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Trump touts Prospects for great mideast peace deal[W:89]

Chomsky said:
You know, you can rant and pontificate all you want, but you can't buck reality:

There will not be an Arab backed single-state solution. There will likely not be *any* solution (under Trump), but you have to learn to draw that conclusion yourself if you won't listen to reason.

All you (and Trump) have here is boisterous rhetoric. Turn it into action, and then maybe we can talk.
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Did you bother to even listen to what Trump said about the Two state solution or just as usual draw your own anti Trump opinions? How can there be a two state solution until the one state recognizes and guarantees Israel's security and right to exist? Some nations have, have the Palestinians?
 
Chomsky said:
No, I'm telling you Trump will be laughed-off the world stage by leaders and other specialists knowing he's full-of-it, if he's announcing a Mid-East deal based-up a single-state Israeli solution!

I'm willing to stand by that.
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Yeah, I keep hearing that bull**** from people like you, now do you think Trump gives a damn about what other countries think? They will get in line just like they did under Reagan or lose a lot of foreign aid and US support. I suggest you pay closer attention to what he said instead of just the leftwing headlines.
 
Chomsky said:
No, I'm telling you Trump will be laughed-off the world stage by leaders and other specialists knowing he's full-of-it, if he's announcing a Mid-East deal based-up a single-state Israeli solution!

I'm willing to stand by that.
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Here is what Trump said and you picked out the part you wanted to believe and ignore the entirety of the statement

Trump professed to be agnostic on the policy. "So I'm looking at two-state or the one-state," Trump said. "I was thinking for a while that the two-state was looking like the easier of the two."

He concluded that the matter is up to Israel and Palestine to decide. "I'm happy with the one they like best," he said.
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Conservative said:
What is great is seeing the two countries together again and talking not being dictated to like Obama did. Israel is our best ally in the region and has been treated like **** showing Obama's incompetence.
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Oh yea! Obama treated Israel like such ****! So ****ty that he gave them a record amount of aid! https://electronicintifada.net/blog...ands-israel-largest-military-aid-deal-history
"The Obama administration has signed a $38 billion military aid pact with Israel in what the State Department boasts is the “single largest pledge of bilateral military assistance in US history.”"
 
The bestest biggliest Middle East deal ever! Bigger than my hands!
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I was being sarcastic....the elite are in such a hurry to paint Trump as a failed President (and hopefully the Little People understand that we are to never try this stunt again) that they have jumped the gun.

With every new day we get fresh evidence that sending Washington a Trump was the right call.
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Sorry, didn't know that.

But by him being erratic and unconvential, you are right in that he just may hit upon some solutions to problems others might not have found or gotten.

Then it becomes: Will his good outweigh his bad?

I'm not optimistic.

But maybe if he gets really beat the hell-up like now, he could become contrite, regroup, surround himself with worthy advisers and take their advice, and develop leadership skills.

It could happen.

But I think only if he gets badly beaten down to a pulp, his ego destroyed, and he only sees one way up. Otherwise, it will likely be Trump as usual.
 
Conservative said:
It is time for the World stage to realize that it isn't going to be business as usual where the US does all the heavy lifting and concessions are made without reciprocity and action. You seem to give a damn about what the world cares when the world doesn't give a damn about anything but their own self interest which is why it is time for us to do the same thing, America first
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What does Israel do to justify the vast amounts of aid and assistance it recieves?
 
spud_meister said:
What does Israel do to justify the vast amounts of aid and assistance it recieves?
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Provides logistical supports and a beacon for the region to see what a democracy looks like. Ever been to Israel? The difference is stark vs. the rest of the Middle East.

Not my President?? stick to your Australian politics them
 
Conservative said:
What is great is seeing the two countries together again and talking not being dictated to like Obama did. Israel is our best ally in the region and has been treated like **** showing Obama's incompetence.
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I have been a strong and very knowledgable Israel supporter ...with+buffer as per Res 242.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...n-242-1967-borders-illegal-even-occupied.html
for Most of the last 15+ years.
2000+ posts worth here.
Of course, they've gone way past even a liberal interpretation of that buffer. So now what?.

And, as someone notes in his sig, There can be NO negotiation about how to divide the Pizza.... while one side is eating it.
 
mbig said:
I have been a strong and very knowledgable Israel supporter ...with+buffer as per Res 242.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...n-242-1967-borders-illegal-even-occupied.html
for Most of the last 15+ years.
2000+ posts worth here.
Of course, they've gone way past even a liberal interpretation of that buffer. So now what?.

And, as someone notes in his sig, There can be NO negotiation about how to divide the Pizza.... while one side is eating it.
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the key is for the Arab people to love their kids more than they hate Israel. Recognize the state o Israel then lines can be drawn for territories. Until that happens, Israel has to protect itself and the way to do that is expand the buffer zone
 
Conservative said:
Provides logistical supports and a beacon for the region to see what a democracy looks like. Ever been to Israel? The difference is stark vs. the rest of the Middle East.

