Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government

Cisero said:

Why was this huge humanitarian project not properly vetted ? Did the Dutch Govt not do its job correctly ?
Regardless, does sound like a dick move. With these kinds of actions, it's hard to look at the Israelian government in a positive light. It's pretty clear Israel officials despise Palestine & will not agree to a 2 state solution. At least not now.

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There is no "there there" when one side believes you have no right to exist, thus everything you try to do is "fruit of the poison tree", so why should the tree give a ****?

Apocalypse said:

It's called bureaucracy. They built without a permit; it does not matter what they were building there and it might as well have been an orphanage for that point - the moment they build without a permit the authorities intervene and the same is true for literally every place in this world. Try building an orphanage in your town just like that with no permit and see if anyone is going to stop you from doing it.

I understand however where you're coming from, you think the authorities there should have ignored the fact that it was built without a permit seeing that it has an economic benefit for the locals.
Hence why I repeat, it's called bureaucracy, the authorities first of all act by the law and later on decide what to do based on logical thinking.
Neither you nor me actually know what happened after the property was seized by the authorities who were just doing their job. We don't know if a permit is to be granted and can't truly discuss that.

We can compare the situation to someone who is driving above the speed limit and getting fined for it, later appealing against it claiming that he was driving his pregnant wife to the hospital.

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Or arbitrarily denied the right to drive at all.

Is your claim that a permit would have been issued if applied for?

Because that's a major complaint.

That "permits" are a scam.

Refuse to issue them then use that refusal to justify demolishing what was needed that was built anyway.

And then issuing permits to Israelis in the same areas.

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Or arbitrarily denied the right to drive at all.

Is your claim that a permit would have been issued if applied for?

Because that's a major complaint.

That "permits" are a scam.

Refuse to issue them then use that refusal to justify demolishing what was needed that was built anyway.

And then issuing permits to Israelis in the same areas.

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As far as we know a permit was not applied for at all.
As long as that is the case how is it relevant to discuss anything other than the fact that this was merely a case of upholding a law? It ain't.

Apocalypse said:

As far as we know a permit was not applied for at all.
As long as that is the case how is it relevant to discuss anything other than the fact that this was merely a case of upholding a law? It ain't.

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Would a permit have been issued?

If not, what's the point of asking for one?

Israel plays **** **** games like this all the time.

Its how they roll.

What if...? said:

Would a permit have been issued?

If not, what's the point of asking for one?

Israel plays **** **** games like this all the time.

Its how they roll.

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Israeli plan to double size of Qalqilya enrages settler leaders | The Times of Israel

Games like this one? Doesn't settle with your theory much I assume.
If you're in the business of baseless accusations that's just fine, however as long as there was no actual request for a building permit there's nothing to discuss here, just the authorities upholding the law just like anywhere else in the world.

RoccoR said:

Re: Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government
※→ CJ 2.0, et al,

There are at least two-sides to ever issue; pertaining to Israel and what is described as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt).

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This is a very strange condition. "CJ 2.0" certainly is correct when he says "Israel should firmly prevent any construction or other funding by the Europeans in areas where the Europeans have not gone through proper channels and secured the required approvals." This of course is the "compliance oriented perspective" and checklist mentality (ticking the boxes - thinking is an activity considered essential to humanity but obviously not employed in this particular action). And this tick-the-box mentality, is a block set of procedures that anyone can read and follow, requires no thought at all, and where employed - but no one can actually articulate why. No one can really articulate the nature of the threat that induced the Israeli to stop the positive infrastructure improvements. What must have the Israelis been thinking was such a threat that it required a raid on the solar farm.

In the interim period where the Israelis and Palestinians are hammering-out the set of conditions that will guide relationship (the Israeli and Palestinians) into the 21st Century, we must (absolutely must) identify and firm-up the links between economic growth and territorial development of whatever comes after the disaster that we call the Middle East.

Israel needs to be building bridges and alliances; not tearing them down. Absent a true security threat, there should have been a much more diplomatic resolution that would grant the necessary approvals and eliminate the Eliot Ness style incursion into Jubbet al-Dhib (hardly a bastion of threats).

