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Why I am not surprised? Signing a deal with the devil

Do you believe that the reason for signing the deal with the Taliban was:

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I thought the Taliban was an enemy of the United States and the American people. Taliban harbored terrorist Osama Bin Laden and AL-Qaeda responsible for 9/11. And until now, they harbor terrorist Ayman Al Zawahiri, the new AL-Qaeda CEO. To add salt to the wound, a few weeks ago, the Taliban attacked Camp Shorabak, the American & Afghani base in the province of Helmand killing and wounding over 370 American and Afghani soldiers. The attack was just a few days before Christmas, a friendly gesture from the Taliban to the Americans, and their local allies. We are here, we can fight back, we can launch deadly attacks and we are going nowhere, Taliban communicating.


Afghans know the Americans better than anybody. They were their allies in the 80s and 90s. However, they turn to their enemies after 9/11. The Taliban were harboring terrorists, and it was a primary target for mighty American ground and air forces. The fight has been going since that date. American forces and their allies control the ground in the day while the Taliban in night. Americans finally decide that it is time to quit Afghanistan after securing a deal to the petroleum pipeline and the opium fields. Two birds with one stone, can't find a better deal. Afghanistan is the country never conquered, read the history, Uncle Sam.


Now, who sponsors the sign of the Agreement and the negotiation? The Pin Header size emirates of Qatar. This is the country Yusif Al Qaradawi, the grand mufti of the Muslim Brotherhood lives. Qatar became since 2005 a major sponsor for democratic movements in the Middle East. Al-Jazeera promotes reform everywhere except Qatar. Barack Obama mocks Qatari prince one time that he is a double standard, promotes democracy but he isn't democratic. Moreover, major funding channels for all terrorist organizations, the Taliban is just one. Now, the Taliban opens office in Qatar, nearby the largest American base outside American soil.


Now a couple of things to finish the thread. The first one is that as a part of the deal, just before the voting day in the next presidential elections, Ayman Al Zawahiri will be killed in an attack on some house he was hiding in Afghanistan. We are all familiar with this kind of political shenanigans, like what Obama and Hilary did with Osama Bin Laden. The second one is that the Taliban is buddies with the Americans, and Opium production shouldn't be disrupted. Afghanistan is all about Oil pipelines and Opium, not freedom and liberty.


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If Afghanistan stays peaceful, they don't attack their neighbors, they don't harbor terrorists, we win.

If Afghanistan descends into chaos and becomes a home to Al Qeada or ISIS, we lose.

We were never planning on making Afghanistan the 51st state.
 
stan1990 said:
I thought the Taliban was an enemy of the United States and the American people. Taliban harbored terrorist Osama Bin Laden and AL-Qaeda responsible for 9/11. And until now, they harbor terrorist Ayman Al Zawahiri, the new AL-Qaeda CEO. To add salt to the wound, a few weeks ago, the Taliban attacked Camp Shorabak, the American & Afghani base in the province of Helmand killing and wounding over 370 American and Afghani soldiers. The attack was just a few days before Christmas, a friendly gesture from the Taliban to the Americans, and their local allies. We are here, we can fight back, we can launch deadly attacks and we are going nowhere, Taliban communicating.


Afghans know the Americans better than anybody. They were their allies in the 80s and 90s. However, they turn to their enemies after 9/11. The Taliban were harboring terrorists, and it was a primary target for mighty American ground and air forces. The fight has been going since that date. American forces and their allies control the ground in the day while the Taliban in night. Americans finally decide that it is time to quit Afghanistan after securing a deal to the petroleum pipeline and the opium fields. Two birds with one stone, can't find a better deal. Afghanistan is the country never conquered, read the history, Uncle Sam.


Now, who sponsors the sign of the Agreement and the negotiation? The Pin Header size emirates of Qatar. This is the country Yusif Al Qaradawi, the grand mufti of the Muslim Brotherhood lives. Qatar became since 2005 a major sponsor for democratic movements in the Middle East. Al-Jazeera promotes reform everywhere except Qatar. Barack Obama mocks Qatari prince one time that he is a double standard, promotes democracy but he isn't democratic. Moreover, major funding channels for all terrorist organizations, the Taliban is just one. Now, the Taliban opens office in Qatar, nearby the largest American base outside American soil.


Now a couple of things to finish the thread. The first one is that as a part of the deal, just before the voting day in the next presidential elections, Ayman Al Zawahiri will be killed in an attack on some house he was hiding in Afghanistan. We are all familiar with this kind of political shenanigans, like what Obama and Hilary did with Osama Bin Laden. The second one is that the Taliban is buddies with the Americans, and Opium production shouldn't be disrupted. Afghanistan is all about Oil pipelines and Opium, not freedom and liberty.


