Netanyahu welcomes peace in the tensions between Israel and Palestine

Chagos · May 30, 2016

RetiredUSN said:
There were normal every day Arabs that helped the Jews in many regions of the Middle east. Many Jews and Arabs lived alongside each other peacefully in these regions. I am talking about everyday people, not governments. Much of the middle east antisemitism was generated by the Arab warlords, and the Arab government officials who kept stirring up the frenzy.

I was actually referring to calm's historically ludicrous claims regarding Morocco and Palestine Mandate. The administration in neither entity was "asylum friendly".

Whatever any Arab population had to do in the unfriendliness or not, they had absolutely no say in it whatsoever. And we're talking holocaust refugees here, not Jews that had already lived in the respective areas for centuries and could hardly be considered "European" (primarily Ashkenazim).

What every day Polish people did for the Jews was very courageous.

Absolutely.

P.S. In case it has escaped you, calm is continuously trying to build a case against Jews. Here by falsifying facts with the intention to show that Arabs were always friendly towards them, the demonstrated antagonism being just a Zionist slander case.

Even before the 1930s, Palestinian Arabs were in majority totally hostile and it didn't take any warlord to instigate that. Had it not been for the British catastrophic policy of tending to Arab sensibilities, far more would have survived the Holocaust by being granted entry there. But one need remember that the initiative for this repressive policy came from the Arabs, within and without British Palestine.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a religious power and made overtures towards Hitler to the point of being invited to and greeted in Nazi Germany with pomp and glory.

Chagos · May 30, 2016

calm said:
....................I think this should be my last comment on this topic

In view of what follows, so do I.

unless otherwise requested to.

Where I'm concerned, don't hold your breath.

Anti-semitic group blogs may be your favourite source but that doesn't make them reputable sources of reporting.

calm · May 30, 2016

Being called an anti-Semite is like being called a child molester .... I was always advised to reply to an accusation of being an anti-Semite with .....

"Your mother eats dirt".

Calm

Chagos · May 30, 2016

calm said:
Being called an anti-Semite is like being called a child molester .... I was always advised to reply to an accusation of being an anti-Semite with .....

"Your mother eats dirt".

Calm

You alone know in your heart what you are (if you prize honesty sufficiently), others can only go by your behaviour and the nature of the sources you habitually cite. Which suffices completely for assessment.

As to what connections you make to child molestations, anyone's mothers or what they eat, that also paints a further picture of you which most won't find all that endearing.

calm · May 30, 2016

Apocalypse said:
Your reference to the British and the French as "Palestine and Morocco" says a lot about how informed you are of the history of mankind, and that is without referring to the actual claim about granting refuge which is also inaccurate.

If your claims that Jewish Folks were not seeking refuge in Poland, Palestine or Morocco, Well some sought refuge with Stalin and The Clowns.

Russian and foreign historians are unsure of the full number of Lenin and Stalin’s victims. Estimates range from 20–40 million total deaths from 1922 to 1953 – and this awesome figure does not include deaths in World War II.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in Stalin's government and the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.

And, this is a Jewish Owned Website .... So please don't give me the Anti-Semite trip.
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3342999,00.html

During the bitter winter of 1932–33, 25,000 Ukrainians per day were being shot or dying of starvation and cold.

In 1932–33, Stalin unleashed genocide against Ukraine’s independent-minded farmers. Six to seven million Ukrainians were shot or purposely starved to death. Starving Ukrainians even resorted to cannibalism. The man who directed this genocide, Lazar Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann ....

From 1934–1941 alone, some 7 million victims were sent to the system of concentration camps known as the "gulag," including one million Poles, hundreds of thousands Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians, and half the entire Muslim Chechen and Ingush people. Volga Germans, Crimean Tatars, Bashkirs, Kalmyks followed. Stalin’s gulag did not need gas chambers: cold, disease and overwork killed 30% of inmates yearly.

The souls of Stalin's millions of victims still cry out for justice.

Calm

Chagos · May 31, 2016

calm said:
If your claims that Jewish Folks were not seeking refuge in Poland, Palestine or Morocco,............

Since that claim was never made by anyone here, your resulting and totally off topic gish gallop to follow is completely without value to the context of this discussion.

To get back on track, your original claim of the Arabs of Morocco and Palestine having offered the European Jews refuge from the ongoing holocaust, has been revealed as the nonsense that it is.

Trying to change the subject to Stalin's realm is a pretty silly attempt at deflection. Silly, that is, in holding no premise of success in deflecting.

don't give me the Anti-Semite trip.

nobody has to, the nature of your persistent "voyage" being quite apparent.

ido_ · May 31, 2016

calm said:
New Settlements Since Oslo .....

