Re: Senators Threaten to Cut Embassy Security If US Doesn’t Move Its Embassy to Jerus
AlbqOwl said:
Who is considered a terrorist and who IS a terrorist are two separate things.
And terrorism is defined by you alone it seems. A person who would probably refuse to recognize the idea of state terrorism for reasons that would not be hard to understand
The Israelis have not persecuted the Palestinians. The Israelis would have co-existed peacefully with the Palestinians who lived in Israel had the Palestinians co-existed peacefully with them. Most didn't but left the country so their Arab brethren could annihilate the Jews. That didn't work out and then the Israeli's did not allow those Palestinians to return. Why should they?
The Palestinian antagonism to Zionism, prior to the state of Israels existence, was wholly understandable. The realisation of Zionism, they feared, would initiate and ensure their dispossession and displacement from the land.
I think history has shown us all that these fears were well founded and that this has been an ongoing process, right up to the present.
I also think that you should familiarize yourself with Jewish Zionist thinking and discussions concerning the “ transfer “ of Palestinian Arabs prior to the creation of the state of Israel before you preach to others about the benevolence of it all and wish to apportion ALL of the blame on the Arabs.
Israel has made offers to the Palestinians on the two state solution
that overwhelmingly pander to the wishes of Israel and deny the Palestinians authentic self determination.
You should,imo, familiarize yourself with what Israel is entitled to under the law and what the Palestinians are entitled to under the law
before you attempt to comment on what is a fair deal and what is not.
You would also benefit from acquainting yourself with the acceleration of the expansion of the illegal settlements by Israel since the Oslo Accords. Talking about Palestinian statehood whilst dramatically changing the facts on the ground so as to render it meaningless.
Israel has placed the Palestinians under a brutal and repressive military occupation that is soon to be 50 years old. Their lives are completely blighted by the restrictions enforced on them in order to protect illegal settlers illegally living in their territory.
It’s vast high tech military machine regularly inflicts low level extrajudicial killings that also take the lives of innocent people that just happen to be in the vicinity at the time. The Israeli state terrorism of the Palestinians also rises into biennial mass slaughterings of innocent Palestinian men , women and children that makes the crimes committed against Israel by some Palestinians look like fly ****.
Those in Gaza, the worlds biggest open prison,forced to live under fear of drone or F16 strikes. Fishermen hemmed in and shot at by Israeli gunboats all the while living under a blockade with just enough being allowed in so they don’t all starve to death. Occupiers aren’t allowed to sit and watch whilst the population they occupy dies en masse . That hardly constitutes “ humanitarianism “ in my book.
As for Israel being a good neighbour , well , maybe that’s the case when peace has been agreed upon but prior to that they were a nightmare . After the establishment of the state of Israel, Israel invaded Egypt twice whilst Egypt never invaded Israel once before peace was agreed after Israel had rejected Sadats offers prior to the 1973 war.
In the final analysis , the history confirms that peace can be achieved between Arab and Jew but not before much violence. It was true of Egypt and Jordan , it will also be true wrt the Palestinians.
World opinion reflects the laws governing states. If it is against Israel , which it is and massively so , then it is Israel that needs to address its violations of those laws and stop isolating itself from a valid world consensus
“From where you sit” , imo , you will never be able to see a balanced picture of this conflict because , as shown in your post , you have only ever viewed it through the prism of Israeli propaganda.
You recently claimed that “ you don’t see it ( this conflict ) as extremely “ as I do. So just for the record , my view on a just resolution of this conflict is in line with international law and a massive international consensus , the likes of which is hard to find on anything else. It is endorsed by the world court and all the international Human Rights groups.
So you might need to rethink about who is the “ extremist “ here and who isn’t. Not that I ever expect you to