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Israel Opposes French-Sponsored Peace Conference With Palestinians

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surprise ... said no one
Israel Opposes French-Sponsored Peace Conference With Palestinians

... According to a statement from Netanyahu's office, the Israeli officials called for "direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority" and said "any other initiative only pushes the region further away from this process."

The statement added that "promoting such a conference will make the possibility of advancing the peace process much less likely” since it will allow Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority “to continue avoiding the decision to enter into direct negotiations without preconditions."

Netanyahu has repeatedly called on Abbas to meet for talks, but Abbas has refused unless Israel ends settlement construction and conducts a prisoner release that Netanyahu canceled. ...
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why the israeli opposition to peace talks involving another nation?
 
Bad for business, Israel is the most powerful puppet-state/military base of the US military-industrial complex.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Bad for business, Israel is the most powerful puppet-state/military base of the US military-industrial complex.
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Exactly.


Gotta keep selling those F16s, to help pay for r and d on the F22s, so that we can start selling those to our customers....er, I mean allies.
 
justabubba said:
surprise ... said no one
Israel Opposes French-Sponsored Peace Conference With Palestinians



why the israeli opposition to peace talks involving another nation?
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It was already discussed here several times so I don't see the point of opening yet another thread about it.
Israel opposes the French initiative for two main reasons; A) It isn't balanced. B) Peace cannot be forced from outside, Israel supports only direct negotiations between it and the Palestinian Authority.

The real question you should be asking is why are the Palestinians opposing and have been opposing for a while now any attempt to start up direct negotiations between the two parties and why are they putting preconditions to the very act of negotiating for peace.
 
Apocalypse said:
It was already discussed here several times so I don't see the point of opening yet another thread about it.
Israel opposes the French initiative for two main reasons; A) It isn't balanced. B) Peace cannot be forced from outside, Israel supports only direct negotiations between it and the Palestinian Authority.

The real question you should be asking is why are the Palestinians opposing and have been opposing for a while now any attempt to start up direct negotiations between the two parties and why are they putting preconditions to the very act of negotiating for peace.
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preconditions, such as israel's insistence that only israel and the palestinian authority participate?

still waiting for an answer why israel is opposed to participation in discussions by other nations
 
justabubba said:
preconditions, such as israel's insistence that only israel and the palestinian authority participate?

still waiting for an answer why israel is opposed to participation in discussions by other nations
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No, like saying "either fulfill this demand of us or there's no discussion between the two of us". Your question was answered, mine was not, I wonder why.
Hardly the first time you openly refuse to answer a question here. Last time I asked you nine times before recognizing that you're not willing to answer.
 
Apocalypse said:
No, like saying "either fulfill this demand of us or there's no discussion between the two of us". Your question was answered, mine was not, I wonder why.
Hardly the first time you openly refuse to answer a question here. Last time I asked you nine times before recognizing that you're not willing to answer.
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you refuse to acknowledge that israel's PREcondition to talks is that only the Palestinian authority participate with isreal to the exclusion of other nations

there is no legitimate basis for israel to insist on the exclusion of france from participation in the peace negotiations
 
The chance for peace has been long gone. It may have been possible before but, not now.
 
justabubba said:
you refuse to acknowledge that israel's PREcondition to talks is that only the Palestinian authority participate with isreal to the exclusion of other nations

there is no legitimate basis for israel to insist on the exclusion of france from participation in the peace negotiations
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I don't refuse anything, you're making a nonsensical statement by saying that telling the Palestinians you don't believe in anything that's not a direct negotiations between you and them is a precondition to negotiations.
It isn't and it makes no sense, where is the logic in that?

Of course it's legitimate for Israel to not accept France as a mediator, what's not legitimate is for the Palestinians to avoid negotiations for peace with Israel and you still haven't given your excuse to why they do it.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
The chance for peace has been long gone. It may have been possible before but, not now.
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all that needs to happen is for israel to return the Palestinian lands to the Palestinian people and get the hell out
matter solved
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Bad for business, Israel is the most powerful puppet-state/military base of the US military-industrial complex.
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I think you got it the other way round- Isreal is more of a puppetmaster than a puppet state of the US.
 
