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To global citizens, do you think American politics are ugly because of partisanship or corruption?

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Hey, global citizens
I’ve lived in America for ten years and realized the life here is a kind of consistent struggle all the way. Health care is provided from private insurance companies so the cost is super high. More than half of personal bankruptcies are due to sickness or injuries. My son’s one year college cost is over 70,000.00 American dollars. It literally made me and my son to trap in a huge debt already. The housing cost is so expensive as well. I am a single mom who always worked hard but recently I fell down from stairs unfortunately and my son went to college last year so I had to give up life in America and had to come back to South Korea. To me and many millions of Americans( more than half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck with a panicky fear of getting sick or bankrupt according to the politician, Bernie Sanders ), life seems to be never improving and going more difficult as time go by. What’s your thought about that? America needs a rescue from you, guys. Special interest groups are so powerful and they will never allow people to be educated enough to challenge the broken American system. Some young people are trying to change with the lead of Bernie Sanders but not enough. American system is falling apart and people are waking up that there is a huge systemic problems under but we need more help.[emoji17] Some Americans are more busy fighting with their partisanship for some reason instead of addressing real issues. (P.S. Partisanship induced useless argument is not welcomed in this thread. Thank you in advance. Please focus on the reasons and solution in your replies because this is a very serious important issue to so many real people)


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How about both.

Partisanship keeps us decadent about the reasons for our division, corruption allows those in power to stay there by exploiting any and all means to economically enslave the rest of the nation.

It is commonly called oligarchical capitalism.

The solutions to this are complex and time intensive, as it means separating Congress from money influencing policy. And that means it is next to impossible as Congress rarely, if ever, is willing to limit itself.
 
OrphanSlug said:
How about both.

Partisanship keeps us decadent about the reasons for our division, corruption allows those in power to stay there by exploiting any and all means to economically enslave the rest of the nation.

It is commonly called oligarchical capitalism.

The solutions to this are complex and time intensive, as it means separating Congress from money influencing policy. And that means it is next to impossible as Congress rarely, if ever, is willing to limit itself.
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Thank you for your reply. What do you personally think about Bernie Sanders and his policies?


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AmyJung said:
Hey, global citizens
I’ve lived in America for ten years and realized the life here is a kind of consistent struggle all the way. Health care is provided from private insurance companies so the cost is super high. More than half of personal bankruptcies are due to sickness or injuries. My son’s one year college cost is over 70,000.00 American dollars. It literally made me and my son to trap in a huge debt already. The housing cost is so expensive as well. I am a single mom who always worked hard but recently I fell down from stairs unfortunately and my son went to college last year so I had to give up life in America and had to come back to South Korea. To me and many millions of Americans( more than half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck with a panicky fear of getting sick or bankrupt according to the politician, Bernie Sanders ), life seems to be never improving and going more difficult as time go by. What’s your thought about that? America needs a rescue from you, guys. Special interest groups are so powerful and they will never allow people to be educated enough to challenge the broken American system. Some young people are trying to change with the lead of Bernie Sanders but not enough. American system is falling apart and people are waking up that there is a huge systemic problems under but we need more help.[emoji17] Some Americans are more busy fighting with their partisanship for some reason instead of addressing real issues. (P.S. Partisanship induced useless argument is not welcomed in this thread. Thank you in advance. Please focus on the reasons and solution in your replies because this is a very serious important issue to so many real people)


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What is a "global citizen"?

Speaking of Bernie Sanders...have you heard the latest about him?

Well, it seems his campaign workers have been complaining because he wants $15/hr for all US citizens, but he wasn't putting his money where his mouth is and wasn't paying his campaign workers that much. So...he gave them all a raise to $15/hr. Pretty cool, eh? No. It's NOT pretty cool.

Democrat presidential candidate Bernie Sanders announced this weekend he will cut staffers’ hours so that they can effectively be paid a $15-an-hour minimum wage, prompting mockery from critics who say the move is more evidence that Sanders’ plan to raise the national minimum wage is hypocritical and would only lead to less work and more unemployment.

Bernie Sanders campaign announces it will cut hours to pay staffers $15 minimum wage, prompting mockery | Fox News
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So, when push comes to shove, Bernie the Capitalist won out over Bernie the Socialist.
 
