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"Move Israel to the US" Naz Shah disgraced [W:12:46]

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I thought that this article was rather informative ....

How Israel lobby manufactured UK Labour Party's anti-Semitism crisis
By Asa Winstanley
April 28, 2016
https://electronicintifada.net/cont...d-uk-labour-partys-anti-semitism-crisis/16481

This article details the complete history of the topic ....

Carnival of Ignorance
Carnival of ignorance | Jews for Justice for Palestinians


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The map was first posted By Norman Finkelstein ... "Solution for Israel-Palestine Conflict‏"
August 04, 2014
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So not only is she being falsely attacked for being an anti semite just for this picture, but the picture itself was created by a well known political science Phd from princeton who is the son of two holocaust survivors...... thats too perfect
 
Re: "Move Israel to the US" Naz Shah disgraced [W:12]

That's rich. I was gracious enough not to call you out on your original cop-out for the sake of the discussion. Now you turn around and accuse me of a cop-out. It's one thing to lose an argument - it happens to all of us, but it's another to seek refuge in obstinacy.

Your question hinges on the principle of self-determination, but I demonstrated Zionism's disdain for it. Until you address that argument and explain why we must extend the principle to a people that deny it to others, you can parrot the question to yourself.
The thread deals with the premise of resettling Israelis elsewhere. Israelis.

I raised the question of whether they might be asked their take on it. "Their take" signifying the Israeli's take.

Does that help?
 
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The American Jewish scholar behind Labour’s ‘antisemitism’ scandal breaks his silence
Norman G. Finkelstein talks Naz Shah MP, Ken Livingstone, and the Labour ‘antisemitism’ controversy.
By Jamie Stern-Weiner and Norman Finkelstein
May 03, 2016
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/ja...h-scholar-behind-labour-s-antisemitism-scanda

These campaigns occur at regular intervals, correlating with Israel’s periodic massacres and consequent political isolation. If you search your nearest library catalogue for ‘new antisemitism’, you’ll come up with titles from the 1970s proclaiming a ‘new antisemitism’, titles from the 1980s proclaiming a ‘new antisemitism’, titles from the 1990s proclaiming a ‘new antisemitism’, and then a huge uptick, including from British writers, during the so-called Second Intifada from 2001. Let’s not forget, just last year there was a hysteria in the UK over antisemitism. A couple of ridiculous polls purported to find that nearly half of Britons held an antisemitic belief and that most British Jews feared for their future in the UK. Although these polls were dismissed by specialists, they triggered the usual media feeding frenzy, as the Telegraph, the Guardian and the Independent hyperventilated about this ‘rampant’ ‘new antisemitism’. It was exposed as complete nonsense when, in April 2015, a reputable poll by Pew found that the level of antisemitism in the UK had remained stable, at an underwhelming seven percent.

This farce happened only last year. One would have imagined that its mongers would be hiding in shame, and that we would enjoy at least a brief respite from the theatrics. But lo and behold, in the blink of an eye, right in the wake of the Pew poll showing that antisemitism in the UK is marginal, the hysteria has started up all over again. The reality is, there is probably more prejudice in the UK against fat people than there is prejudice against Jews.

Ask yourself a simple, but serious, question. You go for a job interview. Which trait is most likely to work against you: if you’re ugly, if you’re fat, if you’re short, or if you’re Jewish? It’s perhaps a sad commentary on our society’s values, but the trait most likely to elicit a rejection letter is if you’re ugly. Then fat; then short. The factor least likely to work against you is, if you’re Jewish. On the contrary, aren’t Jews smart and ambitious? Pew found antisemitism levels at seven percent. Is that grounds for a national hysteria? A May 2015 YouGov poll found that 40 percent of UK adults don’t like Muslims and nearly 60 percent don’t like Roma. Imagine what it’s like to apply for a job if you’re a Roma! So where is your order of moral priorities?
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In order to put an end to this, there has to be a decisive repudiation of this political blackmail. Bernie Sanders was brutally pressured to back down on his claim that Israel had used disproportionate force during its 2014 assault on Gaza. He wouldn’t budge, he wouldn’t retreat. He showed real backbone. Corbyn should take heart and inspiration from Bernie’s example. He has to say: no more reports, no more investigations, we’re not going there any more. The game is up. It’s long past time that these antisemitism-mongers crawled back into their sewer – but not before humbly apologising to Naz Shah, and begging her forgiveness.
 
