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Kushner Abbas Fiasco [W: 18]


Said as if Abbas is even marginally upstanding......

Kushner and Greenblatt met first with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday and later with Abbas. They asked the Palestinian president to stop paying salaries to some 600 prisoners imprisoned in Israeli jails for murder, a practice Abbas refused to end and subsequently called a “social responsibility.” (The Associated Press reported that a preliminary meeting between Greenblatt and Abbas on Tuesday was “tense” due to Abbas’ refusal to abide by the American request.)

None of this is new. Abbas has made a career of saying “no” to peace prospects.

In 2008, Abbas famously failed to respond to a peace proposal made by then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. In November 2015, Abbas admitted publicly that he rejected Olmert’s offer. He was also identified by former Israeli peace negotiators Tzipi Livni and Michael Herzog as the party most responsible for torpedoing American-sponsored peace talks in 2014.
Week in Review: Abbas Again Defies the White House on Peace; Hamas Is Still Keeping Gaza Down | The Tower

If Trump looks like he could be successful in facilitating peace, and Hamas does not want peace, then reacting angerly to a Trump emissary is what would happen, likely.

Regardless of the talents of said emissary.
 
Kushner knows how to collect rent and capitalize on marrying Don Cheetos daughter.
 
Kushner knows how to collect rent and capitalize on [marrying Don Cheetos daughter.

I must admit that I get a certain joy in knowing those two are stuck with each other. Plastic boy married to plastic surgery mama.
 
All will be revealed when the boychild brings peace to the middle east.

Which we have been working at and failing at for decades....maybe because the people there dont want peace.
 
Which we have been working at and failing at for decades....maybe because the people there dont want peace.

We don't want peace, we've been engaged in destablizing the region for ages; lotsa profit in that for the substantial people.
 
Said as if Abbas is even marginally upstanding......


Week in Review: Abbas Again Defies the White House on Peace; Hamas Is Still Keeping Gaza Down | The Tower

If Trump looks like he could be successful in facilitating peace, and Hamas does not want peace, then reacting angerly to a Trump emissary is what would happen, likely.

Regardless of the talents of said emissary.

That does not make Kushner any better at diplomacy. You think the Israelis want peace? They are taking more Palestinian lands daily and are making ridiculous demands just to sit down and talk. Even Trump had to walk back his support when they started new settlements the minute Trump was elected. They will need to be dragged to the negotiating table if there is any hope of an end to this. Right now the Israelis have all the cards.
 
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Which we have been working at and failing at for decades....maybe because the people there dont want peace.

stop, do not place all of the blame on the israeli government
 
Which we have been working at and failing at for decades....maybe because the people there dont want peace.

The Palestinians don't want peace. They want Israel. It is beyond ridiculous to get involved in this dispute.
 
stop, do not place all of the blame on the israeli government

You are not making sense, I did not say anything on Israel, I said that Abbas sucks and my link makes the argument that Hamas leadership does not want peace and alluded to the PA being corrupt.
 
I guess they'll have to send an adult now.
 
How could anyone have predicted that a 30 year-old trust fund kid with no government or diplomatic experience wouldn't be qualified for this?
 
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stop, do not place all of the blame on the israeli government

• Israeli arms sales to Europe grew from $724M in 2014 to $1.63B in 2015
• Although the size of New Jersey Israel is one of the top 10 arms dealing nations in the world
• Israel produces 60% of all drones worldwide and sells to over 50 countries, at times selling to both sides of a given conflict, and Israel fueled the drones arms race between India and Pakistan

Palestine is an open air weapons testing and crowd control laboratory with Palestinians being used in the development phase; Gaza is a lab of mass destruction. US super bunker busters were supplied to the Israelis in 2014 and investors stock shot up; war is just business after all.

The “War in Terror” has been a boon to the industry, you’ve seen what amounts to advertisement in every “news” outlet, we are being whipped up into a frenzy once again. The industry also pioneers crowd control research on the Palestinians, and Israel is involved in the training of American forces and law enforcement. We see this in the militarization of our own police departments, Ferguson was but one example of how our system is prepping to Palestinianize our own population, and in fact Ferguson now has Israeli developed/sold skunk spray post the Ferguson events, although no incidents have yet been reported of use on American streets. It’s pretty clear that the Israeli occupation style power structure is moving toward the same in America; a warehousing of the poor in a post industrial age with diminishing living wage jobs and privatized for profit prisons complete with a return to convict leasing.

Much of the security monitoring and mass surveillance technologies are also produced in Israel and sold across the globe. “Targeted assassination” was invented in Israel, which Obama was quite fond of. Abu Ghraib torture methods? Israel.

The US and Israel are not allies. The US and Israeli arms dealers are allies, and war is the business they are both in. We are all collateral damage.
 
That does not make Kushner any better at diplomacy. You think the Israelis want peace? They are taking more Palestinian lands daily and are making ridiculous demands just to sit down and talk. Even Trump had to walk back his support when they started new settlements the minute Trump was elected. They will need to be dragged to the negotiating table if there is any hope of an end to this. Right now the Israelis have all the cards.

What "ridiculous demands just to sit down and talk" are those?
Seems like you confused the Palestinian position with the Israeli one.
 
Re: Kushner Abbas Fiasco
※→ justabubba, et al,

Nothing discussed about the relationship between the Israelis and Palestinians is as simple as it sounds; not the military, the geography and territory, the economic, the political, or even societal characteristics.

Just like the hardness of any diamond --- the Israeli-Palestinian dispute is more than a multifaceted and complex issue. There are matters of:

• Strict Compliance and Demands,
• Flexibility out of the Diplomacy,
• Political Dynamics,​

And there are just as many questions posed by the outside observers as there are from the two principles. But we all have to remember, including the two principles (Israel and Palestinians), that the dispute and conflict represents nothing more than the regional Arab Steady-State --- Conflict. It is merely the more encompassing international powers (The Madrid Quartet - United Nations, the United States, the European Union, and Russia) to ensure there is a general situation maintained for the continuation of a dynamic equilibrium (regional Arab Steady-State --- Conflict).

Hawkeye10 said:
Which we have been working at and failing at for decades....maybe because the people there dont want peace.
stop, do not place all of the blame on the israeli government
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Blame? Point in any direction, there is enough blame to spread around to every Politico and Militant that has touch the Middle East for the last 100 years. No one has clean hands. BUT, that is something well beyond repair now.

And herein lays the problem. We think that the political objective should be "Peace." That is clearly Western Thinking; not the logic of the Middle East and Persian Gulf Region. The regional Arab/Muslim Steady-State is "Conflict;" not "Peace." Whether you are part of the current day continuing conflict related to the Sunni And Shia discord, the construct of Kurd Nationalism, the consequence of the Arab Spring in Syria, --- or the Islamic Radicalism of DAESH, there is no real means of solving these problems or dealing with difficult personalities. It is a sociopolitical thermal runaway reaction.

Right now, today, the Region is pretty much in hovering in near equilibrium. It is not Israels fault; although they are not perfect and could have handled some aspects of the political-military-economic situation better, the outcome would not have been so much different as the result-in-progress is today. However, the entire region is sitting squarely on a Political Proximity detonator; an exothermic reaction just waiting to go out of control.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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