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What is a "global citizen"?

Speaking of Bernie Sanders...have you heard the latest about him?

Well, it seems his campaign workers have been complaining because he wants $15/hr for all US citizens, but he wasn't putting his money where his mouth is and wasn't paying his campaign workers that much. So...he gave them all a raise to $15/hr. Pretty cool, eh? No. It's NOT pretty cool.



So, when push comes to shove, Bernie the Capitalist won out over Bernie the Socialist.
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So what’s your solution to American’s broken politics then?


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AmyJung said:
So what’s your solution to American’s broken politics then?


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Less apathetic citizenry focused on electing honest representatives who are not beholden to big money interests. This cannot be legislated. It must come from within each and every citizen.

Anything else will just break politics more.
 
Mycroft said:
Less apathetic citizenry focused on electing honest representatives who are not beholden to big money interests. This cannot be legislated. It must come from within each and every citizen.

Anything else will just break politics more.
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Who do you have in your mind among many candidates?


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People declare bankruptcy because they didn't bother to become judgement proof. Some needed steps to take:

Live in a state that doesn't allow wage garnishment.
Park as much money as you can in a 401-k or IRA. They generally can't be garnished.
If you own a home, make sure that it qualifies for the homestead exemption.
Prepay college tuition. That is very unlikely to be attached.

That's just scratching the surface. There's abundant information online about how to be judgement proof.


AmyJung said:
Hey, global citizens
I’ve lived in America for ten years and realized the life here is a kind of consistent struggle all the way. Health care is provided from private insurance companies so the cost is super high. More than half of personal bankruptcies are due to sickness or injuries. My son’s one year college cost is over 70,000.00 American dollars. It literally made me and my son to trap in a huge debt already. The housing cost is so expensive as well. I am a single mom who always worked hard but recently I fell down from stairs unfortunately and my son went to college last year so I had to give up life in America and had to come back to South Korea. To me and many millions of Americans( more than half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck with a panicky fear of getting sick or bankrupt according to the politician, Bernie Sanders ), life seems to be never improving and going more difficult as time go by. What’s your thought about that? America needs a rescue from you, guys. Special interest groups are so powerful and they will never allow people to be educated enough to challenge the broken American system. Some young people are trying to change with the lead of Bernie Sanders but not enough. American system is falling apart and people are waking up that there is a huge systemic problems under but we need more help.[emoji17] Some Americans are more busy fighting with their partisanship for some reason instead of addressing real issues. (P.S. Partisanship induced useless argument is not welcomed in this thread. Thank you in advance. Please focus on the reasons and solution in your replies because this is a very serious important issue to so many real people)


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AmyJung said:
Who do you have in your mind among many candidates?


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Trump for President.

But that's not the representatives I was talking about. I'm referring to Congress. Get the ones out that pay lip service to their voters and then dishonestly work for the people who give them the big money.
 
AmyJung said:
Hey, global citizens
I’ve lived in America for ten years and realized the life here is a kind of consistent struggle all the way. Health care is provided from private insurance companies so the cost is super high. More than half of personal bankruptcies are due to sickness or injuries. My son’s one year college cost is over 70,000.00 American dollars. It literally made me and my son to trap in a huge debt already. The housing cost is so expensive as well. I am a single mom who always worked hard but recently I fell down from stairs unfortunately and my son went to college last year so I had to give up life in America and had to come back to South Korea. To me and many millions of Americans( more than half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck with a panicky fear of getting sick or bankrupt according to the politician, Bernie Sanders ), life seems to be never improving and going more difficult as time go by. What’s your thought about that? America needs a rescue from you, guys. Special interest groups are so powerful and they will never allow people to be educated enough to challenge the broken American system. Some young people are trying to change with the lead of Bernie Sanders but not enough. American system is falling apart and people are waking up that there is a huge systemic problems under but we need more help.[emoji17] Some Americans are more busy fighting with their partisanship for some reason instead of addressing real issues. (P.S. Partisanship induced useless argument is not welcomed in this thread. Thank you in advance. Please focus on the reasons and solution in your replies because this is a very serious important issue to so many real people)


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I wholeheartedly agree with you. All the necessities of like should be free for the people. Health care, education, food, housing, clothing and quality of life functions such as entertainment, air conditioning, internet and television should all be treated as being human rights. Everyone should be treated with dignity and respect. No person should ever be made to feel that they are less human than someone else. All these things are true human rights and speak to our essential humanity as a global society.

