You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.......

Northern Light said:

Comparing me to Islamic extremists is just the type of hyperpartisan thing I have come to expect from you, Apocalypse. Ideas can't be discussed in vacuo without someone like you showing up to display extreme and unreasonable criticism because you are personally offended. You can't talk about it without making it personal, every single time. Like telling me what I feel... that I'm enraged, when actually I have zero rage. And this discussion isn't about me.

So you can stop immaturely flaming me right now by calling me ridiculous or trying to ridicule me because it won't work. I see right through you. I'm here to discuss ideas not attack you or anyone. I am neither for nor against Israel nor for or against Palestine, I am against the ongoing violence just like a lot of observers. If my explorations of the topic offend you, that's none of my business. Keep your patronizing remarks to yourself.

And really, your reactions are endemic to this whole area of politics. Americans are virtually incapable of discussing this topic rationally. Any critique of Israel, any perceived slight, and you get compared to extremists. It's boring and typical.

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Prophecy of rage doesn't require you to actually be enraged. I'm sorry if you're not familiar with the concept. Saying that you're doing what they're doing doesn't mean I compared you to them, merely that I pointed out how it's the same broken idea you're repeating here. You did promote a ridiculous idea so you only have yourself to blame for that, you simply claimed that a state's capital can become internationally governed just like that without the will of the nation controlling it.

<alt>doxygen said:

Most of the millions of people in the U.S. that support the Israeli expansionist policies do so because they see it as a step towards the end-times, which they can't wait to happen. IOW, because : God. I doubt many care about the people much at all. In their book, 66% of the Jews will also die and go to hell.

You are probably referring to Bibi and his ilk. They do want the land. Because they believe God gave it to them.

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Where are these millions of people? I have never met a single Christian that has ever said anything about supporting Isreal because of some step towards the end times and I live in the Bible belt.

Nap said:

Where are these millions of people? I have never met a single Christian that has ever said anything about supporting Isreal because of some step towards the end times and I live in the Bible belt.

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https://endtimestruth.com/trump-to-recognize-jerusalem-as-israels-capital/
https://endtime.com/prophecy-news/trump-move-u-s-embassy-jerusalem-2019-pence-says/
https://www.inquisitr.com/4899793/d...-u-s-embassy-to-jerusalem-says-jeanine-pirro/
How Donald Trump Moving The U.S. Embassy From Tel Aviv To Jerusalem Could Trigger The Psalm 83 War ? Now The End Begins
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Most people, unsaved people, honestly probably didn’t even bat an eye when he said as most people don’t really care about what happens in tiny, little Israel. But to the Bible believing Christian, those words rang out with a clarion call that something really big just appeared on the end times prophecy radar. Back on October 28, 2016, the headline over on jpost.com was “Ivanka Trump Says Her Father Will Move US Embassy To Jerusalem ‘100%’ If Elected“.

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Now that you know that, can you see why there is coming such a fierce battle over Jerusalem? Because Jerusalem is God’s Holy Place, the Bible calls it the “city of the great King”. Why? Because it will be to Jerusalem that Jesus will return to as King of Kings and will rule with a “rod of iron” over the nations. That’s why. The coming battles that will take place there will be fought through humans, but it is actually a battle between God and the Devil. So now let’s take a look at Psalm 83, there is a war mentioned there connected with the time of Jacob’s trouble.

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Those are a few links from the first page of a search. There are many, many more. I hear the Christians on the radio saying this stuff all the time. This is the American "religious right" wing, and they are a very important part of Trump's support. Kinda funny since Trump is the antithesis of the values they claim are important to them.

Their only real "value" seems to be a form of 'End Justifies Means' (and power, and money). They don't care at all who gets hurt in the process.

Apocalypse said:

Prophecy of rage doesn't require you to actually be enraged. I'm sorry if you're not familiar with the concept. Saying that you're doing what they're doing doesn't mean I compared you to them, merely that I pointed out how it's the same broken idea you're repeating here. You did promote a ridiculous idea so you only have yourself to blame for that, you simply claimed that a state's capital can become internationally governed just like that without the will of the nation controlling it.

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No it wouldn't be "just like that". You're nitpicking because you're offended, it's obvious. I proposed an idea, albeit an imperfect one. It's not like I spent 50 hours formulating a perfect plan on how it would happen. I never said Israel would be internationally usurped by force. Maybe it would come down to a referendum, I don't know.

The Muslim extremists will never stop attacking Israel so long as Jews hold Israel. The Jews will never let Muslims rule Israel, or even co-rule it. The extremist tribes will never be stamped out -- the western powers (esp. the USA) have thrown everything at the Mid-east and only achieved light to moderate change. These people are not going to change their violent, racist and xenophobic disposition. We should either wash our hands of it or neutralize the political bias by placing the holy lands under neutral international control.

But I just realized a fatal flaw in my idea... which is that I don't think extremists would settle for that. They want to rule it, that is their #1 goal. They need to wave their flag aboveit.

Anyway, I don't find you to be a reasonable debate opponent, in fact you are deliberately personal and hostile, so I'd rather not continue. I believe I've made my point, for what it's worth. Thanks.

ALTOY459 said:

If you REALLY think that this is about just God you must be deluded. God is obviously a front for the real motivations, which is the extermination of the Palestinian people, land, and power/money.

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Right. Because Israel invaded nations in 48, 67, 73 and launched rocket attacks and suicide bombrrs for decades... oh... wait... they were the victims.

Serenity said:

I said that it's a crying shame that I'll likely never see peace between the Israelis and Palestinians in my lifetime. Hardly a unreasonable position to hold. That's what most reasonable people would wish for.

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Necro awesome!

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Too many people filled with hate. This issue will never end.

<alt>doxygen said:

https://endtimestruth.com/trump-to-recognize-jerusalem-as-israels-capital/
https://endtime.com/prophecy-news/trump-move-u-s-embassy-jerusalem-2019-pence-says/
https://www.inquisitr.com/4899793/d...-u-s-embassy-to-jerusalem-says-jeanine-pirro/
How Donald Trump Moving The U.S. Embassy From Tel Aviv To Jerusalem Could Trigger The Psalm 83 War ? Now The End Begins
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Those are a few links from the first page of a search. There are many, many more. I hear the Christians on the radio saying this stuff all the time. This is the American "religious right" wing, and they are a very important part of Trump's support. Kinda funny since Trump is the antithesis of the values they claim are important to them.

Their only real "value" seems to be a form of 'End Justifies Means' (and power, and money). They don't care at all who gets hurt in the process.

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I think you are painting with a little too large of a brush. Those people aren't mainstream Christians. Are there some wacky fundamentalist Christians? Of course, but if you walked down the street and asked random Christians why they support Isreal I highly doubt you will find even one person that says it is due to ushering in the end times.

Serenity said:

I said that it's a crying shame that I'll likely never see peace between the Israelis and Palestinians in my lifetime. Hardly a unreasonable position to hold. That's what most reasonable people would wish for.

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The only way peace will ever hold in that part of the world, is for religion to fade away, and that doesn't seem likely. But, be of good cheer, the Israel/Pali conflict pales in comparison to the centuries-old Sunni-Shia conflict, which, at this very minute threatens to rip Syria apart. The violence and the death toll in the Israel-Pali saga is small, indeed, to the death toll between the other factions that have been warring for so very, very long.

I've come to understand that it's a way of life in that region.