Israel now calls "Illegal Outposts" as being "New Neighbourhoods Of Existing Settlements" even when they are a mile, or miles, away from that settlement.

And they expand the "security perimeter".

Calm

Illegal outposts are illegal, and Israel often evacuates such outposts, see Amona, see Migron.
Obviously the IDF protects people who live in those locations as well, even criminals need protection from terrorists.

calm · May 31, 2016

Israel Remapped West Bank Land to Pave Way for Settlement Construction
Civil Administration project would allow government to use areas designated as 'state-owned land' to expand existing isolated settlements.
By Chaim Levinson
May 31, 2016
Israel Remapped West Bank Land to Pave Way for Settlement Construction - Israel News - Haaretz
....

In order to permit construction on land that was declared as state land before 1999, the Civil Administration is required to map it again.

Mapping over 15,000 acres is a significant increase in the rate of mapping carried out, in comparison to previous years. In 2014 only 5,000 acres were mapped, while in 2013 slightly over 3,000 acres were mapped.

Apparently, one of the objectives of the new mapping is to prevent Palestinians living in military fire zones from petitioning the High Court of Justice against the activity taking place near their homes.

The assumption is that if the mapping clarifies that the land is state land, Israel can argue that Palestinian houses were built on it after the area was designated as state land.

Judging by the distribution of these areas, one can assess where the state is intending to allow settlements to be built. Thus, 240 acres were mapped near Nokdim. Almost one acre is near the settlement of Gitit. Almost 11 mapped acres near Tarkumiya are not close to any existing settlement.

Settlement researcher Dror Etkes, who analyzed the data, told Haaretz that “it’s important to realize that these mapping efforts are directed almost exclusively deep into the West Bank and to settlements that are far from the settlement blocs, and to areas designated earlier by Israel as fire zones, even though it’s obvious that they comprise part of the pool of land that Israel is gradually handing over to settlements.”

calm · May 31, 2016

Chagos said:
Trying to change the subject to Stalin's realm is a pretty silly attempt at deflection. Silly, that is, in holding no premise of success in deflecting.nobody has to, the nature of your persistent "voyage" being quite apparent.

Do you think maybe that the history of Stalin had anything to do with so many European countries not encouraging Jews entry (rescued) and in some cases expelled, and perhaps intensified anti-Semitism?

Also, I viewed your posting habits and it seems to me that you are intensely interested in "Islam" and "Islamophobia" in the same way that I am interested in the Israel/Palestine issue. (You have hundreds of posts dealing with anything which concerns "Arab/Muslim" and you appear to find most any excuse to add negative views.)

Have you ever posted anything "Postive" concerning Muslim or Arab issues?

Have you got a hatred goin' on or is it just a matter of keen interest as mine is with Israel?

Calm

Chagos · May 31, 2016

calm said:
Do you think maybe that the history of Stalin had anything to do with so many European countries not encouraging Jews entry (rescued) and in some cases expelled, and perhaps intensified anti-Semitism?

I happen to think that it has little to do HERE with Nbetanyahu welcoming (or not) peace. And where this all has already drifted off into arguing what is (and what is not) a new settlement, not to mention which Arabs gave refuge to European escapees, you bringing in the Soviets of 70 and more years ago takes the whole thing totally OT.

Even where a certain percentage of digression may be tolerable.

Also, I viewed your posting habits and it seems to me that you are intensely interested in "Islam" and "Islamophobia" in the same way that I am interested in the Israel/Palestine issue. (You have hundreds of posts dealing with anything which concerns "Arab/Muslim" and you appear to find most any excuse to add negative views.)

Have you ever posted anything "Postive" concerning Muslim or Arab issues?

Have you got a hatred goin' on or is it just a matter of keen interest as mine is with Israel?

Viewing is then, in your case, clearly not reading, let alone understanding. To deduce from ANYthing I post on the rampant Islamophobia reigning here that I actually share it, has got to be the height of foolishness. If you had shown any amount of reading comprehension you'd have gathered that I speak out against All summary condemnations. In opposition to both Islamophobes and anti-semites.

And since you find it convenient to insinuate hatred existing in others, we can all see what your so-called keen interest in Israel is actually made of.

CJ 2.0 · May 31, 2016

calm said:
Do you think maybe that the history of Stalin had anything to do with so many European countries not encouraging Jews entry (rescued) and in some cases expelled, and perhaps intensified anti-Semitism?

LOL. So we're going with the Jews as communists branch of antisemitism today? Sure, who can blame folks for hating Jews - they were communists, after all....

Maybe tomorrow we can push the everybody hates the Jews because of capitalism line? That one is a bit more fun.

