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To global citizens, do you think American politics are ugly because of partisanship or corruption?

Socialism is responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people.


Grand Mal said:
Maybe they don't actually think like that but they should know better than to talk like that.
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SDET said:
Socialism is responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people.
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Yeahright. Complete bull**** but let's pretend it's true. What do you suppose it has to do with Bernie Sanders?
 
He's a Red. He has a history as a Soviet sympathizer.

Grand Mal said:
Yeahright. Complete bull**** but let's pretend it's true. What do you suppose it has to do with Bernie Sanders?
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Grand Mal said:
Maybe they don't actually think like that but they should know better than to talk like that.
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I think American politic’s corruption is maintained by making majority of Americans be uneducated deliberately.


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AmyJung said:
Can I ask why?

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Most of Sanders’ views are rooted in a concept of Democratic Socialism.

While I will always point out to other posters that Socialism and Democratic Socialism are two very different things, there is still real reason to be critical of Democratic Socialism.

What we ultimately talk about is repeated appeals to the power of governance by merging the political ideology of majority thinking as a means to control economic and/or social outcome, and that becomes inherently complicit in creating new bureaucracy. The flaw is the majority is not always right, but as a force they are the political group to secure a vote from by continuing to apply government power towards a target. By both historical reasoning and the nature of government size itself, all of it becomes adversarial to freedoms on a long enough timeline.

The underline reason is as the needs and/or wants of the majority continue to flood in for economic and/or social ends they will appeal to the government as the means to that ends despite the notion that freedoms coming with an inherent responsibility for having them. The only real way to ensure that vicious cycle long term is the continual growth in that bureaucracy to administer to those ends that continue to expand. In this case “administer” becomes a euphemism for by the force of government and law.

Because we can conclude with ease that the majority wanting something is not always right then all we can conclude with mashing those terms together, “Democratic Socialism” is the goal is to marginalize someone who is with less representation and targeted by the majority. Historically speaking in this nation alone, that did not work out too well for whom was the target to apply the power of governance towards.

So it becomes easy to conclude that Sanders is advocating for the eventual harm of this nation, and as such I’ll stay happily a *classical liberal* and call out modern liberalism as insanity that is totally devoid of historical reality.
 
SDET said:
Putting the word "democratic" in front of socialism doesn't it make it any less socialist.
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Democratic socialism or social democracy is totally different than pure socialism which is failed. Please look up Sweden politics. It combines both good things from capitalism and socialism. It’s a mixed middle ground capitalism economy and society with the social safety net. It is the best system so far, I guess. Healthcare is universal and college is free in Sweden and nobody goes bankrupt because of medical bills. They have annual cap around 500 American dollars and the rest of it is taken care of by government. There are so many innovative global successful companies in Sweden as well because they embrace capitalism and entrepreneurship and free market but at the same time redistribute wealth fairly through Smart taxing system. [emoji16][emoji1303]


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SDET said:
Socialism is responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people.
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Not many people know about democratic socialism( Social Democracy) in Northern Europe. There is a middle ground( capitalism + socialism) surprisingly. I researched that by reading many books and so amazed.


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SDET said:
He's a Red. He has a history as a Soviet sympathizer.
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What do you gain from badmouthing Bernie? You can oppose him with his policies but don’t try to deceive people with wrong accusations. Nobody support communism anymore. That is very outdated argument. He seems to be Americans’ only hope at this moment in my opinion. So I don’t like people attack Bernie based on immature stupidity. It is pointless and not helping America.


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OrphanSlug said:
Most of Sanders’ views are rooted in a concept of Democratic Socialism.

While I will always point out to other posters that Socialism and Democratic Socialism are two very different things, there is still real reason to be critical of Democratic Socialism.

What we ultimately talk about is repeated appeals to the power of governance by merging the political ideology of majority thinking as a means to control economic and/or social outcome, and that becomes inherently complicit in creating new bureaucracy. The flaw is the majority is not always right, but as a force they are the political group to secure a vote from by continuing to apply government power towards a target. By both historical reasoning and the nature of government size itself, all of it becomes adversarial to freedoms on a long enough timeline.

The underline reason is as the needs and/or wants of the majority continue to flood in for economic and/or social ends they will appeal to the government as the means to that ends despite the notion that freedoms coming with an inherent responsibility for having them. The only real way to ensure that vicious cycle long term is the continual growth in that bureaucracy to administer to those ends that continue to expand. In this case “administer” becomes a euphemism for by the force of government and law.

Because we can conclude with ease that the majority wanting something is not always right then all we can conclude with mashing those terms together, “Democratic Socialism” is the goal is to marginalize someone who is with less representation and targeted by the majority. Historically speaking in this nation alone, that did not work out too well for whom was the target to apply the power of governance towards.

So it becomes easy to conclude that Sanders is advocating for the eventual harm of this nation, and as such I’ll stay happily a *classical liberal* and call out modern liberalism as insanity that is totally devoid of historical reality.
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Do you think Medicare for All and free college is a threat to America? Why other developed countries already have them?


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AmyJung said:
Do you think Medicare for All and free college is a threat to America? Why other developed countries already have them?


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Not if 100% of Americans pay a fair flat tax of 25% no exceptions!
 
Medicare for all is an attempt to fleece those of us that paid into the system for 30+ years with no benefit. The flawed idea of Medicare is to pay into it for 30+ years at 2.9 % of salary to reap its accumulated benefit when one's health starts to decline. Now young people want to take the benefit without paying into it. If there's going to be "Medicare for all", I want all that money paid into the system to be refunded.


