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US Embassy Location in Israel [W:52]

That’s not a thing

A handful of nations have a Consulate General office in Jerusalem, but no nation in the world has its Israel Embassy located in Jerusalem.
 
I am for it as Long as Donnie Lump is sent there
 
The Israelis have been even less helpful with all their new settlements so we should reward them? The only pressure that would allow a settlement must be on BOTH sides. I see nothing that would entice Israel to do anything but annex more land from the Palestinians.

Yeah...totally unhelpful and unreasonable for Israel to stop trying to limit themselves to a very small territory and not have any buffers after having fought and won multiple wars that attempt to kill every last one of them. What jerks!
 
Yeah...totally unhelpful and unreasonable for Israel to stop trying to limit themselves to a very small territory and not have any buffers after having fought and won multiple wars that attempt to kill every last one of them. What jerks!

Right, Why bother adhering any agreements with their neighbors when they can just take what they want from them. I'm sure that won't cause any ill will and if it does ...tough.
 
So having our embassy in the Jewish capitol city of the Jewish state of Israel is wrong how?

As long as Israel keeps East Jerusalem as their capital and West Jerusalem can be the Palestinian capital it will be fine.
 
Right, Why bother adhering any agreements with their neighbors when they can just take what they want from them. I'm sure that won't cause any ill will and if it does ...tough.

"Neighbors" is an interesting word to use for a bunch of people who tried to kill every last one of you, multiple times, and then deny your very existence after having lost. To me, it seems like "enemy" would be a more appropriate term. But, hey...to each their own.
 
The President is going out of his way to raise tensions unnecessarily for no immediate practical purpose. What could possibly be good about that?

Because Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The fact that such things are tolerated to avoid "tensions" is unprecedented in my opinion. I think it's outrageous that nations put their embassies in a city other than the nations capital because another nation (Palestine) seemingly would not like that. Going forward with peace talks and negotiations the international stance should be that Jerusalem is Israel and is the capital of the nation of Israel. Going forward the mantra proposed to the Palestinian government is that they will need to make major concessions and issues surrounding Jerusalem will be that it is the seat of government and capital for the nation of Israel.
 
What could possibly go wrong with this decision?
 
Because Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The fact that such things are tolerated to avoid "tensions" is unprecedented in my opinion. I think it's outrageous that nations put their embassies in a city other than the nations capital because another nation (Palestine) seemingly would not like that. Going forward with peace talks and negotiations the international stance should be that Jerusalem is Israel and is the capital of the nation of Israel. Going forward the mantra proposed to the Palestinian government is that they will need to make major concessions and issues surrounding Jerusalem will be that it is the seat of government and capital for the nation of Israel.

Trumps announcement is a move that will break from 50 years of US Foreign Policy. I've already stated that there is almost no other issue as contentious as the future of Jerusalem, it's been the main source of contention and division between the two peoples for decades. What possible good can there be in raising tensions unnecessarily for no immediate practical purpose Digsbe?

President Trumps determination to antagonize as many nations and people as humanly possible whilst he retains the status of President where there is not an immediate PRACTICAL PURPOSE is not an acceptable answer.
 
If we are going to recognize Israel as a country, it's the business of no one what they or we do within their boundaries.
 
This is breaking news:

Trump expected to declare Jerusalem capital of Israel ABC, Dec 5, 2017

In what would be a momentous shift of United States foreign policy in the Middle East, President Donald Trump is expected to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel on Wednesday and initiate the process of relocating the U.S. embassy to the city from Tel Aviv, two U.S. officials and a source close to the White House confirmed to ABC News.
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Really, really bad idea.

Reminds me of Trump's question: "What do you have to lose?"
 
Trumps announcement is a move that will break from 50 years of US Foreign Policy. I've already stated that there is almost no other issue as contentious as the future of Jerusalem, it's been the main source of contention and division between the two peoples for decades. What possible good can there be in raising tensions unnecessarily for no immediate practical purpose Digsbe?

President Trumps determination to antagonize as many nations and people as humanly possible whilst he retains the status of President where there is not an immediate PRACTICAL PURPOSE is not an acceptable answer.

Well, you know, what we have been doing has not been working out so hot, so maybe I am fine with a change.....
 
Well, you know, what we have been doing has not been working out so hot, so maybe I am fine with a change.....

A change that even those with the most basic understanding of the I/P conflict understands the negative affect it will have, for all of the people there. All for no practical purpose. How can anyone actually be ok with that?
 
Well, you know, what we have been doing has not been working out so hot, so maybe I am fine with a change.....