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First of all the Afghans we assisted were not the Taliban.

The Taliban rose up later.

Secondly we booted the Taliban out of power.

Why does it bother you so much that the US is leaving Afghanistan?
 
stan1990 said:
I thought the Taliban was an enemy of the United States and the American people. Taliban harbored terrorist Osama Bin Laden and AL-Qaeda responsible for 9/11. And until now, they harbor terrorist Ayman Al Zawahiri, the new AL-Qaeda CEO. To add salt to the wound, a few weeks ago, the Taliban attacked Camp Shorabak, the American & Afghani base in the province of Helmand killing and wounding over 370 American and Afghani soldiers. The attack was just a few days before Christmas, a friendly gesture from the Taliban to the Americans, and their local allies. We are here, we can fight back, we can launch deadly attacks and we are going nowhere, Taliban communicating.


Afghans know the Americans better than anybody. They were their allies in the 80s and 90s. However, they turn to their enemies after 9/11. The Taliban were harboring terrorists, and it was a primary target for mighty American ground and air forces. The fight has been going since that date. American forces and their allies control the ground in the day while the Taliban in night. Americans finally decide that it is time to quit Afghanistan after securing a deal to the petroleum pipeline and the opium fields. Two birds with one stone, can't find a better deal. Afghanistan is the country never conquered, read the history, Uncle Sam.


Now, who sponsors the sign of the Agreement and the negotiation? The Pin Header size emirates of Qatar. This is the country Yusif Al Qaradawi, the grand mufti of the Muslim Brotherhood lives. Qatar became since 2005 a major sponsor for democratic movements in the Middle East. Al-Jazeera promotes reform everywhere except Qatar. Barack Obama mocks Qatari prince one time that he is a double standard, promotes democracy but he isn't democratic. Moreover, major funding channels for all terrorist organizations, the Taliban is just one. Now, the Taliban opens office in Qatar, nearby the largest American base outside American soil.


Now a couple of things to finish the thread. The first one is that as a part of the deal, just before the voting day in the next presidential elections, Ayman Al Zawahiri will be killed in an attack on some house he was hiding in Afghanistan. We are all familiar with this kind of political shenanigans, like what Obama and Hilary did with Osama Bin Laden. The second one is that the Taliban is buddies with the Americans, and Opium production shouldn't be disrupted. Afghanistan is all about Oil pipelines and Opium, not freedom and liberty.


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So...what do YOU propose? Keep US forces there indefinitely? Or just pull out and let the place revert to its normal conditions? Or do you have something else in mind?
 
swing_voter said:
If Afghanistan stays peaceful, they don't attack their neighbors, they don't harbor terrorists, we win.

If Afghanistan descends into chaos and becomes a home to Al Qeada or ISIS, we lose.

We were never planning on making Afghanistan the 51st state.
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A dog tail will never be straight, and so Taliban. They are Dark ages style. And they are against female education too.
 
Fledermaus said:
First of all the Afghans we assisted were not the Taliban.

The Taliban rose up later.

Secondly we booted the Taliban out of power.

Why does it bother you so much that the US is leaving Afghanistan?
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You are wrong again. Hilary Clinton disagrees with you. And why you are bothered with me being accused of being bothered that American troops will be pulled out of Afghanistan.
 
Mycroft said:
So...what do YOU propose? Keep US forces there indefinitely? Or just pull out and let the place revert to its normal conditions? Or do you have something else in mind?
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I have something in mind. What is that all about if they will be buddies with Taliban at the end?
 
Mycroft said:
So...what do YOU propose? Keep US forces there indefinitely? Or just pull out and let the place revert to its normal conditions? Or do you have something else in mind?
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What do you suggest?
 
Fledermaus said:
First of all the Afghans we assisted were not the Taliban.

The Taliban rose up later.

Secondly we booted the Taliban out of power.

Why does it bother you so much that the US is leaving Afghanistan?
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You are wrong again
 
A deal is theater. We are leaving they are staying.
 
stan1990 said:
I thought the Taliban was an enemy of the United States and the American people. Taliban harbored terrorist Osama Bin Laden and AL-Qaeda responsible for 9/11. And until now, they harbor terrorist Ayman Al Zawahiri, the new AL-Qaeda CEO. To add salt to the wound, a few weeks ago, the Taliban attacked Camp Shorabak, the American & Afghani base in the province of Helmand killing and wounding over 370 American and Afghani soldiers. The attack was just a few days before Christmas, a friendly gesture from the Taliban to the Americans, and their local allies. We are here, we can fight back, we can launch deadly attacks and we are going nowhere, Taliban communicating.


