action? Seems like a thing.
 
Fishking said:
So having our embassy in the Jewish capitol city of the Jewish state of Israel is wrong how?
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because its not their city their presence is illegal their and its just going to bite them in the ass some day when they are not in a position of strength

my ancestors did not come from north america its still not right for me to try and take over any part of Europe
 
digsbe said:
Because Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The fact that such things are tolerated to avoid "tensions" is unprecedented in my opinion. I think it's outrageous that nations put their embassies in a city other than the nations capital because another nation (Palestine) seemingly would not like that. Going forward with peace talks and negotiations the international stance should be that Jerusalem is Israel and is the capital of the nation of Israel. Going forward the mantra proposed to the Palestinian government is that they will need to make major concessions and issues surrounding Jerusalem will be that it is the seat of government and capital for the nation of Israel.
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you should not make illegally occupied land your capital
 
Aristaeus said:
For Israel, violence has certainly paid.
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Violence against Israel has indeed ended up being to that country's advantage. Every attempt by Arabs to destroy Israel have failed and most have resulted in Israel expanding the territory that it holds.
 
Nickyjo said:
So we hanged all those German and Japanese war criminals for nothing? All our treaties involving international law are invalid? Wasn’t the state of Israel created through international legal action? Seems like a thing.
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The US was a party to all that. The US now not a party to international law so not only does it not apply to the US but its power is nonexistent. It like if all your kids got together and made it a law that you could eat ice cream. How much validity would that law have?
 
Fishking said:
Does that reflect poorly on the US or on the Middle East?
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It reflects badly on the Islamic world as a whole, not just the Near East. Their idea of 'peace' is the destruction of Israel.
 
volsrock wrote:

About time the true capital of Israel is recognized!.....now to get rid of the phony Palestinian squatters!
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And digsbe wrote:

Peace and a final solution, which includes Jerusalem being the Israeli capital, will require tensions to be raised.
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Hmm, some interesting word and phrase choices going on here. Maybe I'm too tired on a sleepless night or maybe there's more afoot here. Really poor choices of words or is this evidence that there is another agenda going by some in this thread?

volsrock, how do you propose to remove "the phony Palestinian squatters" from their homes when their families have lived there in Jerusalem for generations before there was a state of Israel?

Digsbe, "final solution" and "will require tensions to be raised"? Really? Have you thought this through to its natural and bloody conclusion or did you just choose your words and phrases poorly?

Geez guys, you need to be a little more empathetic or to choose your words more carefully. Anti-Semitic or anti-semantic, which is it?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Sweden said:
Violence against Israel has indeed ended up being to that country's advantage. Every attempt by Arabs to destroy Israel have failed and most have resulted in Israel expanding the territory that it holds.
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Which is illegal under international law.
 
sanman said:
Trump did promise to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel during his election campaign. This is yet another promise he's actually moving to fulfill - just like so many other of his campaign promises that are causing heartburn to his opponents.

One thing's for sure - the guy certainly has backbone - he's no shrinking violet, that's for sure.
He's got guts.

Hopefully the other side will take a hard look at themselves, and learn that violence doesn't pay.
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You missed some slobber on your lips.........
 
Rexedgar said:
You missed some slobber on your lips.........
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But what do you think about Schumer? He's one of your Democrat honchos, right?
Do you feel surprised by his position -- were you previously aware of it?
I'm imagining that you'll still support him, right - because this isn't some new position that he's suddenly adopted just now.
Aren't you glad that he's fulfilling one of his campaign promises for a change?
 
sanman said:
But what do you think about Schumer? He's one of your Democrat honchos, right?
Do you feel surprised by his position -- were you previously aware of it?
I'm imagining that you'll still support him, right - because this isn't some new position that he's suddenly adopted just now.
Aren't you glad that he's fulfilling one of his campaign promises for a change?
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No fan of many of both stripes! With all the other flash fires burning, this just seems to be a diversion! “Oh, look over here!”
Given the recent Jewish history, one might think that their relations with the Palestinians would be better! I know there is blame on both side.........”but I’m sure there are some fine people as well!”
 
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