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Rocco, I understand your position and agree it doesn't play well. Having said that, we have a very long history now of the Europeans taking steps that make end runs around the law, make peace less likely and antagonize the israelis. In addition to these sorts of unauthorized buildings, the Europeans fund a wide range of "NGOs" whose purpose is to be hostile to any and all Israeli activities and generally seek to undermine the legitimacy of the Israeli government. If the Europeans want to play within the rules they are free to do so. iof not, they should provide the same deference to foreign authorities that they expect domestically. Again, it's unfortunate that the best source on this is a book, but everyone interested in how behaviour like this by the Europeans would generate reactions like this from the Israelis needs to read that book by Tuvia Tenenbom.

Tuvia Tenenbom
Gefen Publishing House, Limited, 2015 - Arab-Israeli conflict - 467 pages
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"Bluntly satirical irresistibly fascinating seductive and engaging." New York Times
Hugely entertaining, terribly funny, sarcastic, engaging, powerful, accusatory, judgmental, good! National Review

A literary sensation. Haaretz

Catch the Jew! recounts the adventures of gonzo journalist Tuvia Tenenbom, who wanders around Israel and the Palestinian Authority for seven months in search of the untold truths in today's Holy Land. With holy chutzpah, Tenenbom boldly goes where no Jew has gone before, at times risking his life as he assumes the identities of Tobi the German and even Abu Ali in order to probe into the many stories in this strange land and poke holes in all of them.
From the self-hating leftists in Tel Aviv to the self-promoting PLO execs in Ramallah, from the black-clad Haredim of Bet Shemesh to the glowing foreign human rights activists in Beit Hanina, from Jewish settlers and the Christians who come from abroad to toil with them to ardent Jerusalem monks and Bedouins in surprisingly glorious shacks, Tenenbom takes on the people of the land, getting to know them and disarming them as he breaks bread and mingles with anyone and everyone.

Does Palestinian wife number one hate the Jews more than she hates wife number two? Who finances cash-rich NGOs pursuing a Judenrein Israel? Who sets Palestinian olive groves on fire and why? What is the emotional gravity that pulls idealistic human rights activists from other countries to Israel and only to Israel? Who are the flaming feminists who sacrifice their lives for the rights of polygamists? Whose land is this, anyway?

By turns poignant, enraging, and laugh-out-loud funny, this unique travelogue lays bare the intensity of this turbulent land in an unprecedented, eye-opening education, person by person, city by city, and meal by meal. You will never look at Israel the same way again.

Re: Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government
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I do not believe your observation is accurate.

Apocalypse said:

This is where you're wrong clearly.
See the example I've given in my previous comment about going above the speed limit and getting fined for it.
You'll always get fined, whether you have a good reason or no reason at all.

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Federal, state, and local (FSL) Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) have a lot of discretion; that is especially true in traffic violations -- a criminal violation (there are lots of warnings issued). The Referrals for prosecution, And State Trail Courts requests and Administrative Hearing by Magistrates (across 50 states) are discretionary. Prosecutors, quite frequently, decline to prosecute in criminal cases (which the Solar Panel Issues is not); and Magistrates discharge an administrative dispute --- under a non-criminal remedy --- arbitration or some mitigating consideration.

However, FSL LEO generally do not get involved in Residential and Commercial Building and Zoning Code violations (Applications, Permits, and Payments) and are normally handled under the a Civil Overvies having jurisdiction and capable of adjudication actions that have been filed. However, the Israelis have (with the Arab Palestinians) elected to use a summary judgment process.

AND FINALLY: The "Rule of Law" (RoL), which I cited in Posting #20, essentially demonstrates that the Israeli Civil Administration violated the standing International Law on the subject matter. In cases where the Government violates the law (as the Israelis have here), most often Rule in favor of the plaintiff (Arab Palestinians); monetary awards, restitution of that which was destroyed, and granting construction authority of non-threatening utilities that better the community. Remembering that the UN Security Council [S/RES 446 (1979)] invoked the International Humanitarian Law (IHL) as outlined in the Geneva Convention of 1949; to which Israel is a signatory.


• Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.
Having said that, I still support the Israeli cause (the protection of the Jewish People and the protection of Israeli Independence and Sovereignty from all aggressors) against the dangerous and destructive influence of Jihadist, Virulent Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters known to be located in the West Bank under the cover of the civilian population and sinister members of the Arab League.

Most Respectfully,
R

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We have to remember to separate:

• Political Agenda
• Rule of Law (RoL)
• Presentation of Peace

There are very few governments (or their officials) that do anything that does not have an agenda associated.

CJ 2.0 said:

Having said that, we have a very long history now of the Europeans taking steps that make end runs around the law, make peace less likely and antagonize the israelis. In addition to these sorts of unauthorized buildings, the Europeans fund a wide range of "NGOs" whose purpose is to be hostile to any and all Israeli activities and generally seek to undermine the legitimacy of the Israeli government.

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In this case, I have to look at the face of the RoL. As you said, you recognize that the face of Israel is warped by the way they present their Civil Administration. That is to be expected, given the limited view of the Territories from the inside-out.

I have to constantly remind myself that the recognizes the existence of a number of latent anti-Semitic entities (governmental and civilian). You must also understand that many Jewish people, like Tuvia Tenenbom (a celebrated Jewish author), find Americans disgusting. According to Tenenbom, we Americans are racist, hateful and self-destructive. Hummm, what is his agenda. Is he really a famous free-lance journalist seeking the truth; OR is Tenenbom intentionally trying to drive a wedge between American and the Jewish People? Is Tenenbom trying to help Palestinians or hurt Israelis by isolating the Jewish State without an ally.

I cannot change your mind about America; I don't want to. And I cannot turn my back on the Century old idea to establish a Jewish State, and extend the protection and preserve a culture in danger still in jeopardy of the wrath in ancient allies. Israel need not attempt to paint a legitimate face on Israel. All it needs is time --- and to last several hundred generations (or so) until such time that the face of the Israeli is unremembered.

Israel is ranked about 19[sup]th[/sup] on the UN Human Development Index (HDI), with no Arab League member event coming close. Qatar (Ranked 33[sup]d[/SUP]) is the next highest Middle Eastern state; followed by:

• Saudi Arabia (Ranked 38[sup]th[/sup]),
• United Arab Emirates (Ranked 42[sup]d[/sup]))
• Kuwait (Ranked 51[sup]st[/sup]))
• Oman (Ranked 52[sup]d[/sup]))
• Jordan (Ranked 86th)
• Egypt (Ranked 111[sup]th[/sup]))
• Palestine (Ranked 114[sup]th[/sup]))

No one in Europe wants Israel to be replaced with an unstable power that will destabilize both commerce and energy supplies form the Levant Basin. To some degree I have to agree with our friend CJ 2.0; but I stand weary and suspicious of a potential parasite. But that would not be to the same extent as that level for the Regional Arabs.


Most Respectfully,
R

Apocalypse said:

This is where you're wrong clearly.
See the example I've given in my previous comment about going above the speed limit and getting fined for it.
You'll always get fined, whether you have a good reason or no reason at all.

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You are assuming the equal application of the law in all cases. This is not the case. See checkpoints for example.

trblmkr said:

You are assuming the equal application of the law in all cases. This is not the case. See checkpoints for example.

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What do checkpoints have to do with building permits though?
Checkpoints are for security reasons, building permits are required everywhere in the world to prevent anarchy.

Apocalypse said:

What do checkpoints have to do with building permits though?
Checkpoints are for security reasons, building permits are required everywhere in the world to prevent anarchy.

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Never mind, waste of time.

trblmkr said:

Never mind, waste of time.

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Oh, more than you know.

RoccoR said:

Re: Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government
※→ CJ 2.0, et al,

There are at least two-sides to ever issue; pertaining to Israel and what is described as the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt).



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This is a very strange condition. "CJ 2.0" certainly is correct when he says "Israel should firmly prevent any construction or other funding by the Europeans in areas where the Europeans have not gone through proper channels and secured the required approvals." This of course is the "compliance oriented perspective" and checklist mentality (ticking the boxes - thinking is an activity considered essential to humanity but obviously not employed in this particular action). And this tick-the-box mentality, is a block set of procedures that anyone can read and follow, requires no thought at all, and where employed - but no one can actually articulate why. No one can really articulate the nature of the threat that induced the Israeli to stop the positive infrastructure improvements. What must have the Israelis been thinking was such a threat that it required a raid on the solar farm.

