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How about hearing from real life Russians?

Lord of Planar said:
Long ago, there use to be Chinese laborers that came through unwillingly, and it was very long ago that white supremacists were common here. All that changed during WWII, when this was a major shipyard for the war effort, and blacks and whites worked side by side.

What makes you think you know the history better than I do? Because some TV special was made about it? Do you really believe everything the media offers?
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They might have been working "side by side" but black people couldn't vote in Oregon until over a decade later.
Oregon was one of just six states that refused to ratify the 15th Amendment, which gave black men the right to vote. Oregon did not ratify the 15th amendment until 1959 — one hundred years after the state joined the Union.
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And then came the skinheads.
“In the 1980s and ’90s, Oregon became a destination for the largest skinhead movement in the country,” Millner said. “Their objective was to achieve something pioneers tried to achieve here and that was to create a white homeland.”

Millner said that in the 1980s and 1990s, “in Oregon and especially in Portland, it was very dangerous to be a person of color.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...egons-shameful-history-as-an-all-white-state/
 
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ecofarm said:
They might have been working "side by side" but black people couldn't vote in Oregon until over a decade later.

And then came the skinheads.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...egons-shameful-history-as-an-all-white-state/
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Hype.

They are everywhere, not just in Oregon.

Here in Portland, you have to worry about the bigots from the left, and the left outnumbers those of the right about 3:1.

Keep ion mind. I specified PORTLAND!

Do you think it's smart to change the context of the argument from a specific city to include all of Oregon? Quite the opposite. It shows either ignorance, or an attempt at intellectual deception.

Poor form!
 
Lord of Planar said:
Keep ion mind. I specified PORTLAND

Do you think it's smart to change the context of the argument from a specific city to include all of Oregon? Quite the opposite. It shows either ignorance, or an attempt at intellectual deception.

Poor form!
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I went back and bolded the "and especially in Portland" part of my citation. Feel free to read the whole article. Lots of history in there that you know nothing about.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
The few Russians I ever met are as easy going as these are. Questions are Do you drink Vodka? Do you smoke? One Russian is a Doctor who will shock you in his replies. Women are asked as are Men. We should stop stereotyping Russians. And Of course they do not like Communism.

They are disarmed. And many do not want to live in the USA.

Hope this will help you understand Russians. My goal is to help all of us not be bigots.

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Russians who come to the United States have more in common with Americans than the vast majority who remain behind and kneel before Putin.

Anyone who thinks Russia or Putin is our friend is a fool.
 
ecofarm said:
I went back and bolded the "and especially in Portland" part of my citation. Feel free to read the whole article. Lots of history in there that you know nothing about.
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I live here. If the article says as you claim, it's lying.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I live here. If the article says as you claim, it's lying.
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You think I faked the quote?

You're telling us white supremacists in Portland were history come WWII. Not letting people vote because of their skin color is supremacist. Very ****ing supremacist. That was until 1959.

You're also totally ignorant of the mass influx of white supremacists in the 1980s and 90s. Or you just pretend that didn't happen.

You need to learn the history of where you live.
 
ecofarm said:
You think I faked the quote?

You're telling us white supremacists in Portland were history come WWII. Not letting people vote because of their skin color is supremacist. Very ****ing supremacist. That was until 1959.

You're also totally ignorant of the mass influx of white supremacists in the 1980s and 90s. You just pretend that didn't happen.

You need to learn the history of where you live.
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Get off your soapbox. I've lived this region all my life. All places have pockets of racism. To cherry pick and portray it as common is propaganda. This thread is about Russians. Not racism.

I'm done with that topic here. Your ignorance is clear. Goodbye.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Get off your soapbox. I've lived this region all my life. All places have pockets of racism. To cherry pick and portray it as common is propaganda. This thread is about Russians. Not racism.

I'm done with that topic here. Your ignorance is clear. Goodbye.
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The only ignorance is yours. "White supremacists were gone in WWII". "White supremacists haven't been here in a long time". Both ignorance or lies.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Have either of you spent much time at all in Portland?

I suspect you never have, and if so, only a day trip.
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So you were only talking about Portland liberals. That would have been an important qualifier before you attempted to inaccurately generalize all liberals. Even then, you still haven't even described all Portland liberals.
 
Robertinfremont said:
The few Russians I ever met are as easy going as these are. Questions are Do you drink Vodka? Do you smoke? One Russian is a Doctor who will shock you in his replies. Women are asked as are Men. We should stop stereotyping Russians. And Of course they do not like Communism.

They are disarmed. And many do not want to live in the USA.

