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U.S. Abstains as U.N. Security Council Votes to Condemn Israeli Settlements

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-settlements-un-vote.html?_r=0

UNITED NATIONS — Defying extraordinary pressure from President-elect Donald J. Trump and furious lobbying by Israel, the Obama administration on Friday allowed the United Nations Security Council to adopt a resolution that condemned Israeli settlement construction.

The administration’s decision not to veto the measure broke a longstanding American policy of serving as Israel’s sturdiest diplomatic shield at the United Nations.

While the measure will have no practical impact on the ground, it was regarded as a major rebuff to Israel that could increase its isolation over the paralyzed peace process with the Palestinians, who have sought to establish their own state on territory held by Israel.

Applause broke out in the 15-member Security Council’s chambers following the vote on the measure, which passed 14-0, with the United States abstaining.
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Thoughts are?
 
joG said:
I wish I knew better, what Obama wants to achieve in the Middle East. It hasn't really made very much sense to me, but I cannot believe that he was as planless as it appeared.
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The expansion of settlements, Israel keeps on expanding.
Recall when Biden landed for a visit, Israel announced new settlements and or expansions in the WB.
What was Israel trying to do then?
 
JANFU said:
The expansion of settlements, Israel keeps on expanding.
Recall when Biden landed for a visit, Israel announced new settlements and or expansions in the WB.
What was Israel trying to do then?
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It is quite clear that he did not like the West Bank settlements and wanting them stopped might make sense. I do not see it as a good way to go about peace in the area nor the strategy behind it.
 
joG said:
It is quite clear that he did not like the West Bank settlements and wanting them stopped might make sense. I do not see it as a good way to go about peace in the area nor the strategy behind it.
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It changes nothing. Settlements will continue and at some point in time the EU will place more sanctions on WB products and possibly Israeli as well.
 
Good.

I'm sick of being Israel's lapdog. It's like having a kid brother walking around the playground picking fights knowing his big brother won't let anybody punch him in the nose.

And, in regard to Palestine's overgrown bottle rockets, what else can they do? Throwing rocks don't work. (They just need bigger rockets.) Does anyone really want to compare the Palestinian body count against the Israeli's? Seriously. :roll:

Whatever. Not my circus. Not my monkeys. I wish they would just duke it out once and for all and last man standing turn out the lights. I'm sick of that Israeli/Palestinian problem. They deserve each other.
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
Don't see why it matters, the UN has no teeth and the President Elect is vehemently pro-israel so.....meh.
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Trump’s foray into FP, calling the Egyptian PM who withdrew the motion, well it backfired.
Problem is he thinks he is already President.
 
ocean515 said:
Thoughts are the UN might need to start looking for a new headquarters, or perhaps at least a new benefactor to pay it's bills.
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China would step up to the plate.
 
JANFU said:
China would step up to the plate.
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Perhaps they would. Unfortunately the UN has become a worthless organization with members who are more keen on living the good life in New York City, and letting their citizens back home pay for it.
 
ocean515 said:
Perhaps they would. Unfortunately the UN has become a worthless organization with members who are more keen on living the good life in New York City, and letting their citizens back home pay for it.
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Well this ain't about the UN.
 
JANFU said:
It changes nothing. Settlements will continue and at some point in time the EU will place more sanctions on WB products and possibly Israeli as well.
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Which would only destabilise the region more and send refugees scurrying to Europe. ;)
 
On this particular issue it seems rather counter intuitive to support expanding the Israeli settlements as well support two state solution (the only thing there that seems to make sense).

The more the Israeli settlements expand, the more pissed off the Palestinians get, which is counter to a peaceful relationship and region.

Weren't the lands that the Israeli settlements are expanding into, once Palestinians lands?
 
Captain America said:
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Whatever. Not my circus. Not my monkeys. I wish they would just duke it out once and for all and last man standing turn out the lights. I'm sick of that Israeli/Palestinian problem. They deserve each other.
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me too :)
 
ocean515 said:
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A thread about the UN Security council voting to condemn Israel is not about the UN?

What's it about then?
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The motion.
Same as moving the UN is not the OP
Now that is out of the way.
 
JANFU said:
Trump’s foray into FP, calling the Egyptian PM who withdrew the motion, well it backfired.
Problem is he thinks he is already President.
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Why did it backfire? Egypt did what he wanted. It was other entities that went around egypt to get it passed. By all accounts, Egypt treated Israel better than the US did here.
 
JANFU said:
Trump’s foray into FP, calling the Egyptian PM who withdrew the motion, well it backfired.
Problem is he thinks he is already President.
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In fact, he is acting like the kind of person he is. But it is true that Obama doing some of the things he is doing in spite of the fact that many will be reversed, will harm the country in many ways.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Why did it backfire? Egypt did what he wanted. It was other entities that went around egypt to get it passed. By all accounts, Egypt treated Israel better than the US did here.
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What was Trump doing but undermining the President?
 
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