PoS said:
I think you got it the other way round- Isreal is more of a puppetmaster than a puppet state of the US.
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the tail that wags the dog for sure
 
justabubba said:
all that needs to happen is for israel to return the Palestinian lands to the Palestinian people and get the hell out
matter solved
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More likely what needs to happen is to have the Palestinians first of all agree to the concept of negotiating for peace, something they don't do.
Furthermore the term "return" cannot be applied here as the lands never belonged to a Palestinian state, that's just history revisionism and yet again an inability to accept basic facts.
The conflict will also never be solved as long as the security of Israeli citizens cannot be assured.
 
PoS said:
I think you got it the other way round- Isreal is more of a puppetmaster than a puppet state of the US.
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justabubba said:
the tail that wags the dog for sure
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There we have it folks, the good old conspiracy theory.
Please do go on and tell us all about how J00s control the US.
 
Apocalypse said:
More likely what needs to happen is to have the Palestinians first of all agree to the concept of negotiating for peace, something they don't do.
Furthermore the term "return" cannot be applied here as the lands never belonged to a Palestinian state, that's just history revisionism and yet again an inability to accept basic facts.
The conflict will also never be solved as long as the security of Israeli citizens cannot be assured.
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And what about the Palestinians who lived on the land they consider their home?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
And what about the Palestinians who lived on the land they consider their home?
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They should have a state of their own in those lands. Where's the contradiction here?
Being accurate when it comes to history is very important, not making up stuff is very important, that's the entire point of the second sentence in the comment you quoted.
 
Apocalypse said:
There we have it folks, the good old conspiracy theory.
Please do go on and tell us all about how J00s control the US.
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The league of nations should have looked inward before they created the fiasco to begin with.

A lesser people would have disappeared from the earth at the very beginning.

Long live Israel.
 
justabubba said:
surprise ... said no one
Israel Opposes French-Sponsored Peace Conference With Palestinians



why the israeli opposition to peace talks involving another nation?
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I think Israeli leaders will see the French as a threat in any negotiations. If there was to be any international input they would demand that it be the US they were involved , for obvious reasons.

Additionally , Israeli leaders only want direct talks with the PA because that's where they feel they would be able to force their agenda to the maximum. There is a consensus amongst many , myself included, that the PA are/have become collaborators with Israel and any deal would have to include the other Palestinian factions that have popular support for it to have any chance of success.

In short Israel only wants to deal with its collaborators
 
Apocalypse said:
They should have a state of their own in those lands. Where's the contradiction here?
Being accurate when it comes to history is very important, not making up stuff is very important, that's the entire point of the second sentence in the comment you quoted.
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The Palestinians who live in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip consider that to be their homes.
 
faithful_servant said:
Because of the unrealistic demands made by the Pals. to enter into negotiations - AS THE QUOTED PART OF THE OP CLEARLY STATED.
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but the Palestinians want to participate in talks in which the french are a participant

it is israel which does not agree to the french participation

and the question remains, why?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The Palestinians who live in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip consider that to be their homes.
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They consider more than that to be their home, but as I said where is the contradiction here? What in my post denies that they should get a state in these territories?
 
justabubba said:
all that needs to happen is for israel to return the Palestinian lands to the Palestinian people and get the hell out
matter solved
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they COULD, yea...but they'll probably just win another war against the arabs....again
 
oneworld2 said:
I think Israeli leaders will see the French as a threat in any negotiations. If there was to be any international input they would demand that it be the US they were involved , for obvious reasons.

Additionally , Israeli leaders only want direct talks with the PA because that's where they feel they would be able to force their agenda to the maximum. There is a consensus amongst many , myself included, that the PA are/have become collaborators with Israel and any deal would have to include the other Palestinian factions that have popular support for it to have any chance of success.

In short Israel only wants to deal with its collaborators
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The notion that the Palestinian Authority has Israel's interests at heart is pretty much the most surreal argument I have seen made about this conflict, at least in a while.
 
Apocalypse said:
They consider more than that to be their home, but as I said where is the contradiction here? What in my post denies that they should get a state in these territories?
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No where in your post do you deny that the Palestinians should get a state in these territories.

What I want to add is that settlements have to be stopped being built as a precondition to the peace talks.
 
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