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Israel authorises 3,000 more settler homes in West Bank

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Israel has announced the construction of 3,000 settlement homes in the occupied West Bank, the fourth such announcement in the less than two weeks since the inauguration of US President Donald Trump."Defence Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have decided to authorise the construction of 3,000 new housing units in Judea-Samaria," the defence ministry said in a statement on Tuesday, using the term Israel uses for the West Bank, a Palestinian territory it has occupied since 1967.
Since the January 20 inauguration of Trump, Israel has approved the construction of 566 housing units in three settlement areas of occupied East Jerusalem and announced the building of 2,502 more in the West Bank.

On Thursday last week, Israeli officials gave final approval for 153 settler homes in East Jerusalem.
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It seems by each passing day the two-state solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict is stepping closer and closer to being dead.
 
All the more evidence we need that this conflict is going no where, more of yesterday we will see tomorrow... rhetoric, conflict, and continued loss of life.
 
What was that quote someone around here has as their signature?

"We're negotiating how to divide up a pizza while Israel is eating it."

Both sides of this carry a heavy amount of blame, but this is just a flat out provocation by Israel and totally detrimental to peace in the region.
 
reinoe said:
Everyone is snubbing the E.U. left and right. They're a worthless feckless organization. The sooner they disband the sooner this world will become a better place.
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What the hell does this have to do with the EU?!?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Israel authorises 3,000 more settler homes in West Bank

It seems by each passing day the two-state solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict is stepping closer and closer to being dead.
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Since most of the housing construction will take place in Maale Adumim, and its coupled with the removal of untenable outposts like Amona, I support this. It fortifies areas of high population (that frankly need the housing) that will almost certainly be annexed to Israel in any future agreement, and removes problematic pieces deep in Palestinian territory.
 
Bibi is trying to please Bannet and his voters after the evacuation of Amona, that was pretty obvious play.
Anyway I dont think it crucial for the two state solution, we have 1.5 milion Arabs in our country so why Jews can't live under Palestinian authority also?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Israel authorises 3,000 more settler homes in West Bank

It seems by each passing day the two-state solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict is stepping closer and closer to being dead.
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Good for Israel. We need to be getting more farmland in use so that we can feed the starving children. Since you seem to oppose this, you must want to see more children dying of starvation. Why do you hate hate children so much???
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Israel authorises 3,000 more settler homes in West Bank

It seems by each passing day the two-state solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict is stepping closer and closer to being dead.
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Feel like it died a long time ago, if it was ever alive in the first place. The Palestinians could still try to strike a deal, though they once again missed the golden opportunity that was Obama, yet they continue to show absolutely no interest.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
What was that quote someone around here has as their signature?

"We're negotiating how to divide up a pizza while Israel is eating it."

Both sides of this carry a heavy amount of blame, but this is just a flat out provocation by Israel and totally detrimental to peace in the region.
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Why is it detrimental to peace. Never really understood that one. If the Palestinians are prepared to strike a deal, one will be achievable. But since they are not prepared to strike a deal, none of this really impacts on anything.
 
Sherman123 said:
Since most of the housing construction will take place in Maale Adumim, and its coupled with the removal of untenable outposts like Amona, I support this. It fortifies areas of high population (that frankly need the housing) that will almost certainly be annexed to Israel in any future agreement, and removes problematic pieces deep in Palestinian territory.
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Uch. Facts. Pretty sure facts are not really helpful when emoting about how building in settlements is "destroying the 2 state solution" or whatever.

These things are totally ruining the 2 state solution the Palestinians will never agree to because ... through magic I guess ... they will have some sort of impact on the Palestinians' ability to operate a state in any borders that might be agreed to once they give up on the whole death to the Jews thing.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Why is it detrimental to peace. Never really understood that one. If the Palestinians are prepared to strike a deal, one will be achievable. But since they are not prepared to strike a deal, none of this really impacts on anything.
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They are willing to make deals, but they have stipulations Israel isn't willing to agree to and Israel has stipulations the Palestinians aren't willing to agree to. Neither country thinks the other country has a right to exist. Since its inception in 1948, Israel has continued to gobble up more and more Palestinian land. That's the entire point of building settlements on the land, to bolster that claim to it.