Plus, then we can push towards full antisemetic incoherence, the antisemetic equivalent of Nirvana...

calm · May 31, 2016

CJ 2.0 said:
LOL. So we're going with the Jews as communists branch of antisemitism today? Sure, who can blame folks for hating Jews - they were communists, after all....

Maybe tomorrow we can push the everybody hates the Jews because of capitalism line? That one is a bit more fun.

Plus, then we can push towards full antisemetic incoherence, the antisemetic equivalent of Nirvana...

I didn't blame the Jews for anything .... I blamed the European Population for taking the support of Stalin and imposing it upon the Jewish Folks throughout Europe.

And it was not about being Communists .... it was the massacres being carried out by Stalin.

I said nothing about it being fair.

Please quit reading anti-Semitism into everything I say.

Calm

calm · May 31, 2016

Chagos said:
I happen to think that it has little to do HERE with Nbetanyahu welcoming (or not) peace. And where this all has already drifted off into arguing what is (and what is not) a new settlement, not to mention which Arabs gave refuge to European escapees, you bringing in the Soviets of 70 and more years ago takes the whole thing totally OT.

Even where a certain percentage of digression may be tolerable.Viewing is then, in your case, clearly not reading, let alone understanding. To deduce from ANYthing I post on the rampant Islamophobia reigning here that I actually share it, has got to be the height of foolishness. If you had shown any amount of reading comprehension you'd have gathered that I speak out against All summary condemnations. In opposition to both Islamophobes and anti-semites.

And since you find it convenient to insinuate hatred existing in others, we can all see what your so-called keen interest in Israel is actually made of.

Point (link) me to 5 recent posts (within the last 30 days) where you defended Arabs or Muslims or wrote anything positive on the topic?

From what I read, a huge (a really huge) amount of your posts are negative towards Muslims and Arabs.

And since Arabs are a Semitic People or Semitic culture, does that make you Anti-Semitic?

Calm

Chagos · May 31, 2016

calm said:
Point (link) me to 5 recent posts (within the last 30 days) where you defended Arabs or Muslims or wrote anything positive on the topic?

From what I read, a huge (a really huge) amount of your posts are negative towards Muslims and Arabs.

And since Arabs are a Semitic People or Semitic culture, does that make you Anti-Semitic?

Calm

You know what, mate? YOU point ME to the last 20 (twenty) posts of mine where I didn't defend Muslims against wholesale condemnations.

You made the absolute silly claim, now YOU substantiate it.

I won't even comment on the Semite issue that you prevaricatingly raise. Judenhass is Judenhass.

calm · May 31, 2016

Chagos said:
You know what, mate? YOU point ME to the last 20 (twenty) posts of mine where I didn't defend Muslims against wholesale condemnations.

You made the absolute silly claim, now YOU substantiate it.

I won't even comment on the Semite issue that you prevaricatingly raise. Judenhass is Judenhass.

I am still waiting for 5 links.

Calm

American · May 31, 2016

AFM said:
Israel will never accept a Palestinian nation no matter what they do, Israel will continue to move new settlement onto Palestinian lands no matter what the US says or does as the US is a crooked peace broker, and besides Jew York is running the American political system

It always comes down to the joos, doesn't it? Netanyahu supports two states, AFTER the Palestinian recognizes Israel as a Jewish state.

Netanyahu: Situation not ripe for two-state solution | The Times of Israel

Chagos · May 31, 2016

calm said:
I am still waiting for 5 links.

Calm

Sufficiently OT by now, you go find whatever. I'm not contributing to your deflections any further.

calm · May 31, 2016

Chagos said:
Sufficiently OT by now, you go find whatever. I'm not contributing to your deflections any further.

And it was you who introduced the term "Anti-Semetic" and yet now would claim and hide behind a feeble excuse that it is off topic.

Typical You ..... Just too tired and disinterested to provide the links.

Prove me a liar, or else my statement is accurate and your an Anti-Semite just as you claim me to be.

5 links during the past 30 days is all I ask.

No Guts, eh?

Calm

Chagos · May 31, 2016

American said:
It always comes down to the joos, doesn't it? Netanyahu supports two states, AFTER the Palestinian recognizes Israel as a Jewish state.

Netanyahu: Situation not ripe for two-state solution | The Times of Israel

More curiously, the direct opposite of anyone that would be seen as either appeasing or indeed liberal supports a two state solution (or at least says so).

Lieberman says he backs two-state solution

Lieberman, to many the incarnation of "right wing" ultra-nationalist. Strange indeed, eh wot? Stranger still how some just won't abide by the narrative.

Chagos · May 31, 2016

calm said:
Typical You ..... Just too tired and disinterested to provide the links.

Prove me a liar, or else your an Anti-Semite just as you claim me to be.

Calm

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