You know Hawkeye, at the end of the day, even remotely suggesting that something like this would work towards any kind of peaceful resolution between the two parties, is as nuts as suggesting that the Palestinians should be granted "right of return" because you know, what we have been doing has not been working out so hot so lets try that. Madness. Not sustainable, not a solution.
 
A change that even those with the most basic understanding of the I/P conflict understands the negative affect it will have, for all of the people there. All for no practical purpose. How can anyone actually be ok with that?

There is going to be rage on the streets. That is certain. How much rage, how many streets, and the countries in which those streets are located is the real question. There will be consequences throughout the ME. We can only watch, stone-faced and shell-shocked, to see if blood is shed over this, how much blood, and whose blood. I fear for all of our American embassies and consulates in the entire region.

One thing is almost assured; for better or worse, the ramifications of this move will reverberate for years.
 
A change that even those with the most basic understanding of the I/P conflict understands the negative affect it will have, for all of the people there. All for no practical purpose. How can anyone actually be ok with that?

Because Iran has been pretty frisky towards Israel and the Saudis not very helpful... maybe we send a message that Israel will not be rubbed off the Earth, here we stand....least there be any doubts.

I am still thinking.....
 
There is going to be rage on the streets. That is certain. How much rage, how many streets, and the countries in which those streets are located is the real question. There will be consequences throughout the ME. We can only watch, stone-faced and shell-shocked, to see if blood is shed over this, how much blood, and whose blood. I fear for all of our American embassies and consulates in the entire region.

One thing is almost assured; for better or worse, the ramifications of this move will reverberate for years.

And the worst part is, this was done to benefit no one.

There is no way with Trump, this is being done with any actual larger foreign policy strategy or benefits to the United States in mind, this is being done purely to stick it to someone, who exactly, hey maybe he'll make that clear in a tweet I don't know but it's the same nonsense as when he had that phonecall with the Taiwanese President.

No actual thought, zero understanding of the ramifactions of the call and ultimately wasn't actually done despite all his supporters excuses with any actual foreign policy meaning or strategy behind it.
 
There is going to be rage on the streets. That is certain. How much rage, how many streets, and the countries in which those streets are located is the real question. There will be consequences throughout the ME. We can only watch, stone-faced and shell-shocked, to see if blood is shed over this, how much blood, and whose blood. I fear for all of our American embassies and consulates in the entire region.

One thing is almost assured; for better or worse, the ramifications of this move will reverberate for years.

Does that reflect poorly on the US or on the Middle East?
 
And the worst part is, this was done to benefit no one.

There is no way with Trump, this is being done with any actual larger foreign policy strategy or benefits to the United States in mind, this is being done purely to stick it to someone, who exactly, hey maybe he'll make that clear in a tweet I don't know but it's the same nonsense as when he had that phonecall with the Taiwanese President.

No actual thought, zero understanding of the ramifactions of the call and ultimately wasn't actually done despite all his supporters excuses with any actual foreign policy meaning or strategy behind it.

It benefits no one only if you don't count Jews as real people. It's OK. It's not an uncommon thing to do. For those that do, it's reinforces the legitimacy of Israel, a state that is surrounded by countries that don't acknowledge it's existence.
 
It benefits no one only if you don't count Jews as real people. It's OK. It's not an uncommon thing to do. For those that do, it's reinforces the legitimacy of Israel, a state that is surrounded by countries that don't acknowledge it's existence.

Don't you ****ing dare put words in my mouth.
 
If we are going to recognize Israel as a country, it's the business of no one what they or we do within their boundaries.

President Truman announced recognition of the State of Israel sixty nine years ago on May 14th, 1948.

The White house has already come out and stated that the specific boundaries of Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem are still subject to peace talks.

I'll ask anyone to please explain to me how there can possibly be any benefit/upside to announcing this now. Increasing hostilities and tensions in the region is not a benefit from where I sit.
 
And the worst part is, this was done to benefit no one.

There is no way with Trump, this is being done with any actual larger foreign policy strategy or benefits to the United States in mind, this is being done purely to stick it to someone, who exactly, hey maybe he'll make that clear in a tweet I don't know but it's the same nonsense as when he had that phonecall with the Taiwanese President.

No actual thought, zero understanding of the ramifactions of the call and ultimately wasn't actually done despite all his supporters excuses with any actual foreign policy meaning or strategy behind it.

Trump knows Jewish culture up close and personal, over the long haul I think, maybe he knows something that you dont......

Not saying so but let's give this the Full Think Treatment I Think.

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