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GDP of Palestine could be twice higher without occupation: UN report [W:41]

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A report released Monday by the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) raised concern over the economic cost of the Israeli occupation against the Palestinians, saying that without occupation the economy of the Occupied Palestinian Territory could easily produce twice the gross domestic product it produces now.
According to the report, more than 61 percent of West Bank land is under the control of Israel and inaccessible to Palestinian producers, while in the Gaza Strip, Palestinians are denied access to half of the cultivable area and 85 percent of their fishery resources.

Meanwhile, more than 2.5 million productive trees have been uprooted since 1967.
The government and Palestinian farmers are prohibited from maintaining or constructing water wells, while the occupying power has been extracting water above the level determined by article 40 of appendix I of the Oslo II Accord, signed on Sept. 28, 1995, thus confiscating Palestinian groundwater, the report said.
The report pointed out that since the onset of occupation in 1967, the Palestinian people have never enjoyed sovereign control of their economy, natural resources or territory.


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Occupation adds to the economic distress the Palestine is currently enduring.
 
That is silly. Had the Palestinians acted slightly differently, they could be rich from tourism. But they acted as the did.

They " acted " the same way anybody would have acted. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

They might also have become " rich " had they been independent enough to develop the sizeable natural gas reserves off the Gazan coastline. A coastline currently under the control of the Israeli navy
 
They " acted " the same way anybody would have acted. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

They might also have become " rich " had they been independent enough to develop the sizeable natural gas reserves off the Gazan coastline currently under the control of the Israeli navy

TWICE higher?

So that'd be what?

About $2.47?
 
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Occupation adds to the economic distress the Palestine is currently enduring. [/FONT][/COLOR]

The report also cited the constant Israeli assaults on Gaza as impacting massively on the economic misery piled upon the Palestinians.

What the article didn't seem to cover was the massive gas reserves waiting to be fully exploited off the Gazan coast.

I know the Palestinians did have talks with Russian giant Gazprom but I don't recall how they fared. Either way , the potential revenue from this Palestinian resource seems to be massive if we are to believe the estimated quantities.

Money they could well do with to help rebuild some of the devastation visited upon them by the IDF in recent times
 
TWICE higher?

So that'd be what?

About $2.47?

Well , it's alright you scoffing ( that's what it appears to be ) but some of those people are practically destitute and unemployment in the Gaza strip is extremely high. So don't be so quick to rubbish the idea that some extra money could be knocking around.
 
I imagine not shooting rockets at the Israelis or bombing their school buses would be a step in the right direction...
 
I imagine not shooting rockets at the Israelis or bombing their school buses would be a step in the right direction...
It might be helpful for Palestinians to drop the sworn genocide of all Israelis as a goal too. Oh and admitting that Israel has at least a right to exist would be helpful too. ;)
 
The report also cited the constant Israeli assaults on Gaza as impacting massively on the economic misery piled upon the Palestinians.

It makes sense that military operations against Gaza at large scale will not improve the Gazan economy, however the entire fault is with Hamas for choosing not just to enter wars with Israel through their acts of terrorism but also to actually invest more in terrorism than in providing for the people they govern and for acting to kill as many Gazan civilians as possible during such operations for PR purposes.
 
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Occupation adds to the economic distress the Palestine is currently enduring. [/FONT][/COLOR]

LOL.

Fascinating observation that the Palestinians would be better off if they ended their war against Israel's existence.

Although I'm not really sure this is true. Corrupt kleptocrat states (which a Palestinian state is approximately 100% likely to become) tend not to do so well economy-wise. Of course failed states (which a Palestinian state is at least 90% likely to become) tend to do even worse.

Add to that the possibility the international community would lose interest in the massive inflows of capital to this ridiculous project once it can't be used to make themselves feel better about the Jews and it is clear that things suck in "Palestine" because of internal Palestinian issues, and we have a recipe for the cessation of pretty much all productive economic activity.

But of course, if farts were rainbows the world would be a colourful place.