Some people claim that it's too difficult to achieve these things but I disagree. If we simply impose a high enough tax on those with vast accumulated wealth we can easily pay for all these things.

Well, that and maybe we need to get rid of a few people.

If we simply tax those with vast accumulated wealth and get rid of the capitalists we can achieve these things.

Then again, we have climate concerns too and as the climate gets worse it gets more expensive to provide all this free stuff so maybe we need to get rid of climate deniers too. So if we get rid of capitalists and climate deniers we can provide free stuff to everyone.

Actually, I forgot about fat people. Fat people create too much of a burden on the food and medical systems. They need to go...along with sick people. Fat, sick people mess up the health care system for everyone else. We definitely need to get rid of fat, sick, climate denying capitalists.

...and stupid people. Stupid people are much more prone to become fat, sick, climate denying capitalists so we really need to cull that cancer before it metastasizes. We just have to give people a test to see how they think and what their potential is to become a burden on the system and get rid of them before they become a problem.

Actually, now that you mention it, we'd probably be better off just to abort the potential offspring of people who could, potentially, become a problem for society. If we abort enough cell clusters then we can really put a dent in crime, violence, fatness, stupidity, climate denial, sickness, and capitalism. It would be awesome! We could really create a master race of people who would serve the mother earth as she deserves to be served.
 
AmyJung said:
What kind of his policies do you like? My life never got improved under Trump but I am curious about your opinion?


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Go to his old campaign website and read about his policies. I like all of them.
 
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Thank you for your reply. What do you personally think about Bernie Sanders and his policies?


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Bernie Sanders is a Communist that wants to make the USA more like North Korea.
 
AmyJung said:
Hey, global citizens
I’ve lived in America for ten years and realized the life here is a kind of consistent struggle all the way. Health care is provided from private insurance companies so the cost is super high. More than half of personal bankruptcies are due to sickness or injuries. My son’s one year college cost is over 70,000.00 American dollars. It literally made me and my son to trap in a huge debt already. The housing cost is so expensive as well. I am a single mom who always worked hard but recently I fell down from stairs unfortunately and my son went to college last year so I had to give up life in America and had to come back to South Korea. To me and many millions of Americans( more than half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck with a panicky fear of getting sick or bankrupt according to the politician, Bernie Sanders ), life seems to be never improving and going more difficult as time go by. What’s your thought about that? America needs a rescue from you, guys. Special interest groups are so powerful and they will never allow people to be educated enough to challenge the broken American system. Some young people are trying to change with the lead of Bernie Sanders but not enough. American system is falling apart and people are waking up that there is a huge systemic problems under but we need more help.[emoji17] Some Americans are more busy fighting with their partisanship for some reason instead of addressing real issues. (P.S. Partisanship induced useless argument is not welcomed in this thread. Thank you in advance. Please focus on the reasons and solution in your replies because this is a very serious important issue to so many real people)


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The way I see my partisanship come from not a love of the republican (do nothing) party but from a hatred of the democratic party. If you want more affordable housing or college, they will do the opposite. If you want rising wages and decrease taxation they will give you the opposite. The way I see it 80% of democratic party and 30% of the republican party are bought and paid for by big corporations.
 
AmyJung said:
Thank you for your reply. What do you personally think about Bernie Sanders and his policies?

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I do not think much of his policies at all.
 
SDET said:
Bernie Sanders is a Communist that wants to make the USA more like North Korea.
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Jesus, do some Americans actually think that?
 