In the interim period where the Israelis and Palestinians are hammering-out the set of conditions that will guide relationship (the Israeli and Palestinians) into the 21st Century, we must (absolutely must) identify and firm-up the links between economic growth and territorial development of whatever comes after the disaster that we call the Middle East.

Israel needs to be building bridges and alliances; not tearing them down. Absent a true security threat, there should have been a much more diplomatic resolution that would grant the necessary approvals and eliminate the Eliot Ness style incursion into Jubbet al-Dhib (hardly a bastion of threats).

Although it was a legal decision and action on the part of Israeli authorities, it appears to the outside observer that, it was a case of the Israeli authorities performing a proper act in a wrongful or injurious manner. This looks like an act intended to retard the Palestinians from making a peaceful and useful contribution to the energy utility infrastructure. Is that not, at least in part, an objective in turning Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) from violence and toward improvements and productivity.

This Israeli decision is further compounded if the materials confiscated were destroyed.

Normally, I defend the Israelis. I know that given the opportunity to do harms to the State of Israel, the HoAP would not hesitate to take it. But in this case, it seems the Israelis were in the wrong. It does not radiate the confidence, to the outside observer, that the Israelis are not able to handle the more complex decision like those of making progresses towards peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

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Sadly the lack of leadership in Washington is now taking its toll on the Palestinians. This act would have been soundly criticized by any President but Trump. The Israeli's sense the vacuum and are taking full advantage of it.

iguanaman said:

Sadly the lack of leadership in Washington is now taking its toll on the Palestinians. This act would have been soundly criticized by any President but Trump. The Israeli's sense the vacuum and are taking full advantage of it.

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Good. Hopefully the Palestinians can be made to accept defeat and move on to trying to build up their own state rather than destroying the Jews'. The entire problem here is that the international community allows the conflict to fester by propping up the Palestinians and giving them outs when their unreasonable actions and demands and objectives fail to be satisfied.

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※→ CJ 2.0, iguanaman, et al,

The "toll" on the Palestinians has nothing to do with Washington Leadership. The future of the Palestinians is not dependent on America. The Right of Self-Determination for the Palestinians is in their hands; as is the consequences for their actions. For far too long has the Arab Palestinians cried and whined about their plight attempting to blame their predicament on everyone but themselves. The Political, economic, commercial, educational and industrial development rests in the hands of the Arab Palestinians.

IF the Arab Palestinians want to remain ranked 114[sup]th[/sup] on the Human Development Index (HDI) in comparison to Israel, Ranked 19[sup]th[/sup] --- THEN let it be so... Eventually, the Donor Nations of the world will become tired of the parasitic nature of the State of Palestine.

CJ 2.0 said:

iguanaman said:

Sadly the lack of leadership in Washington is now taking its toll on the Palestinians. This act would have been soundly criticized by any President but Trump. The Israeli's sense the vacuum and are taking full advantage of it.

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Good. Hopefully the Palestinians can be made to accept defeat and move on to trying to build up their own state rather than destroying the Jews'. The entire problem here is that the international community allows the conflict to fester by propping up the Palestinians and giving them outs when their unreasonable actions and demands and objectives fail to be satisfied.

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It is not so much as the Arab Palestinians must be "made to accept defeat and move on" --- BUT --- to recognized that the continuation of an armed struggle as the expense of the people is much less important than of the human development of the Palestinians. Growth and Development is paramount.

The idea that, no state has the right to intervene in the internal or external affairs of another (Article 8 Montevideo Convention)(, works in both directions. It is not the case that the "international community allows the conflict to fester;" but rather that the Arab Palestinian, supported by the Arab League, have attempted to use Armed Force in the absence of a political solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

RoccoR said:

of Palestine.
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It is not so much as the Arab Palestinians must be "made to accept defeat and move on" --- BUT --- to recognized that the continuation of an armed struggle as the expense of the people is much less important than of the human development of the Palestinians. Growth and Development is paramount.