Incidentally, what were social, economic and educational statistics like for the Palestinians prior to 1967, and how do we think they would have progressed absent the occupation? If we're going to play "what if", let's do it properly.
 
The report also cited the constant Israeli assaults on Gaza as impacting massively on the economic misery piled upon the Palestinians.

Yeah, launching wars you can't win against a much stronger society and then hiding inside your infrastructure tends not to be the "get rich quick" scheme adopted by most sane peoples.

Incidentally, rampaging through your own capital infrastructure to destroy it in orgies of ineffectual violence similarly tends to product lackluster economic returns...

What the article didn't seem to cover was the massive gas reserves waiting to be fully exploited off the Gazan coast.

Yes, the Gaza economy would do much better if that money was properly funneled into the leaders' off-shore accounts and Hamas's "military" budget.

Can we at least pretend to be running this analysis in the real world?!??

I know the Palestinians did have talks with Russian giant Gazprom but I don't recall how they fared. Either way , the potential revenue from this Palestinian resource seems to be massive if we are to believe the estimated quantities.

Money they could well do with to help rebuild some of the devastation visited upon them by the IDF in recent times

Yes, I'm sure Hamas would be totally interested in that. I know Arafat was super interested in ensuring that international aid and economic activity was widely and fairly distributed within the Palestinian economy. Wasn't and would never be diverted to the corrupt political echelon and terrorist groups.

Incidentally, of all the cement allowed into Gaza since the war that Hamas started, how much of it has been used for civilian purposes?

Data and reasoning are important in economics.
 
I imagine not shooting rockets at the Israelis or bombing their school buses would be a step in the right direction...

The rocket attacks exactly mirror the violence and suppression of the Palestinians by the Israelis. It's a two way street and it's a pity you only see one side of the road
 
The rocket attacks exactly mirror the violence and suppression of the Palestinians by the Israelis. It's a two way street and it's a pity you only see one side of the road



And it helps the situation how?
 
They " acted " the same way anybody would have acted. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

They might also have become " rich " had they been independent enough to develop the sizeable natural gas reserves off the Gazan coastline. A coastline currently under the control of the Israeli navy

Sure. Had they fought Israel and won, driven the Israeli into the sea.... But that was not in their power. They could have been peaceful and built a tourist industry. That was in their power. They didn't. They chose asymmetric war. That is at their's and their elite's doorstep. So they have none to accuse but themselves, if they want to be honest about it.
 
Well , it's alright you scoffing ( that's what it appears to be ) but some of those people are practically destitute and unemployment in the Gaza strip is extremely high. So don't be so quick to rubbish the idea that some extra money could be knocking around.

I don't really care about destitution, unemployment, or any other form of suffering in Gaza.

Electing Hamas to a position in government is like electing al Qaida or ISIS to a position in government.

I don't support everything, or really much of anything that Israel does, and I don't approve of U.S. support for Israel, but if the Palestinians in Gaza want to elect a terror organization as their legitimate government that's just stupid, and stupid hurts.
 
And it helps the situation how?

I don't think it helps the situation but I don't think the blockade , brutal Israeli occupation and illegal settlement building help the situation either.

To me the rockets are a desperate response from a desperate people with little or no other means to fight their tormentors
 
I don't think it helps the situation but I don't think the blockade , brutal Israeli occupation and illegal settlement building help the situation either.

To me the rockets are a desperate response from a desperate people with little or no other means to fight their tormentors



That's one way of looking at it. Another is that when they had a chance to vote, they chose Hamas to lead them. I lost most of my sympathy at that point.
 
I don't really care about destitution, unemployment, or any other form of suffering in Gaza.

Electing Hamas to a position in government is like electing al Qaida or ISIS to a position in government.

I don't support everything, or really much of anything that Israel does, and I don't approve of U.S. support for Israel, but if the Palestinians in Gaza want to elect a terror organization as their legitimate government that's just stupid, and stupid hurts.

