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Israel authorises 3,000 more settler homes in West Bank

DA60 said:
Oh Gordon Bennett!!!

I am not talking about JUST Israel.

Jews outnumber non-Jews by almost 3:1 in Israel proper. It would take - what - hundreds of years for the non-Jews to catch up in Israel proper even if they were popping out babies FAR faster than the Jews were.

I am talking about Israel AND the the occupied territories (obviously).

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The fertility rate of Arab-Jews and Palestinians is FAR higher than Jewish Israelis...even at the Israeli claimed 3.1 mark.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate


Even former Israeli PM Olmert agrees with me.

Israel risks apartheid-like struggle if two-state solution fails, says Olmert

'Israel's prime minister issued a rare warning yesterday that his nation risked being compared to apartheid-era South Africa if it failed to agree an independent state for the Palestinians. In an interview with the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, Ehud Olmert said Israel was "finished" if it forced the Palestinians into a struggle for equal rights.
If the two-state solution collapsed, he said, Israel would "face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, and as soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished". Israel's supporters abroad would quickly turn against such a state, he said.

"The Jewish organisations, which were our power base in America, will be the first to come out against us because they will say they cannot support a state that does not support democracy and equal voting rights for all its residents," he said.

The Israeli government is usually bitterly resentful of any comparison to the apartheid regime but Olmert's remarks looked like an effort to galvanise support from a sceptical Israeli public for a return to peace negotiations with the Palestinians in the days after the Annapolis conference.

Israel has a 20% Arab minority who are citizens and can vote, although they are frequently discriminated against and are described by some as a "demographic threat". Within a few years the number of Arabs in Israel and the Palestinian territories is expected to equal, and then exceed, the number of Jews in Israel and the settlements. Some Palestinians argue that they should campaign for a so-called one-state solution: equal voting and citizenship rights within a larger country that includes Israel and the occupied territories and in which Palestinians will soon have a majority.'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/30/israel
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Only matters if you include Gaza which none of us do. The only area of consideration is Israel proper (including Jerusalem) and the West Bank. In both of these areas Arab birthrate is falling at a tremendous rate, while Jewish birthrate is growing and is projected to pass the Arab birthrate.

Per the article: "
There has been a further decline in the fertility rate of Palestinian women in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. In 2014, it was 3.7 in the West Bank (down from 5.6 in 1997) and 4.5 in the Gaza Strip (down from 6.9 in 1997), according to official Palestinian statistics."

Which is why there is much less anxiety about demographics then there once was. It's pretty simple.
 
Apocalypse said:
Within Israel there is no possibility for a demographic change. If Israel was to annex the West Bank such scenario will become possible.
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Possibly. It depends on how much of the West Bank, and where the borders are drawn.
 
Sherman123 said:
Only matters if you include Gaza which none of us do.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL....'us'. A bunch of nobodies on a chat forum? No one cares what you or right wing jewish people think in this regard except others who obviously hate Palestinians as much as you do.. Olmert and the international community is what counts...and THEY DO count Gaza.

The only area of consideration is Israel proper (including Jerusalem) and the West Bank. In both of these areas Arab birthrate is falling at a tremendous rate, while Jewish birthrate is growing and is projected to pass the Arab birthrate.

Per the article: "
There has been a further decline in the fertility rate of Palestinian women in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. In 2014, it was 3.7 in the West Bank (down from 5.6 in 1997) and 4.5 in the Gaza Strip (down from 6.9 in 1997), according to official Palestinian statistics."

Which is why there is much less anxiety about demographics then there once was. It's pretty simple.
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I already proved your original article was based on data from an INCREDIBLY biased organization.

Whereas the data I posted is from the CIA, The World Bank, and the Palestinian Central bureau.

Oh...but I guess 'you all' don't count those organizations either.


Your theories are wrong and your sources are lame - as I have proven with links to factual data.


You are too far gone down the road of Palestinian hatred to be taken remotely seriously on this subject.


We are definitely done here because I no longer think you count. Welcome to my ignore list....*joy*

Bu bye.
 
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Just further evidence of the true Israeli intention - gradually take more and more of the "promised land," per the fanatical religious ideology of many Israelis.
 
DA60 said:
It will happen one day...Israel will have no choice.

With the massive birth rate differences between the Palestinians and the Israeli's...eventually the former will outnumber the latter inside Israel. And then Israel will have a choice:

- become the new Apartheid and deny the Palestinians the vote and instantly become the world pariah (and kiss American help goodbye).
- give the Palestinians the vote and that will be the end of the Jewish state of Israel.
- give the Palestinians their own country.

Obviously, they will do the latter and two state solution will be done.

It will happen...no matter how pathetic Israel treats the Palestinians...it WILL happen.

Even ex-Israeli PM Olmert was smart enough to know it.

Olmert: Two-state solution is crucial to Israel as a Jewish and democratic state - Diplomacy and Defense - Haaretz.com
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For a different view, see Caroline Glick's book called "The Israel Solution". Basically, the PLO population numbers are a sham and there are not nearly as many Palestinians in the WB as are claimed by the PLO (which doesn't surprise me in the least). The entire population game, like everything else the Palestinians do, is entirely corrupted for their own purposes - in this case diplomatic warfare and negotiating leverage with the Jews.