The idea that, no state has the right to intervene in the internal or external affairs of another (Article 8 Montevideo Convention)(, works in both directions. It is not the case that the "international community allows the conflict to fester;" but rather that the Arab Palestinian, supported by the Arab League, have attempted to use Armed Force in the absence of a political solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

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But here is what I think is the fundamental disconnect. The objective of the Palestinian National Movement since the beginning has not been and never was independence or the development of civil society or Palestinian culture and society or any of those things. The core, driving purpose of Palestinian nationalism is to act as a counter to zionism. At its core, the Palestinian National Movement is about opposition to Israel, not Palestinian independence.

That is why the Palestinians need to lose and they need to be seen to lose and to be forced to acknowledge they lost - because only then is there any hope of the Palestinians and their leadership abandoning the core component of their national identities and turning to something more productive. They need to lose like the Japanese lost.

Re: Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government
※→ CJ 2.0, et al,

References:

I look at this with a slightly different and alternative perspective. The AHC (both the original and the Egyptian rebuild) held the position that:


The AHC was not truly a Nationalist Movement. Some see themselves as defenders against invaders. Some see themselves as freedom fighters. Some Arab Palestinians considered themselves confronted with a "rebellious Zionist minority."

CJ 2.0 said:

But here is what I think is the fundamental disconnect. The objective of the Palestinian National Movement since the beginning has not been and never was independence or the development of civil society or Palestinian culture and society or any of those things. The core, driving purpose of Palestinian nationalism is to act as a counter to zionism. At its core, the Palestinian National Movement is about opposition to Israel, not Palestinian independence.

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For more than a century, the Arab Palestinians have had a fractured and dysfunctional "National Movement" the entire time. This was largely due to a struggle for power and a very wide swath of incompetence; both organizationally and in goal management. The Arab Palestinians, through the AHC, made it very clear (before the termination of the Mandate) that the "Arabs of Palestine cannot recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom." And this was reaffirmed in both the Palestine National Charter of 1968, and the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)(1988).

CJ 2.0 said:

That is why the Palestinians need to lose and they need to be seen to lose and to be forced to acknowledge they lost - because only then is there any hope of the Palestinians and their leadership abandoning the core component of their national identities and turning to something more productive. They need to lose like the Japanese lost.

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This is the "Will to Fight" argument. It simply is outside the political will of American. IF the US did not reduce the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) to extinction when the Niece of Senator Abraham Ribicoff was killed by Dalal al-Mughrabi, Fatah Jihadist and one-time aid to Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, THEN it is plain to see that the US simply does not have the Political Will to do what is necessary. In March 2010, al-Mughrabi was remembered, commemorated and praised a a symbol of heroism.

Nothing, on the order of the Firebombing Japanese and German major cities would be politically palatable today.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel seems to think it can do as it pleases ... if Europe is serious about dealing with Israel and how it deals with the Palestinians then the only option for the EU is full sanctions on Israel

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OK, I get that you don't care for the Israelis. Yes, and in some form of rationalization you feel that Israel is unfair.

I get it.

Godric1970 said:

Israel seems to think it can do as it pleases ... if Europe is serious about dealing with Israel and how it deals with the Palestinians then the only option for the EU is full sanctions on Israel

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Based on your assessment, you think that the Jewish Nation must be penalized on the basis of and allegation that → "Israel seems to think it can do as it pleases." Is that position any different than the position taken by any other powerfully utilitarian nation. All successful nations work (generally) in their own best interest. So, you want to penalize Israel by using sanctions → as a means of rendering support to the Arab League and in particular the Arab Palestinians. Let me get this straight → you want to hamper and inflict economic pressures upon Israel: the most productive nation in the Middle East, a nation (of minority Jewish constituents) that has given more to the advancement of human development and contributed more (in the last 50 years) to humanity in the form of scientific research than the entire Arab League of 22 nations over the last 500 years. You want to assist the Jihadist, Virulent Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamist, and an assortment of other Asymmetric Fighter. You want to aid and abet the very constituents that killed Gail Rubin, niece of Senator Abraham Ribicoff, D-Connecticut, on a northern Israeli beachfront one morning in 1978, AND the killers of Leon Klinghoffer, a the wheelchair bound American on the Palestinian takeover Cruise Ship - Achille Lauro → and the many many other attacks directed at those of the Jewish Faith (aircraft hijackings, bombing, ambushes and attacks) directly targeted against civilians.