AmyJung said:
Hey, global citizens
I’ve lived in America for ten years and realized the life here is a kind of consistent struggle all the way. Health care is provided from private insurance companies so the cost is super high. More than half of personal bankruptcies are due to sickness or injuries. My son’s one year college cost is over 70,000.00 American dollars. It literally made me and my son to trap in a huge debt already. The housing cost is so expensive as well. I am a single mom who always worked hard but recently I fell down from stairs unfortunately and my son went to college last year so I had to give up life in America and had to come back to South Korea. To me and many millions of Americans( more than half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck with a panicky fear of getting sick or bankrupt according to the politician, Bernie Sanders ), life seems to be never improving and going more difficult as time go by. What’s your thought about that? America needs a rescue from you, guys. Special interest groups are so powerful and they will never allow people to be educated enough to challenge the broken American system. Some young people are trying to change with the lead of Bernie Sanders but not enough. American system is falling apart and people are waking up that there is a huge systemic problems under but we need more help.[emoji17] Some Americans are more busy fighting with their partisanship for some reason instead of addressing real issues. (P.S. Partisanship induced useless argument is not welcomed in this thread. Thank you in advance. Please focus on the reasons and solution in your replies because this is a very serious important issue to so many real people)


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Sorry to hear of your misfortunes in the US Amyjung and sympathetic to the points you have raised about the US system.

Unfortunately the power circles in the US have had the place stitched up for a very long time which has allowed them to consolidate their power and expand it to a virtual lockdown today.

It is a corporate psychopathic system and as such is completely incapable of addressing the suffering it causes to the vast majority of people in our societies. It's profit before people everytime , as is it's nature

What can be done to tackle it ?

Extremely difficult to see how such an entrenched power can be taken down or even ammended under the current system. Any potential large scale movements will be nipped in the bud by a whole host of the tried and tested means of control and coercion the powerful have weilded over the weak to great effect throughout history.

I wish I could offer a more optimistic picture , I really do but I think the level of change in the time scale required is just too much of a challenge.

Sure Bernie Sanders is better than most but should he ever become president he will be forced to water down his wishes and dreams to the point of castrating them

The problem isn't so much who is in office but rather a systemic problem of private power controlling everything from behind the scenes with the people being distracted by a sham political system built on deceit and deception.

Time has run out on us , sadly, and the death certificate for the human race will read " death by Greed "

Sorry , but at least you now know why the asked me to stand down from the Samaritans
 
jdog21 said:
The way I see my partisanship come from not a love of the republican (do nothing) party but from a hatred of the democratic party. If you want more affordable housing or college, they will do the opposite. If you want rising wages and decrease taxation they will give you the opposite. The way I see it 80% of democratic party and 30% of the republican party are bought and paid for by big corporations.
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Solutions?


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Yet, there is a self-help solution to such problems as I pointed out earlier. Just because one receives a bill, it's not a given that it must be paid.


oneworld2 said:
Sorry to hear of your misfortunes in the US Amyjung and sympathetic to the points you have raised about the US system.

Unfortunately the power circles in the US have had the place stitched up for a very long time which has allowed them to consolidate their power and expand it to a virtual lockdown today.

It is a corporate psychopathic system and as such is completely incapable of addressing the suffering it causes to the vast majority of people in our societies. It's profit before people everytime , as is it's nature

What can be done to tackle it ?

Extremely difficult to see how such an entrenched power can be taken down or even ammended under the current system. Any potential large scale movements will be nipped in the bud by a whole host of the tried and tested means of control and coercion the powerful have weilded over the weak to great effect throughout history.

I wish I could offer a more optimistic picture , I really do but I think the level of change in the time scale required is just too much of a challenge.

Sure Bernie Sanders is better than most but should he ever become president he will be forced to water down his wishes and dreams to the point of castrating them

The problem isn't so much who is in office but rather a systemic problem of private power controlling everything from behind the scenes with the people being distracted by a sham political system built on deceit and deception.

Time has run out on us , sadly, and the death certificate for the human race will read " death by Greed "

Sorry , but at least you now know why the asked me to stand down from the Samaritans
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AmyJung said:
Haha [emoji23]I don’t think so. North Korea is a totalitarian failed hell.


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Maybe they don't actually think like that but they should know better than to talk like that.
 
Putting the word "democratic" in front of socialism doesn't it make it any less socialist.


AmyJung said:
Haha [emoji23]I don’t think so. North Korea is a totalitarian failed hell.


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