You should be able to imagine how you'd feel if a foreign government gave away pieces of your country to start a new nation that then began annexing more and more of your territory.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
, but this is just a flat out provocation by Israel and totally detrimental to peace in the region.
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As the people known as Palestinians are not entitled to that land, no, it is not provocation.


RabidAlpaca said:
Neither country thinks the other country has a right to exist.
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No. Israel wouldn't have offered peace deals had they believed that.


RabidAlpaca said:
You should be able to imagine how you'd feel if a foreign government gave away pieces of your country to start a new nation that then began annexing more and more of your territory.
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False fact. There was no country in existence at that time. Matter of fact, the Jewish people of that geographical area were also Palestinians.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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It seems by each passing day the two-state solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict is stepping closer and closer to being dead.
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It will happen one day...Israel will have no choice.

With the massive birth rate differences between the Palestinians and the Israeli's...eventually the former will outnumber the latter inside Israel. And then Israel will have a choice:

- become the new Apartheid and deny the Palestinians the vote and instantly become the world pariah (and kiss American help goodbye).
- give the Palestinians the vote and that will be the end of the Jewish state of Israel.
- give the Palestinians their own country.

Obviously, they will do the latter and two state solution will be done.

It will happen...no matter how pathetic Israel treats the Palestinians...it WILL happen.

Even ex-Israeli PM Olmert was smart enough to know it.

Olmert: Two-state solution is crucial to Israel as a Jewish and democratic state - Diplomacy and Defense - Haaretz.com
 
DA60 said:
It will happen one day...Israel will have no choice.

With the massive birth rate differences between the Palestinians and the Israeli's...eventually the former will outnumber the latter inside Israel. And then Israel will have a choice:

- become the new Apartheid and deny the Palestinians the vote and instantly become the world pariah (and kiss American help goodbye).
- give the Palestinians the vote and that will be the end of the Jewish state of Israel.
- give the Palestinians their own country.

Obviously, they will do the latter and two state solution will be done.

It will happen...no matter how pathetic Israel treats the Palestinians...it WILL happen.

Even ex-Israeli PM Olmert was smart enough to know it.

Olmert: Two-state solution is crucial to Israel as a Jewish and democratic state - Diplomacy and Defense - Haaretz.com
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Your information is out of date. The demographic tide has shifted in favor of the Jewish population, fueled in large part by the astronomical chasidic and (to a lesser extent) dati leumi birthrate, as Palestinian and Israeli Arab birthrates continue to crater. Arafat's much vaunted weapon has been turned around.

It's altered the dynamics of the demographic discussion. Now the fear is not an Arab majority, a fear that has receded, the fear is an impoverished religious majority.

"Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jewish-baby-boom-alters-israeli-palestinian-dynamic-1468499825
 
Sherman123 said:
Your information is out of date. The demographic tide has shifted in favor of the Jewish population, fueled in large part by the astronomical chasidic and (to a lesser extent) dati leumi birthrate, as Palestinian and Israeli Arab birthrates continue to crater. Arafat's much vaunted weapon has been turned around.

It's altered the dynamics of the demographic discussion. Now the fear is not an Arab majority, a fear that has receded, the fear is an impoverished religious majority.

"Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jewish-baby-boom-alters-israeli-palestinian-dynamic-1468499825
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According to the CIA, your facts are dead wrong.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html

Plus, according to Israel's and the Palestinian's own stats - the crude birth rate in Israel has not budged in 13 years.

And is still miles behind the Palestinian crude birth rate.

http://cbs.gov.il/www/publications/lidot/lidot_all_1.pdf

http://www.pcbs.gov.ps/site/lang__en/881/default.aspx



Your point sounds like right-wing Israeli dribble to me.
 
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Sherman123 said:
Your information is out of date. The demographic tide has shifted in favor of the Jewish population, fueled in large part by the astronomical chasidic and (to a lesser extent) dati leumi birthrate, as Palestinian and Israeli Arab birthrates continue to crater. Arafat's much vaunted weapon has been turned around.

It's altered the dynamics of the demographic discussion. Now the fear is not an Arab majority, a fear that has receded, the fear is an impoverished religious majority.

"Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jewish-baby-boom-alters-israeli-palestinian-dynamic-1468499825
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DA60 said:
According to the CIA, your facts are dead wrong.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html

Plus, according to Israel's and the Palestinian's own stats - the crude birth rate in Israel has not budged in 13 years.

And is still miles behind the Palestinian crude birth rate.

http://cbs.gov.il/www/publications/lidot/lidot_all_1.pdf

http://www.pcbs.gov.ps/site/lang__en/881/default.aspx



Your point sounds like right-wing Israeli dribble to me.
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Also, from the 'Jewish Virtual Library':

'The Jewish population of Israel grew by 1.7%, and the Arab population grew by 2.2%'

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/latest-population-statistics-for-israel


And it appears the basis of the Wall Street Journal's article are stats from the Taub Center, which is clearly a jewish funded, highly biased institution.

The Taub Center was established in 1982 under the leadership and vision of Herbert M. Singer, Henry Taub, and the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, the Center is funded by a permanent endowment created by the Henry and Marilyn Taub Foundation, the Herbert M. and Nell Singer Foundation, Jane and John Colman, the Kolker-Saxon-Hallock Family Foundation, the Milton A. and Roslyn Z. Wolf Family Foundation, and the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee.''

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298294849_Labor_Income_Inequality_Trends_in_Israel


Save your response, I find your anti-Palestinian rhetoric both old and disgusting. I try very hard not to waste my time reading it.

Unlike you and other NeoCons/Trumpbot's apparently, I value both Israeli's and Palestinian's equally.
 
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DA60 said:
Also, from the 'Jewish Virtual Library':

'The Jewish population of Israel grew by 1.7%, and the Arab population grew by 2.2%'

Latest Population Statistics for Israel


And it appears the basis of the Wall Street Journal's article are stats from the Taub Center, which is clearly a jewish funded, highly biased institution.

The Taub Center was established in 1982 under the leadership and vision of Herbert M. Singer, Henry Taub, and the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, the Center is funded by a permanent endowment created by the Henry and Marilyn Taub Foundation, the Herbert M. and Nell Singer Foundation, Jane and John Colman, the Kolker-Saxon-Hallock Family Foundation, the Milton A. and Roslyn Z. Wolf Family Foundation, and the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee.''

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298294849_Labor_Income_Inequality_Trends_in_Israel


Save your response, I find your anti-Palestinian rhetoric both old and disgusting. I try very hard not to waste my time reading it.

Unlike you and other NeoCons/Trumpbot's apparently, I value both Israeli's and Palestinian's equally.
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The total demographic numbers haven't shifted obviously, it's that the trends are heading towards a reversal because of declining Arab birthrate and rising Jewish birthrate. Information that can be pretty easily gleaned from a variety of sources.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Trump Warns Israel: Stop Announcing New Settlements

Wow...
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Nope. It's being seen as a green-light in Jerusalem.

But on closer reading, the statement was a softening of policy from the Obama administration and even that of George W. Bush, because it does not view settlements as an obstacle to peace or rule out their expansion within existing blocs.

"Netanyahu will be happy," a senior Israeli diplomat said in a text message. "Pretty much carte blanche to build as much as we want in existing settlements as long as we don't enlarge their physical acreage. No problem there."

Israel's deputy foreign minister, Tzipi Hotovely from the right-wing of Netanyahu's Likud party, interpreted it in a similar way, saying construction in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want for their own state together with Gaza, would go on unhindered.

"It is also the opinion of the White House that settlements are not an obstacle to peace and, indeed, they have never been an obstacle to peace," she said. "Therefore, the conclusion is that more building is not the problem."
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Israel interprets U.S. settlements statement as green light | Reuters
 
Sherman123 said:
The total demographic numbers haven't shifted obviously, it's that the trends are heading towards a reversal because of declining Arab birthrate and rising Jewish birthrate. Information that can be pretty easily gleaned from a variety of sources.
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Hello? Can you not read?

The 'trend' you refer to comes from only ONE source...the Taub Center - which is a JEWISH FUNDED institution of staggering bias.

Whereas I have posted proof from many sources - including the Israeli government, the Palestinian government AND the CIA that the numbers from the article are wrong.