Not my President?? stick to your Australian politics them
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That's not "reciprocity and action". By your logic, India should be getting **** tons of aid too, given the state of the governments around them.
 
Conservative said:
Did you bother to even listen to what Trump said about the Two state solution or just as usual draw your own anti Trump opinions? How can there be a two state solution until the one state recognizes and guarantees Israel's security and right to exist? Some nations have, have the Palestinians?
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Israel is recognized as a country, its' citizens have passports and freedom of movement

The Palestinians have nothing and are persecuted by all & sundry including other Arabs whilst the Israelis continue to steal their land

Boo ******* hoo for Israel
 
Conservative said:
Post 14 shows what Obama truly thought of Israel
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You ****ing kidding me? Your "proof" is that Obama didnt personally greet him out of his ****ing limo when he pulled up to the White House!!!?!? :lamo You are ****ing hysterical
 
Tomjas said:
Israel is recognized as a country, its' citizens have passports and freedom of movement

The Palestinians have nothing and are persecuted by all & sundry including other Arabs whilst the Israelis continue to steal their land

Boo ******* hoo for Israel
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What a bunch of BS and total ignorance of the region and reality
 
Chomsky said:
Good luck on that without a two-state solution.

Trump's dreamin'!
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I was extremely saddened when I saw that he might be abandoning the two state solution. Israel/Palestinian talks are at one of lowest points in history, but technically speaking, there was always the hope that a two state solution could be achieved, and there was always the understanding that it was best and fairest of all possible solutions.

So that's the bad news. The good news Trump would like you to know is that he won an electoral college victory in November:

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Conservative said:
What a bunch of BS and total ignorance of the region and reality
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I lived in the region for more than a decade, have a Jewish wife, ran a JV between an Arab sheikh and an arm of the Israeli government, etc

I know nuthin'

:lamo
 
Conservative said:
https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/02/...-relationship-blames-israel-for-all-problems/
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"Look a **** opinion article that agrees with my points, I better post it to reinforce my opinion!"

I like how even though Obama gave Israel record aid, was the first president to supply Israel with modern bunker busters, increased support for Israel's Iron Dome, etc. But how dare you ever criticise Bibis policies of expanding settlements! Dont you know as President of the United States you must be on your literal hands a knees for Israel and never criticize Israel!? But hey, its not like that guy in your profile picture ever criticized Israel for settlement expansion :lamo

"The US president, George Bush, today criticised the presence of unauthorised settlements in the West Bank in his first press conference inside Israel.
Standing alongside the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, Bush was asked about the settlements. He said: "Outposts, yeah, they ought to go."
The criticisms were a reiteration of statements he made last week that small settlements not authorised by the Israeli government were an "impediment to peace". Their removal is a key part of the revived US "road map".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jan/09/usa.israelandthepalestinians

"PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: I’ve been very clear about Israel has an obligation under the road map. That’s no expansion of settlements. I look forward to continuing to work and dialogue with Israel on this subject." President Bush Warns Israel Against Building New Settlements in the West Bank | PBS NewsHour
 
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Cardinal said:
I was extremely saddened when I saw that he might be abandoning the two state solution. Israel/Palestinian talks are at one of lowest points in history, but technically speaking, there was always the hope that a two state solution could be achieved, and there was always the understanding that it was best and fairest of all possible solutions.

So that's the bad news. The good news Trump would like you to know is that he won an electoral college victory in November:

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:lamo

He's worse than Michele Bachman!
 
Chomsky said:
With the emphasis on "sad" ...
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How professional and statesmanlike of trump to bring up the fake media, how unfair Flynn was treated undercutting Spicer, his election victory, the so-called illegal leaks, and choosing only conservative reporters with cleared questions in front of an Israeli PM with plenty of problems on his home front.
 
tosca1 said:
Obama didn't even have the courtesy to meet him personally when Netanyahu arrived for a visit in 2015.









I'm glad the Trumps rectified that insult. Take note that the Trumps were already out waiting for the car. Look at the red carpet!


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Just to remind everyone of the circumstances: In Netanyahu's visit when Obama was in the whitehouse, Obama had not invited him. He was invited here by Republicans in congress to give a very partisan speech, during a very closely challenged election year in Israel when the challenger candidate there was in agreement with Obama and strongly against what Netanyahu was going to say to congress. It had traditionally been the policy of the US to not seem to be interfering in democratic elections in foreign countries by inviting one candidate and not the other, or seen to be favoring one side vs. the other. Both Netanyahu and the Republicans in congress trashed that very wise policy with this stunt they pulled.

Obama could have, out of spite, invited Netanyahu's challenger to give a talk here as well. But because Obama was a civilized gentleman, he didn't stoop to their level and engage is such petty partisanship. When they go low, we go high.
 
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