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The American Jewish scholar behind Labour’s ‘antisemitism’ scandal breaks his silence
Norman G. Finkelstein talks Naz Shah MP, Ken Livingstone, and the Labour ‘antisemitism’ controversy.
By Jamie Stern-Weiner and Norman Finkelstein
May 03, 2016
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/ja...h-scholar-behind-labour-s-antisemitism-scanda

she resigned from the Home Affairs Select Committee today
"This will be with immediate effect. The committee unanimously agreed with the decision taken by her."

Ms Shah was also sacked as an aide to Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell when the allegations first came to light.

Apologising in the House of Commons she said: "I have made mistakes and I wholeheartedly apologise to this House for the words I used before I became a Member. I accept and understand that the words I used caused upset and hurt to the Jewish community and I deeply regret that.

“Antisemitism is racism, full stop. As an MP, I will do everything in my power to build relations between Muslims, Jews, and people of different faiths and none. I am grateful and very thankful for the support and advice I have received from many Jewish friends and colleagues – advice I intend to act upon.

“I truly regret what I did and I hope – I sincerely hope – that this House will accept my profound apology.”

Bradford Synagogue came out in for support for Ms Shah saying: “While it is not appropriate for the synagogue to get involved in the internal affairs of any political party, on a personal level we would like to say that Naz Shah MP has been to a number of events at Bradford Synagogue both before and after her election as MP for Bradford West.

Naz Shah resigns from Home Affairs Select Committee over Labour anti-Semitism row | UK Politics | News | The Independent

does this hysteria over antisemitism happen alot in the UK? they are blatantly conflating anti-zionism with antisemitism, which is ridiculous because there are plenty of jews and rabbis who are antizionist, Norman Finklestein being a perfect example, and I'm actually a little surprised that any official action is being taken over this,
 
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does this hysteria over antisemitism happen alot in the UK?

My Reply:

I follow this issue rather closely. I have a large database on this topic if you were interested.

These type of accusations happen all over the world. It seems that with each criticism of Israel, the Pro-Israel supporters attempt to deflect or defend themselves by hauling out an Ol' Holocaust T-Shirt once worn by a holocaust survivor.

I easily understand that the 1930's thru 1945 were extremely painful for the Jewish Folks, but I was born in 1948 and I do not feel responsible at all for the holocaust.

But, I do feel responsible for the holocaust being carried out upon the People of Palestine, because it is happening on my watch.

"I think the answer is that in the past, if you take the 1960s, 1970s and early 80s, the scholarly record and the documentary record, it seemed to be supporting Israel's position. And so Israelis and their supporters didn't typically charge anti-Semitism. What they did was tell you to look at the record, look at the history and see that it supports their claims. Beginning in the late 1980s and 1990s the work of important Israeli historians as well as the documentary record of human rights organizations, Israel's record did not look as good as it once did.
And it turned out that many of the things that people thought were the case when they came to Israel actually turned out not to be the case.
Thus Israel's position both historically and in terms of its current human rights record, as that position became more indefensible - it was then that the charges of anti-Semitism began to be hurled with reckless abandon.
Because there was no other way to respond to the charges of what Israel has done and is doing. It's wrong."

--Norman G. Finkelstein, May 25, 2006--

I have expressed my views as per the holocaust here:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/religion-and-politics/222198-view-class-warfare-and-anti-semitism.html

Calm
 
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