Hope this will help you understand Russians. My goal is to help all of us not be bigots.

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The Russian people should of course not be equated to the Putin regime.

I've found Russians to generally be friendly, curious, genuine, and very hospitable.
 
Rogue Valley said:
The Russian people should of course not be equated to the Putin regime.

I've found Russians to generally be friendly, curious, genuine, and very hospitable.
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So why does your side constantly accost them?
 
Rogue Valley said:
The Russian people should of course not be equated to the Putin regime.

I've found Russians to generally be friendly, curious, genuine, and very hospitable.
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I submit the Russians love Putin. And man they love freedom and hate Communists.
 
Robertinfremont said:
I submit the Russians love Putin. And man they love freedom and hate Communists.
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RinF:

Putin's Russia is no more free than Khrushchev's Russia. Khrushchev's may have been communist and Putin's is oligarchic capitalist and trending towards full-blown fascism, but neither are places of freedom. Both featured totalitarian structures and use coercive force disproportionately against any critics of the regime. I will grant you that both were a step up from the days of Joseph Stalin but neither regime are champions of freedom.

As to the Russian people, they're just people. Some are fine folk, some not so much. But they do have a fatal national flaw. They have for too long been a flock in search of a shepherd and have too often chosen wolves to lead them, suffering accordingly. Until they can shake off that dependency, they always will be a danger to themselves and to their neighbours. The Russian people need to develop the political maturity to build enduring political and social institution to protect themselves from their own leaders and despotism. Mr Putin is busy dismantling such institutions and is thus setting up Russia for more abusive despotism. This is not unique to Russia right now. Mr. Trump is doing the same thing in America. Hopefully the institutions in America are strong enough to out last and withstand Mr. Trump. The institutions in Russia, being younger and weaker, are no match for Mr. Putin. My heart breaks for Russia, abused by boyars, tsars, advisors, revolutionaries, commissars, oligarchs and strongmen for centuries, only occasionally interupted by brutal foreign invasions. When will it change? How will it change? Who will make the needed changes?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Robertinfremont said:
The few Russians I ever met are as easy going as these are. Questions are Do you drink Vodka? Do you smoke? One Russian is a Doctor who will shock you in his replies. Women are asked as are Men. We should stop stereotyping Russians. And Of course they do not like Communism.

They are disarmed. And many do not want to live in the USA.

Hope this will help you understand Russians. My goal is to help all of us not be bigots.

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WTF is this propaganda about?

I know Russians. Lots.

It's a different culture dude. I stopped dating any DECADES ago.

The only nationality I have ever blanket refused to date.

You probably believe that all Hispanics immigrants are criminals and bums... dude, trust me, it's the Russians not the Latinos if we are stereotyping.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Even the individuals.

It would be very, very rare to see someone right leaning accost someone who wears something indicating they support politicians on the left, but you are not safe on the streets of Portlandia wearing a MAGA hat.
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a few reasons for this.

Number 1, the people who identify with reason and progress do not wear hate symbols openly (or privately) as do the wingnut contingent.

If it's not their pro slavery flag it's the racist symbol, MAGA hat.
 
noonereal said:
WTF is this propaganda about?

I know Russians. Lots.

It's a different culture dude. I stopped dating any DECADES ago.

The only nationality I have ever blanket refused to date.

You probably believe that all Hispanics immigrants are criminals and bums... dude, trust me, it's the Russians not the Latinos if we are stereotyping.
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There are women of all nationalities that take advantage of guys. Are you sure that wasn't the case?
 
Lord of Planar said:
There are women of all nationalities that take advantage of guys. Are you sure that wasn't the case?
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LOL, dude, I am not from Trumpland, I am from NYC.

It;s not so one dimensional. It's about their sense of entitlement, lack of hygiene, dishonesty and I m not only talking about one or two women and I am not talking just about women.
I am speaking to the culture.

If you only knew.... they bilk government programs shamelessly. They truly are everything TRump claims the Hispanics are.

Folks in Trumpland really have so much less experience....
 
Haven't been back to Russia since I was born, I live in America. Vodka is loved as a slavic drink, smoking in Russia is starting to have backlash has medical research about it has reached Russia sort of like how it hit America nad smoking has gone down ever since, I expect Russia to go through the same process soon and then vaping will be the next big thing.

Communism is not good
 
Rogue Valley said:
Well then. We'll see if you put that sentiment on the line with Mr. Stalin (Ringo Stalin).

Crickets so far.
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Ringo Stalin is wrong, the USSR is not ideal for Russians.
 
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