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Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

Apocalypse said:
First of all Muslims are not an ethnic group.
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Demonisation is demonisation and it doesn't matter whether a group is being targeted by way of race or religion , so your wish to dismiss Abbazorkzogs comments on this subject is a fail

Secondly there's no nation that rounds them up and gasses them, men, women and children alike in the millions in an attempt to remove them all from this world. Your comparison is simply insane.
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It took 2000 years for the Holocaust to materialize as the culmination of centuries of European antisemitism and it all started with the demonisation/scapegoating of Jewish people by Europeans. Your dismissal of a present case of another groups demonisation in Europe shows you don't actual care too much about it and possibly only if it is directed against your own group. I don't need to explain the moral bankruptcy of such a position
 
Apocalypse said:
Behave? :lol:
Palestinians are Arabs((...................)) but not all Arabs are Palestinian.
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Why do you insist on such nonsense ?

Nobody said all Arabs are Palestinians.

The dialogue on peace talks between the members of state of Israel and the would be state of Palestine is a discussion between Jews and Arabs. That's what I meant and what was the only conclusion anyone not wishing to derail things would have come to.

Your comment about " Americans being fat " was a ridiculous distraction , that's all.

Not willing to admit that we are now forced to endure more rubbish along the same lines.

Grow up




Oh that's what I was waiting for, you're starting to open up about your real views on Jews. Great.
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Commenting that some of them look just like their European counterparts when some look like theyre from Arab origins means nothing accept a recognition of that fact.

Your desperation is showing
 
Abbazorkzog said:
What happened before the Holocaust? Tell me, because it didn't just instantly happen. BAM! Holocaust. No, people defended antisemitism, the same way you're defending Islamophobia.

So, what are you going to do when some right-wing psychopath like Trump demands Israel start herding Muslims out of Israel in train cars and forcing them to sign up with a registry in which they will be forced to die by firing squad for being potential enemies of the state due to their religion?

What are you going to do when Trump gets impeached or tried before the ICC for Crimes Against Humanity and NATO launches a humanitarian intervention into Israel in an international crisis that could've been avoided if only you'd taken off your partisan blinders for the sake of humanity?

But, I digress. You claim in that post you quoted I was comparing it to the Holocaust. I did no such thing, if you'll go back and read that post, I said antisemitism not the Holocaust...

...big ****ing difference. Do your own research beyond what the State forcefed you in school.

AGAIN -

so you can't ignore it -

I'll put it in big-ass, pretty letters, so you can't ignore it -

I said antisemitism

Not the HOLOCAUST.

Antisemitism

NOT

HOLOCAUST!

Jesus Christ, dude.
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Welcome to the strange world of Apocalypse debate lol
 
Apocalypse said:
No, but you're seriously downplaying antisemitism by claiming that Muslims in Western countries face today the same kind of stuff Jews have faced. :shrug:
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What don't you understand about the part demonisation of a group of people within a society can play in the incitement to commit crimes against them ? The longer it is allowed to go on/supported encouraged the more chance that it will culminate in bigger and bigger crimes.

You should not need to have this explained to you
 
oneworld2 said:
Yes it is or you should explain why it isn;'t
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"Israeli settlements are continuing to encroach on Palestinian land."
Is what wasn't true.
We are not talking about the geographical area known as Palestine which Israel came form.

So if you would like to first establish an argument that it is true, by all means feel free give it a shot.
 
Excon said:
Factually that isn't true.
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Israel to Confiscate 1,250 Acres of Palestinian Land in Favor of Illegal Jewish West Bank Settlements | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

NABLUS (Ma’an) – The Israeli authorities on Saturday delivered notices to the Palestinian village of Jalud in the northern occupied West Bank, alerting residents that 5,000 dunams (1,250 acres) of private land were slated for confiscation in what appeared to be the retroactive legalization of illegal outposts in the area.
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It IS true and that's been the continuous problem with all of this. The UN didn't vote to condemn a lie.
 
oneworld2 said:
Maybe people here will be able to help me here

I have tried to think of another example whereby a people being forced to live under a foreign military occupation are pressured/forced by the UN/World community into working toward/guaranteeing the security of those that are militarily occupying them .

I can't think of any other examples of this situation , maybe you , the reader , can and care to cite it/them

Cheers
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Germans and Japanese and Italians following the loss of the war they started.

So that's sufficient right there.
 
oneworld2 said:
That you can make such a statement in the above is remarkable imo

Denying that there is an Israeli military occupation of Palestinian territories must put you in the tiniest minority view group on the planet. A group so small that it is able to hold its annual Christmas dinner gathering, sat around a table , in the back of a transit van.

By your standard the French should have left France during the Nazi occupation and moved to other European states that were " just as much a part of their ancestral homeland " as France was

I knew I should have put" sensible comments only" in that OP
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The Pals. chose to live there. They had left because they couldn't make a go of it there, moved to NW Africa, got kicked out an undesirables, went to Egypt, got kicked out of there as undesireables and only move back to Israel after the Jews started returning. The Islamic nations surrounding them could all give up a few bits of land and help them irrigate and farm it, just as the Israelis have done, but they chose not to. The situation the Pals. find themselves in is ENTIRELY of their own making and they could be living very well if they chose to.
 
jet57 said:
It IS true and that's been the continuous problem with all of this. The UN didn't vote to condemn a lie.
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No it isn't true.
The land belongs to Israel.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Germans and Japanese and Italians following the loss of the war they started.

So that's sufficient right there.
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I don't recall any of those nations being forced by the international community into having to guarantee the security of the occupying forces
 
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