I'm sure that Hamas supporters in Gaza consider the terrorists to be on the other side of the fence. The corruption rampant in Fatah also played its part in the election of Hamas

Whether we like it or not the election of Hamas gives them the legitimacy to govern the place imo
 
To me the rockets are a desperate response from a desperate people with little or no other means to fight their tormentors

And that is exactly why you don't hold the moral high ground, because this is your view on acts of murder, on acts of terrorism.
 
The rocket attacks exactly mirror the violence and suppression of the Palestinians by the Israelis. It's a two way street and it's a pity you only see one side of the road

It's a pity that you are on the wrong side of the argument.
 
That's one way of looking at it. Another is that when they had a chance to vote, they chose Hamas to lead them. I lost most of my sympathy at that point.
You can add to that the fact that they have consistently turned down every overture towards peace ever put before them too. Which is no surprise when genocide is your open and fervent goal.
 
Yeah, launching wars you can't win against a much stronger society and then hiding inside your infrastructure tends not to be the "get rich quick" scheme adopted by most sane peoples.

Incidentally, rampaging through your own capital infrastructure to destroy it in orgies of ineffectual violence similarly tends to product lackluster economic returns...



Yes, the Gaza economy would do much better if that money was properly funneled into the leaders' off-shore accounts and Hamas's "military" budget.

Can we at least pretend to be running this analysis in the real world?!??



Yes, I'm sure Hamas would be totally interested in that. I know Arafat was super interested in ensuring that international aid and economic activity was widely and fairly distributed within the Palestinian economy. Wasn't and would never be diverted to the corrupt political echelon and terrorist groups.

Incidentally, of all the cement allowed into Gaza since the war that Hamas started, how much of it has been used for civilian purposes?

Data and reasoning are important in economics.

There's a saying that runs along the lines that it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees. So whilst the Palestinian resistance to Israeli subjugation and violence maybe futile and some of it deemed to be illegal, it is still their choice. And for every mass slaughter of Palestinians by the Israelis a new generation of attackers are guaranteed. Makes ya wonder if that actually suits the Zionist agenda.

And once again we see just how unrealistic your own commentary can be . Expecting Hamas fighters , armed with Kalashnikovs , to exit their towns and cities to stand in open ground so as to take on Israeli F 16's and Merkava tanks is just baffling

That there is widespread corruption within the PA was one of the reasons that they lost the election in Gaza in the first place. And it's not just the Palestinians that engage in kleptocratic activities or excessive military budgets at the expense of social spending.

You can speculate all you want about Palestinian reconstruction but if you want to remain in the " real world " there are many considerations to take into account on the subject.

There are all of the Israeli building restrictions for one thing, both in the WB and Gaza. There is the fact that the PA , by and large , are given the aid money with all of the problems inherent in that. There is also the sheer scale of the 10's of 1000's of people without homes

Also who said Hamas started the war ? Netanyahu , hardly an impartial source.

The Israeli ill treatment , dispossession and displacement of Palestinians predate Hamas by just on 4 decades !!
 
That's one way of looking at it. Another is that when they had a chance to vote, they chose Hamas to lead them. I lost most of my sympathy at that point.

Have you ever wondered why they voted in Hamas ?

And do you not support democracy ?
 
You can add to that the fact that they have consistently turned down every overture towards peace ever put before them too. Which is no surprise when genocide is your open and fervent goal.

They have made conflicting statements , just like Netanyahu has btw , on the subject. Does that mean that Netanyahu should not be party to any negotiations also ?
 
It makes sense that military operations against Gaza at large scale will not improve the Gazan economy, however the entire fault is with Hamas for choosing not just to enter wars with Israel through their acts of terrorism but also to actually invest more in terrorism than in providing for the people they govern and for acting to kill as many Gazan civilians as possible during such operations for PR purposes.

No it's not " entirely " the " fault " of Hamas

The last conflict was initiated by Israel when it attacked and blamed Hamas for the murder of 3 Israeli teenagers carried out by a lone cell.
 
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