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Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

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Maybe people here will be able to help me here

I have tried to think of another example whereby a people being forced to live under a foreign military occupation are pressured/forced by the UN/World community into working toward/guaranteeing the security of those that are militarily occupying them .

I can't think of any other examples of this situation , maybe you , the reader , can and care to cite it/them

Cheers
 
Maybe people here will be able to help me here

I have tried to think of another example whereby a people being forced to live under a foreign military occupation are pressured/forced by the UN/World community into working toward/guaranteeing the security of those that are militarily occupying them .

I can't think of any other examples of this situation , maybe you , the reader , can and care to cite it/them

Cheers

theres no such thing as "palestine". just a bunch a terrorists with rockets trying to dig tunnels to kill jewish people.
 
theres no such thing as "palestine". just a bunch a terrorists with rockets trying to dig tunnels to kill jewish people.

:roll::roll:
 
Maybe people here will be able to help me here

I have tried to think of another example whereby a people being forced to live under a foreign military occupation are pressured/forced by the UN/World community into working toward/guaranteeing the security of those that are militarily occupying them .

I can't think of any other examples of this situation , maybe you , the reader , can and care to cite it/them

Cheers

Pardon me, but do you call lobbing rockets into civilian locations how one guarantees the security of the occupiers?
 
Pardon me, but do you call lobbing rockets into civilian locations how one guarantees the security of the occupiers?

Nope, you are getting mixed up between Hamas and the PA ( fatah ).

Hamas have not given up their right to resist foreign occupation and domination via armed conflict ( probably why they have grown in popularity in recent years ). Fatah, on the other hand , have stated the end to resistance through armed conflict and are charged with the role of stopping other Palestinians under their authority from engaging in it in order to protect those enforcing the military occupation and the illegal settlers that compound the problem.
 
Nope, you are getting mixed up between Hamas and the PA ( fatah ).

Hamas have not given up their right to resist foreign occupation and domination via armed conflict ( probably why they have grown in popularity in recent years ). Fatah, on the other hand , have stated the end to resistance through armed conflict and are charged with the role of stopping other Palestinians under their authority from engaging in it in order to protect those enforcing the military occupation and the illegal settlers that compound the problem.

When Palestinian parents stop sending their babies out as walking bombs, then just maybe.................. they would deserve some compassion as a society.

How many more of these threads are you going to make?
 
When Palestinian parents stop sending their babies out as walking bombs, then just maybe.................. they would deserve some compassion as a society.

Well you have to ask yourself why some people resort to such desperate and horrific actions

How many more of these threads are you going to make?

I don't see how that's any of your business/concern tbh
 
Well you have to ask yourself why some people resort to such desperate and horrific actions

You mean like in Syria? Yemen? Iraq? Afghanistan?
 
Well, at least it is a fact.

Something you have been lacking for how many posts on the subject?

Do you agree with trump calling on Obama to veto the current U. N. resolution on Israeli settlements?

How many Presidents do you think we should have at one time?

And how about the choice of Friedman to be the ambassador to Israel; who supports settlements, does not support the two-state solution, and wants to move our embassy to Jerusalem?

On the polar opposite flip side, how about the trump adviser who boycotted an Israeli meeting in support of a right-wing Swedish lawmaker, angering Israel ?
 
Do you agree with trump calling on Obama to veto the current U. N. resolution on Israeli settlements?

How many Presidents do you think we should have at one time?

And how about the choice of Friedman to be the ambassador to Israel; who supports settlements, does not support the two-state solution, and wants to move our embassy to Jerusalem?

On the polar opposite flip side, how about the trump adviser who boycotted an Israeli meeting in support of a right-wing Swedish lawmaker, angering Israel ?

Obama ran his mouth prior to the inauguration, why not Trump?

I don't give a rats azz about about your knee jerk reactions either.

Come talk to me when Palestine take peace seriously, and kick out all the terrorists in their government.

How many times has Israel conceded.......... only to have the goal posts moved?
 
Well, at least it is a fact.

Nope, it's your opinion.

Something you have been lacking for how many posts on the subject?

My posts contain numerous facts and references. Often very many more than the posts of numerous posters that are arguing against me in any given thread .

But you won't care about that because you are not really interested in facts. Well , at least wrt facts that challenge your perceptions on the conflict.
 
Do you agree with trump calling on Obama to veto the current U. N. resolution on Israeli settlements?

How many Presidents do you think we should have at one time?

And how about the choice of Friedman to be the ambassador to Israel; who supports settlements, does not support the two-state solution, and wants to move our embassy to Jerusalem?

On the polar opposite flip side, how about the trump adviser who boycotted an Israeli meeting in support of a right-wing Swedish lawmaker, angering Israel ?

What has any of the above got to do with the OP ?

If you wish to talk about Trumps positions on Israeli policies or those of the people he has given roles to do so in this thread and stop trying to hijack this one , if ya don't mind

http://www.debatepolitics.com/israe...ttlement-lawyer-israeli-ambassador-w-4-a.html
 
Nope, it's your opinion.



My posts contain numerous facts and references. Often very many more than the posts of numerous posters that are arguing against me in any given thread .

But you won't care about that because you are not really interested in facts. Well , at least wrt facts that challenge your perceptions on the conflict.

You keep posting your own opinions as fact.

I can't help it if you keep stepping in your own feces along the way.

When the Palestinian government kicks out their terrorists, BiBi will start taking them serious.
 
You keep posting your own opinions as fact.

I can't help it if you keep stepping in your own feces along the way.

When the Palestinian government kicks out their terrorists, BiBi will start taking them serious.



