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    What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    From The Washington Post

    What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    A Russian plane carrying the first components of the S-400 surface-to-air defense system landed in Turkey on Friday, in a move that is opposed by the Pentagon and could damage Turkey’s relationship with the United States and other NATO allies.

    Washington has long warned that if Turkey were to acquire the Russian system, the United States may impose harsh economic sanctions and revoke Turkey’s participation in U.S. military programs.

    Here are some key questions and answers about how the S-400 ended up in Turkey and what may come next:

    [Turkey takes first shipment of Russian S-400 air-defense system in defiance of U.S. and NATO warnings]


    What is the S-400 air and missile system?


    It’s a Russian-made, long-range, surface-to-air defense system. The S-400 is one of Russia’s most sophisticated pieces of military equipment, with advanced surveillance radar and a suite of missiles that can closely track and target aircraft from the ground.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said he chose to go ahead with the $2.5 billion purchase from Russia because the United States did not make an adequate offer on its own Patriot air defense system. NATO has that system stationed in Turkey for its own purposes in Syria, but Turkey never purchased it from Washington. NATO officials have raised concerns that the S-400 purchase will not be compatible with other systems already in use in Turkey.

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    What is possibly the most compelling reason why the US doesn't want Turkey to buy the S-400 (even though that horse is already out of the barn) and intends to impose crushing economic sanctions because the government of Turkey has taken actions not sanctioned by the President of the United States of America is given in the very last paragraph of the article.
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    Re: What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    We're not putting the F-35 on a platform with Russian programming and spyware.

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    Re: What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    From The Washington Post

    What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    A Russian plane carrying the first components of the S-400 surface-to-air defense system landed in Turkey on Friday, in a move that is opposed by the Pentagon and could damage Turkey’s relationship with the United States and other NATO allies.

    Washington has long warned that if Turkey were to acquire the Russian system, the United States may impose harsh economic sanctions and revoke Turkey’s participation in U.S. military programs.

    Here are some key questions and answers about how the S-400 ended up in Turkey and what may come next:

    [Turkey takes first shipment of Russian S-400 air-defense system in defiance of U.S. and NATO warnings]


    What is the S-400 air and missile system?


    It’s a Russian-made, long-range, surface-to-air defense system. The S-400 is one of Russia’s most sophisticated pieces of military equipment, with advanced surveillance radar and a suite of missiles that can closely track and target aircraft from the ground.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said he chose to go ahead with the $2.5 billion purchase from Russia because the United States did not make an adequate offer on its own Patriot air defense system. NATO has that system stationed in Turkey for its own purposes in Syria, but Turkey never purchased it from Washington. NATO officials have raised concerns that the S-400 purchase will not be compatible with other systems already in use in Turkey.

    COMMENT:-

    What is possibly the most compelling reason why the US doesn't want Turkey to buy the S-400 (even though that horse is already out of the barn) and intends to impose crushing economic sanctions because the government of Turkey has taken actions not sanctioned by the President of the United States of America is given in the very last paragraph of the article.
    When anyone with a brain looks at what Turkey did he/she would ask one question. How can a nation buying advanced weapons systems from Russia be part of NATO. The organization meant to defend against Russian aggression.

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    Re: What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    When anyone with a brain looks at what Turkey did he/she would ask one question. How can a nation buying advanced weapons systems from Russia be part of NATO. The organization meant to defend against Russian aggression.
    Although cheaper than the US Patriot (it is partially subsidized), the S-400 is not compatible with NATO weaponry/standards.


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    Re: What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Although cheaper than the US Patriot (it is partially subsidized), the S-400 is not compatible with NATO weaponry/standards.
    The OP knows this.

    This thread is just another of his disingenuous nonsense threads.
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    Re: What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    Hasn’t Turkey taken delivery of a handful of F-35 fighters? This would be an opportune time to pit the two systems against each other.

    ...and if this report is true, what are we doing getting parts for the frontline US fighter from Turkey?

    How Will America Replace the 844 F-35 Parts That Turkey Makes? | The National Interest
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    Re: What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    Hasn’t Turkey taken delivery of a handful of F-35 fighters? This would be an opportune time to pit the two systems against each other.

    ...and if this report is true, what are we doing getting parts for the frontline US fighter from Turkey?

    How Will America Replace the 844 F-35 Parts That Turkey Makes? | The National Interest
    They received a couple or so but they are in the US for training Turkish pilots.

    I wonder how the US and EU will feel if they are on the end of Turkish sanctions.

    Ie no expects of oil from Turkey to the EU and no access to Turkish airspace for military flights among others. Perhaps sanctions on EU ships transiting into the Black sea
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    Re: What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Although cheaper than the US Patriot (it is partially subsidized), the S-400 is not compatible with NATO weaponry/standards.
    Since I happen to have some slight familiarity with those standards, I'd really appreciate it if you could cite the exact standard that the S-400 is NOT compatible (and please use the actual dictionary definition of "compatible") with.

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    Re: What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    Since I happen to have some slight familiarity with those standards, I'd really appreciate it if you could cite the exact standard that the S-400 is NOT compatible (and please use the actual dictionary definition of "compatible") with.

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    Re: What is the Russian S-400 air defense system, and why is the U.S. upset Turkey bought it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    They received a couple or so but they are in the US for training Turkish pilots.

    I wonder how the US and EU will feel if they are on the end of Turkish sanctions.

    Ie no expects of oil from Turkey to the EU and no access to Turkish airspace for military flights among others. Perhaps sanctions on EU ships transiting into the Black sea
    Does Turkey have any leverage in regard to the bolded?

    No idea how many pilots from Turkey the US has trained or how far their training has progressed. The acceptance of more pilots has been put on hold according to the link:

    US has stopped accepting Turkish pilots for F-35 training over Russia defenses | TheHill
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