AmyJung said:
Do you think Medicare for All and free college is a threat to America? Why other developed countries already have them?


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SDET said:
Medicare for all is an attempt to fleece those of us that paid into the system for 30+ years with no benefit. The flawed idea of Medicare is to pay into it for 30+ years at 2.9 % of salary to reap its accumulated benefit when one's health starts to decline. Now young people want to take the benefit without paying into it. If there's going to be "Medicare for all", I want all that money paid into the system to be refunded.
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People include young people know we need to pay for ‘Medicare for all’ through our tax. Nothing is free. People like that because we like the idea of sharing burden together to help each other and nobody left out sick or die just because they are lacking resources and it is way more cost effective than our current broken system. You simply take out the middle greedy profiteering insurance companies out from basic health care.


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How many 25 year olds have paid into Medicare for 30+ years WITH NO BENEFIT? I guess we could fund some of that free healthcare by instituting euthanasia for the elderly. Medicare for all violates the "contract" of the original system. It's a scheme to cheat the elderly.

AmyJung said:
People include young people know we need to pay for ‘Medicare for all’ through our tax. Nothing is free. People like that because we like the idea of sharing burden together to help each other and nobody left out sick or die just because they are lacking resources and it is way more cost effective than our current broken system. You simply take out the middle greedy profiteering insurance companies out from basic health care.


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SDET said:
How many 25 year olds have paid into Medicare for 30+ years WITH NO BENEFIT? I guess we could fund some of that free healthcare by instituting euthanasia for the elderly. Medicare for all violates the "contract" of the original system. It's a scheme to cheat the elderly.
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That’s exactly right. Just like they did when they stole 960Billion dollars from Medicare to fund Obamacare!
 
AmyJung said:
Do you think Medicare for All and free college is a threat to America? Why other developed countries already have them?

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There is no such thing as “free,” that term in this context just means cost covered by someone else. Medicare for all does not mean complete healthcare coverage, even Medicare only covers *part* of the costs of services and procedures.

You are going to have to do better than buzz words to convince me Democratic Socialism means starting and stopping with these principles.

And definitely it means actually addressing all of what I posted, not just cherry picked parts telling me you have absolutely no response to them.
 
AmyJung said:
What kind of his policies do you like? My life never got improved under Trump but I am curious about your opinion?


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Curious...can I move to South Korea, and expect Moon Jae-in to improve my life for me?
 
SDET said:
How many 25 year olds have paid into Medicare for 30+ years WITH NO BENEFIT? I guess we could fund some of that free healthcare by instituting euthanasia for the elderly. Medicare for all violates the "contract" of the original system. It's a scheme to cheat the elderly.
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You don’t have any children?[emoji27]


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Crystal said:
That’s exactly right. Just like they did when they stole 960Billion dollars from Medicare to fund Obamacare!
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I don’t like Obama care. Medicare for All is way to go. We need to think about our next generations. Humanity is not all about our selfishness. What about environmental crisis we and our ancestors have caused? Is that fair to young people? If we all think of ourselves only, we cannot improve anything.


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AmyJung said:
I don’t like Obama care. Medicare for All is way to go. We need to think about our next generations. Humanity is not all about our selfishness. What about environmental crisis we and our ancestors have caused? Is that fair to young people? If we all think of ourselves only, we cannot improve anything.


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I think of everybody! I think everybody should pay a flat tax of 25% to cover all the freebies democrats pass out like candy!
 
truthatallcost said:
Curious...can I move to South Korea, and expect Moon Jae-in to improve my life for me?
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That’s a very difficult question. I just moved back to South Korea so I don’t know much about Moon’s policies so much. In my opinion, he seems to focus too much on North Korea issue( which it doesn’t go anywhere ). South Korea has a serious air pollution issues due to heavily China and Korea’s own pollutants. Moon needs to focus on that more since many people are suffering and dying from it. That is another reason we need Bernie in America because he cares about the environment more than Trump. Environment issue is getting too serious!!

President is important to your life. The government affects every single part of your life. I think you got cynical because this American government really didn’t help individuals so much.


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Any system that hides the cost of services from the consumer is unworkable. It turns health care into a "pizza" where everybody takes a slice. It brings "rent seekers" out of the woodwork.


AmyJung said:
You don’t have any children?[emoji27]


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OrphanSlug said:
There is no such thing as “free,” that term in this context just means cost covered by someone else. Medicare for all does not mean complete healthcare coverage, even Medicare only covers *part* of the costs of services and procedures.

You are going to have to do better than buzz words to convince me Democratic Socialism means starting and stopping with these principles.

And definitely it means actually addressing all of what I posted, not just cherry picked parts telling me you have absolutely no response to them.
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College in America was free back in 1950. College in most developed countries is free which means it is funded by smart taxing. Fair opportunity is given to people regardless of their parents income or current status. That means true democracy.


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SDET said:
Any system that hides the cost of services from the consumer is unworkable. It turns health care into a "pizza" where everybody takes a slice. It brings "rent seekers" out of the woodwork.
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So negative. There are much better options in other developed countries. Universal health care is much more cost effective.


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Crystal said:
I think of everybody! I think everybody should pay a flat tax of 25% to cover all the freebies democrats pass out like candy!
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Basically your mindset is so different than many people. It is hard to discuss any issues with your closed mind. I’m moving on. By the way, taxing should be planned more carefully. It is not that simple.


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