I think serious/reasonable debate is a bridge too far for you. Maybe you spent too much of your life looking for the golden rivet and it's left you becoming just a bitter old man
 
I think serious/reasonable debate is a bridge too far for you. Maybe you spent too much of your life looking for the golden rivet and it's left you becoming just a bitter old man

This less than bitter old man has seen enough Palestinian nonsense for two lifetimes.

Please stop playing the cerebral superiority game with everyone you disagree with................. you are not equipped for it.

Have a great day sport!
 
Please stop playing the cerebral superiority game with everyone you disagree with................. you are not equipped for it.

Have a great day sport!

When people start talking about others having " hard ons " or " stepping in your own feces (sic) " you know that trying to engage them in a reasonable conversation is a waste of time
 
Nope, you are getting mixed up between Hamas and the PA ( fatah ).

Hamas have not given up their right to resist foreign occupation and domination via armed conflict ( probably why they have grown in popularity in recent years ). Fatah, on the other hand , have stated the end to resistance through armed conflict and are charged with the role of stopping other Palestinians under their authority from engaging in it in order to protect those enforcing the military occupation and the illegal settlers that compound the problem.

Until they concede Israel has a right to exist they will see no peace and don't deserve it. It's as simple as that.
 
Until they concede Israel has a right to exist they will see no peace and don't deserve it. It's as simple as that.

I take it you have given up talking about the actual content of the OP ?

Fatah has acknowledged Israels right to exist by supporting a two state solution since the 1970's and where has it got them ? The building of illegal settlements has increased dramatically since the Oslo accords and the illegal annexation wall continues unabated.

To make out that the failure to secure a peace between the two sides is all the fault of the Palestinians shows a complete bias and an ignorance of the subject imo

My guess is that had you have been kicked out from you homeland by an immigrant movement that claimed it for themselves , you might have a different view on things
 
I take it you have given up talking about the actual content of the OP ?

Fatah has acknowledged Israels right to exist by supporting a two state solution since the 1970's and where has it got them ? The building of illegal settlements has increased dramatically since the Oslo accords and the illegal annexation wall continues unabated.

To make out that the failure to secure a peace between the two sides is all the fault of the Palestinians shows a complete bias and an ignorance of the subject imo

My guess is that had you have been kicked out from you homeland by an immigrant movement that claimed it for themselves , you might have a different view on things

You continuously refer to the establishment of the state of Israel in the homeland of the Jewish people as a displacement. No one was displaced when Israel was established, only after it during the wars of annihilation called on this state.
 
When people start talking about others having " hard ons " or " stepping in your own feces (sic) " you know that trying to engage them in a reasonable conversation is a waste of time

The waste of time, is the time you have spent looking at one side of a very important issue.

Israel has a right to preempt Palestinian hostilities.

If that means occupying sections of Palestine, then so be it.
 
You continuously refer to the establishment of the state of Israel in the homeland of the Jewish people as a displacement. No one was displaced when Israel was established, only after it during the wars of annihilation called on this state.

It is a fact that around 2-3 hundred thousand Palestinians had been displaced outside of Palestine before 15th May when the Zionists proclaimed the establishment of the state of Israel and before ANY Arab armies had entered the conflict.

It is also a fact that the Zionist leadership had agreed, well before the outbreak of hostilities in 1947/48 , that " transfer " of the Palestinians from Palestine was the preferred method by which to ensure a Jewish majority in any future Jewish state there.

What is obvious to anyone familiar with this period is that the war gave the Zionists the opportunity to carry out the above. And as if further proof were needed that the displacement of Palestinians from the territory of the former Palestine is part of a long term agenda , the events of 1967 offer us yet another example of the " transfer " of Palestinians out of the territory.

To conclude

The Zionists , before the establishment of the Israeli state , spoke frequently of " transferring " the Palestinians outside of the former Mandate Palestinian territory.

During the 1948 war around 700,000 Palestinians found themselves outside of the territory. Half of the Palestinian towns and villages were destroyed by the Jews and the Palestinian right to return was rejected

Fast forward to 1967 and we see another war and another 2-3 hundred thousand Arab residents " transferred " outside of the territory and once again the right of return was denied them

You put all of this together and it is blatantly obvious what has been and what is going on.

It also renders your comments hollow
 
It is a fact that around 2-3 hundred thousand Palestinians had been displaced outside of Palestine before 15th May when the Zionists proclaimed the establishment of the state of Israel and before ANY Arab armies had entered the conflict.

It is also a fact that the Zionist leadership had agreed, well before the outbreak of hostilities in 1947/48 , that " transfer " of the Palestinians from Palestine was the preferred method by which to ensure a Jewish majority in any future Jewish state there.

What is obvious to anyone familiar with this period is that the war gave the Zionists the opportunity to carry out the above. And as if further proof were needed that the displacement of Palestinians from the territory of the former Palestine is part of a long term agenda , the events of 1967 offer us yet another example of the " transfer " of Palestinians out of the territory.

To conclude

The Zionists , before the establishment of the Israeli state , spoke frequently of " transferring " the Palestinians outside of the former Mandate Palestinian territory.

During the 1948 war around 700,000 Palestinians found themselves outside of the territory. Half of the Palestinian towns and villages were destroyed by the Jews and the Palestinian right to return was rejected

Fast forward to 1967 and we see another war and another 2-3 hundred thousand Arab residents " transferred " outside of the territory and once again the right of return was denied them

You put all of this together and it is blatantly obvious what has been and what is going on.

It also renders your comments hollow

Nonsense, the establishment of the state of Israel meant establishing a state in the lands of Israel, it didn't mean anyone had to remove himself or be removed from the place where he lived. That is your mistake here, that you fail to recognize that any displacement was the result of warfare not initiated by the Jewish population but by the Arab population in attempt to destroy the state or the prospects of it.
You might as well claim that the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the Arab nations that followed the establishment of Israel was to be blamed on the establishment, and that'd be just as wrong.
 
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