Afghans know the Americans better than anybody. They were their allies in the 80s and 90s. However, they turn to their enemies after 9/11. The Taliban were harboring terrorists, and it was a primary target for mighty American ground and air forces. The fight has been going since that date. American forces and their allies control the ground in the day while the Taliban in night. Americans finally decide that it is time to quit Afghanistan after securing a deal to the petroleum pipeline and the opium fields. Two birds with one stone, can't find a better deal. Afghanistan is the country never conquered, read the history, Uncle Sam.


Now, who sponsors the sign of the Agreement and the negotiation? The Pin Header size emirates of Qatar. This is the country Yusif Al Qaradawi, the grand mufti of the Muslim Brotherhood lives. Qatar became since 2005 a major sponsor for democratic movements in the Middle East. Al-Jazeera promotes reform everywhere except Qatar. Barack Obama mocks Qatari prince one time that he is a double standard, promotes democracy but he isn't democratic. Moreover, major funding channels for all terrorist organizations, the Taliban is just one. Now, the Taliban opens office in Qatar, nearby the largest American base outside American soil.


Now a couple of things to finish the thread. The first one is that as a part of the deal, just before the voting day in the next presidential elections, Ayman Al Zawahiri will be killed in an attack on some house he was hiding in Afghanistan. We are all familiar with this kind of political shenanigans, like what Obama and Hilary did with Osama Bin Laden. The second one is that the Taliban is buddies with the Americans, and Opium production shouldn't be disrupted. Afghanistan is all about Oil pipelines and Opium, not freedom and liberty.


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It was a prolonged military investment that went sour so long ago that some voters are to young to even remember the reason we (including Nato) went there. So here we are, nearly two decades later with some diehard whiners bitching about abandoning one of the worst cases of mission creep in American history.

Do you even recall the ORGINAL cause of war? Afghanistan refused to turn over Bin Laden. We retaliated, used proxies, and destroyed the Taliban government and forced Bin Laden to Pakistan, who was terminated years later. Al Queda was put out of action. Mission accomplished. It was time to go...

But we didn't..."mission creep" suddenly invented new goals - namely, that of turning fundi Islamic Afghanistan into a peaceful democratic state respectful of liberty. An idealistic new mission that was never attainable, costly and totally unnecessary.

What should have been, and continues to be, the best cost-benefit policy has been to ignore such idealistic nonsense. Accordingly, we should leave and be prepared, every five or ten years, to obliterate the country when it steps out of line. Frankly a three month war and intervention once a decade is far cheaper and less costly than squatting in this benighted culture and being targeted and killed...year after year.

Time to move out and move on.

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maxparrish said:
It was a prolonged military investment that went sour so long ago that some voters are to young to even remember the reason we (including Nato) went there. So here we are, nearly two decades later with some diehard whiners bitching about abandoning one of the worst cases of mission creep in American history.

Do you even recall the ORGINAL cause of war? Afghanistan refused to turn over Bin Laden. We retaliated, used proxies, and destroyed the Taliban government and forced Bin Laden to Pakistan, who was terminated years later. Al Queda was put out of action. Mission accomplished. It was time to go...

But we didn't..."mission creep" suddenly invented new goals - namely, that of turning fundi Islamic Afghanistan into a peaceful democratic state respectful of liberty. An idealistic new mission that was never attainable, costly and totally unnecessary.

What should have been, and continues to be, the best cost-benefit policy has been to ignore such idealistic nonsense. Accordingly, we should leave and be prepared, every five or ten years, to obliterate the country when it steps out of line. Frankly a three month war and intervention once a decade is far cheaper and less costly than squatting in this benighted culture and being targeted and killed...year after year.

Time to move out and move on.

.
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To certain degree, i agree with you
 
Fledermaus said:
First of all the Afghans we assisted were not the Taliban.

The Taliban rose up later.

Secondly we booted the Taliban out of power.

Why does it bother you so much that the US is leaving Afghanistan?

Where am I wrong?
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First of all, the Taliban still Afghans and didn't arrive there from Mars. The extreme ideology exists in Afghanistan and the American assistant provided for these extremest.
Second, you booted the Taliban out of power, not from Afghanistan. You booted Taliban out and now you are negotiating with her to be booted back in.
You loose again.
 
stan1990 said:
First of all, the Taliban still Afghans and didn't arrive there from Mars. The extreme ideology exists in Afghanistan and the American assistant provided for these extremest.
Second, you booted the Taliban out of power, not from Afghanistan. You booted Taliban out and now you are negotiating with her to be booted back in.
You loose again.
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A lot of blather....

Why does peace bother you so much?
 
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