A little advice pal - if you are going to take the word of bias think tanks over official government statistics from numerous sources - you will not further your cause in the slightest...quite the contrary.


The article headline you quoted is nonsense.

We are done here.


Have a nice day.
 
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DA60 said:
Hello? Can you not read?

The 'trend' you refer to comes from only ONE source...the Taub Center - which is a JEWISH FUNDED institution of staggering bias.

Whereas I have posted proof from many sources - including the Israeli government, the Palestinian government AND the CIA that the numbers from the article are wrong.


A little advice pal - if you are going to take the word of bias think tanks over government statistics - you will not further your cause in the slightest.


The article headline you quoted is nonsense.

We are done here.


Have a nice day.
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Nope.

"At the same time, a demographic transition has occurred among Arab Israelis. As Arab women came to enjoy more equal status and independence over the past decade, fertility plummeted from an average of six children per family to about four today. This fall seems likely to continue. Since 2002, the Arab birthrate has stabilized at about 40,000 per year. The number of Jewish babies, however, steadily rises."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/opinion/israels-looming-demographic-crisis.html

"The fertility rate among Jewish women matches that of Arab women for the first time in Israel’s history, figures released Tuesday show.

The average number of children born to Jewish women was 3.13 in 2015, the same as their Arab counterparts, according to Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics. The stats represent a fall in the Arab fertility rate in Israel and an increase in the rate among Jews."

Jewish and Arab Fertility Rates Equal for the First Time in Israeli History
 
Within Israel there is no possibility for a demographic change. If Israel was to annex the West Bank such scenario will become possible.
 
Sherman123 said:
Nope.

"At the same time, a demographic transition has occurred among Arab Israelis. As Arab women came to enjoy more equal status and independence over the past decade, fertility plummeted from an average of six children per family to about four today. This fall seems likely to continue. Since 2002, the Arab birthrate has stabilized at about 40,000 per year. The number of Jewish babies, however, steadily rises."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/opinion/israels-looming-demographic-crisis.html

"The fertility rate among Jewish women matches that of Arab women for the first time in Israel’s history, figures released Tuesday show.

The average number of children born to Jewish women was 3.13 in 2015, the same as their Arab counterparts, according to Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics. The stats represent a fall in the Arab fertility rate in Israel and an increase in the rate among Jews."

Jewish and Arab Fertility Rates Equal for the First Time in Israeli History
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Oh Gordon Bennett!!!

I am not talking about JUST Israel.

Jews outnumber non-Jews by almost 3:1 in Israel proper. It would take - what - hundreds of years for the non-Jews to catch up in Israel proper even if they were popping out babies FAR faster than the Jews were.

I am talking about Israel AND the the occupied territories (obviously).

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The fertility rate of Arab-Jews and Palestinians is FAR higher than Jewish Israelis...even at the Israeli claimed 3.1 mark.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate


Even former Israeli PM Olmert agrees with me.

Israel risks apartheid-like struggle if two-state solution fails, says Olmert

'Israel's prime minister issued a rare warning yesterday that his nation risked being compared to apartheid-era South Africa if it failed to agree an independent state for the Palestinians. In an interview with the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, Ehud Olmert said Israel was "finished" if it forced the Palestinians into a struggle for equal rights.
If the two-state solution collapsed, he said, Israel would "face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, and as soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished". Israel's supporters abroad would quickly turn against such a state, he said.

"The Jewish organisations, which were our power base in America, will be the first to come out against us because they will say they cannot support a state that does not support democracy and equal voting rights for all its residents," he said.

The Israeli government is usually bitterly resentful of any comparison to the apartheid regime but Olmert's remarks looked like an effort to galvanise support from a sceptical Israeli public for a return to peace negotiations with the Palestinians in the days after the Annapolis conference.

Israel has a 20% Arab minority who are citizens and can vote, although they are frequently discriminated against and are described by some as a "demographic threat". Within a few years the number of Arabs in Israel and the Palestinian territories is expected to equal, and then exceed, the number of Jews in Israel and the settlements. Some Palestinians argue that they should campaign for a so-called one-state solution: equal voting and citizenship rights within a larger country that includes Israel and the occupied territories and in which Palestinians will soon have a majority.'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/30/israel
 
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