The situation is screwed-up, that is for sure. And in the last 70 years, since the adopting of General Assembly Resolution 181(ii), both sides have made plenty of poor judgments. But it was possible for the Jordanians and Egyptians to make peace with the Israelis; why not the Arab Palestinians? It is not like the olive branch has not been offered may times in that period.

Yes, I think that Israel has improperly or poorly administered the territory formerly under Egyptian and Jordanian control; yes --- they could have done better. But it is easy to criticize from a distance the Israelis in light of the aggravation the Hostile Arab Population has presented --- in their attempt to meet Article 42 and 43 Requirements under the Hague Convention (1907).

Most Respectfully,
R

PeteEU said:

Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government | The Independent



Okay.. but



Why is that?

Is it only the west bank?

Only 7% of Jerusalem building permits go to Palestinian neighborhoods - Israel News - Haaretz.com



Sure smells like something other "problematic" countries have done in history.

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That's not half of it. Israel demolished three Palestinian schools. SCHOOLS.

http://www.wfmz.com/news/israel-demolishes-palestinian-schools-citing-lack-of-permits/613788206

Phys251 said:

That's not half of it. Israel demolished three Palestinian schools. SCHOOLS.

Israel demolishes Palestinian schools, citing lack of permits - WFMZ

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LOL.

I absolutely LOVE the picture that accompanies this piece of trash article, which of course has nothing at all to do with what happened there. It just shows you that all of this is purely part of a propaganda display by the Palestinians and their international enablers.

If the European NGOs wanted to help they could assist in getting permits. You build without permits your building gets removed.

Once again, it's just a catch the Jew merry-go-round for the Europeans. If they want to play that game, I say let them. At some point they may recognize that the money they are wasting thumbing their noses at the Jews could be better spent trying to work within the system for the Palestinians or, better yet, diverted to a more worthy cause that doesn't involve a singular focus on catching Jews.

Carjosse said:

So what is this plight of the Jewish of the people? Israel seems to be doing just fine for itself.

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It's called "hard work".

CJ 2.0 said:

LOL.

I absolutely LOVE the picture that accompanies this piece of trash article, which of course has nothing at all to do with what happened there. It just shows you that all of this is purely part of a propaganda display by the Palestinians and their international enablers.

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Unless the schools were not in fact demolished, your point is completely irrelevant. Yes or no, were the schools demolished days before the start of the school year? Yes or no.

If the European NGOs wanted to help they could assist in getting permits. You build without permits your building gets removed.

Once again, it's just a catch the Jew merry-go-round for the Europeans. If they want to play that game, I say let them. At some point they may recognize that the money they are wasting thumbing their noses at the Jews could be better spent trying to work within the system for the Palestinians or, better yet, diverted to a more worthy cause that doesn't involve a singular focus on catching Jews.

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What the hell is that highlighted phrase supposed to mean??

Phys251 said:

Unless the schools were not in fact demolished, your point is completely irrelevant. Yes or no, were the schools demolished days before the start of the school year? Yes or no.



What the hell is that highlighted phrase supposed to mean??

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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23988809-catch-the-jew

Catch the Jew! recounts the adventures of Tuvia Tenenbom, who wanders around Israel of our time calling himself “Tobi the German.” In the course of numerous interviews Tuvia extracts information, sentiments, hidden theories and delusional visions motivating the miscellany of peoples forming the present-day Holy Land.

Among other things, Tuvia does a great job of getting into what the Europeans are doing with their various "investments" and why they are behaving that way.

All of this is designed for propaganda, not for positive outcomes, so you end up with it being a "successful" propaganda ploy when the Israelis go after something that was done improperly (which they should).

You should read it.

PeteEU said:

Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government | The Independent



Okay.. but



Why is that?

Is it only the west bank?

Only 7% of Jerusalem building permits go to Palestinian neighborhoods - Israel News - Haaretz.com



Sure smells like something other "problematic" countries have done in history.

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Israel is an apartheid terrorist state engaged in ethnic cleansing.