Caroline suggests that the best way to deal with things is annex the WB and extend citizenship to all Palestinians there who want it. Even if they all take it Israel has nothing to worry about and that, in her view, is the only way the Palestinians there have any chance at fixing their society and becoming like the Israeli Arabs. Gaza is not part of her equation, which in all honestly seems fine since Gaza and the WB will never have any sort of political unity again.

Now do I think that's a good idea ... no, not really. But your argument, such that it is, doesn't really pull much weight in Israel anymore, and the Palestinian shell game with their population statistics doesn't have the heft that you think it does. Just saying.
 
DA60 said:
Hello? Can you not read?

The 'trend' you refer to comes from only ONE source...the Taub Center - which is a JEWISH FUNDED institution of staggering bias.

Whereas I have posted proof from many sources - including the Israeli government, the Palestinian government AND the CIA that the numbers from the article are wrong.


A little advice pal - if you are going to take the word of bias think tanks over official government statistics from numerous sources - you will not further your cause in the slightest...quite the contrary.


The article headline you quoted is nonsense.

We are done here.


Have a nice day.
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Sorry, are these government statistics from the PLO?!? Which you are suggesting are objective and must be taken seriously?!? Or just other stats which are based on the groundwork of the PLO?!?

Is this real life?

Incidentally, your noting of the source as obviously biased because it is funded by bolded, capitalized JEWS is duly noted.
 
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Netanyahu opposes Palestinian state, Israeli minister says ahead of U.S. visit | Reuters

More evidence of true intent of the Israelis: progressively take all of the 'promised land', as per their religious ideology. Such extremist ideology prevents compromise, and the violence will continue, if not escalate. The talk of peace and two-state solutions has been put out there to give the Israelis a semblance of being reasonable people, but, by definition, extremists aren't reasonable.
 
LessBiased? said:
Netanyahu opposes Palestinian state, Israeli minister says ahead of U.S. visit | Reuters

More evidence of true intent of the Israelis: progressively take all of the 'promised land', as per their religious ideology. Such extremist ideology prevents compromise, and the violence will continue, if not escalate. The talk of peace and two-state solutions has been put out there to give the Israelis a semblance of being reasonable people, but, by definition, extremists aren't reasonable.
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Way to leave out the actual headline and what the report said in regards to what Netanyahu has actually said.

Netanyahu non-committal on Palestinian statehood as he heads to U.S.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sidestepped a question on whether he still supports the creation of a Palestinian state as he left for the United States on Monday on his first visit since President Donald Trump took office.

Netanyahu has never publicly abandoned his conditional backing for Palestinian statehood, which he first stated in 2009, ...

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In regards to an actual solution ...
I am starting to believe that the only lasting solution will be for one side to leave the area for the following reasons.
A two State solution will never be safe for Israel as violence against Israel will continue unabated.
A one State solution will never be safe for Israel as it jeopardizes it's very existence as a Jewish State.​
 
Excon said:
Way to leave out the actual headline and what the report said in regards to what Netanyahu has actually said.

Netanyahu non-committal on Palestinian statehood as he heads to U.S.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sidestepped a question on whether he still supports the creation of a Palestinian state as he left for the United States on Monday on his first visit since President Donald Trump took office.

Netanyahu has never publicly abandoned his conditional backing for Palestinian statehood, which he first stated in 2009, ...

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In regards to an actual solution ...
I am starting to believe that the only lasting solution will be for one side to leave the area for the following reasons.
A two State solution will never be safe for Israel as violence against Israel will continue unabated.
A one State solution will never be safe for Israel as it jeopardizes it's very existence as a Jewish State.​
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I provided a link to the full article. What you quoted was selectively incomplete. Here's a longer quote:

Netanyahu has never publicly abandoned his conditional backing for Palestinian statehood, which he first stated in 2009, but Palestinians say that commitment has been rendered worthless by Israeli settlement building on occupied land.

Hours before Netanyahu's departure for Washington, Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan told Army Radio that "all members of the security cabinet, and foremost the prime minister, oppose a Palestinian state".​

Regarding "one side leaving the area", it would certainly solve the problem if the Israelis left and dispersed around the world, but their fanatical religious ideology likely makes that not an option at all. Meanwhile, the Palestinians won't leave either, so the problem will continue ...
 
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I provided a link to the full article. What you quoted was selectively incomplete. Here's a longer quote:

Netanyahu has never publicly abandoned his conditional backing for Palestinian statehood, which he first stated in 2009, but Palestinians say that commitment has been rendered worthless by Israeli settlement building on occupied land.

Hours before Netanyahu's departure for Washington, Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan told Army Radio that "all members of the security cabinet, and foremost the prime minister, oppose a Palestinian state".​
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No. What you originally provided was incomplete. I completed it by providing what you left out.


LessBiased? said:
Regarding "one side leaving the area", it would certainly solve the problem if the Israelis left and dispersed around the world, but their fanatical religious ideology likely makes that not an option at all.
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Biased nonsense. As the palestinians fanatical religious ideology makes them far more companionable with their Arab neighbors, under those auspices, it would make far more sense that they leave to establish peace.
But yes, they wont leave.
 
Excon said:
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No. What you originally provided was incomplete. I completed it by providing what you left out.


Biased nonsense. As the palestinians fanatical religious ideology makes them far more companionable with their Arab neighbors, under those auspices, it would make far more sense that they leave to establish peace.
But yes, they wont leave.
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Palestinians make up the Jordan's largest ethnic group and Jordan makes up 3/4ths of the original Palestine Mandate.

“The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.”
-King Hussein of Jordan
 
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