Is a Foreign Military Intervention in Venezuela Imminent?

Checkerboard Strangler said:

Just be aware of the fact that if a bunch of "contractors" show up, then no one can accuse him of going to war, because contractors aren't soldiers, technically speaking.
Oh sure, they might have tanks, planes, bombs, guns, mortars, missiles, and everything else an army has, but if they're working under the aegis of a privately owned corporation, it technically cannot be called a war, but in the rallies it can be referred to as anything Trump wants, and Trump wants Trumpistas to believe it is a great patriotic war, therefore they will believe it.

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CBS:

Columbia is one of the leading producers of mercenaries/private military contractors in the world today. Columbians are fighting and supporting in Yemen, the Gulf States, Iraq/Syria, Africa and many other places. Thus there is a large pool of military trained Latin American soldiers ready for hire on Venezuela's border for a deniable invasion/infiltration of Venezuela.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Slettman said:

I don't think military intervention is exactly "imminent". Personally I would support an invasion of Venezuela waged against the Maduro regime. I believe we could easily overthrow him within a couple weeks tops. Not to mention, conditions in Venezuela for the citizens can't exactly get much worse.

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Slettman:

Then get on a plane, pick up the necessary weapons and risk your own life as a freedom fighter for democracy in Venezuela. Don't expect other people's sons and daughters to die or be maimed because you support a military action. Put your butt where your mouth is if a Venezuelan war is so important to you. Incidentally there are between 7 and 9 million hardcore Chavistas just waiting to rock' n'roll with you should you elect to pay them a visit. Good luck.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Evilroddy said:

Fledermaus:

Canada, France, etc. are not yet interfering in the Venezuelan political and economic spheres as far as I know, yet. The US and the U.K. are however actively trying to destabilise Venezuela with economic warfare and by trying to overthrow much of its government and its sitting president.

If such economic warfare is unacceptable against a state in the Levant which kills thousands and effectively imprisons millions of its political opponents and frequently attacks militarily its neighbouring states, then why is it permissible to do this to a state which is far less lethal and punitive to the people under its control and which does not attack its neighbouring states militarily? Double standard much?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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People have called the endorsement of an interim government "interfering". Using that "logic" Canada, France, Germany, the Organization of American States and the EU all are "interfering".

And this thread is about Venezuela.

Fledermaus said:

People have called the endorsement of an interim government "interfering". Using that "logic" Canada, France, Germany, the Organization of American States and the EU all are "interfering".

And this thread is about Venezuela.

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The OAS would not go along with this beforehand and thus the US led the creation of the Lima Group to get likeminded Latn American states on side. The OAS endorsement of the Guaido pretender is the result of coersion by the US and is not unanimous as Mexico, Cuba, Bolivia and Nicaragua have refused to get on board to date.

Recognising a pretender is not supporting a pretender so is not direct note reference, yet.mbut I'm sure that some of those states (my own country included) will bow to US pressure and eventually interfere as the U.K. has already done through the BoE.

Cheers.
Evilroddy

Evilroddy said:

CBS:

Columbia is one of the leading producers of mercenaries/private military contractors in the world today. Columbians are fighting and supporting in Yemen, the Gulf States, Iraq/Syria, Africa and many other places. Thus there is a large pool of military trained Latin American soldiers ready for hire on Venezuela's border for a deniable invasion/infiltration of Venezuela.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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I've always heard that and, if I'm not mistaken, at one time a lot of them were coming to "The School of the Americas" for training, isn't that correct?

Evilroddy said:

The OAS would not go along with this beforehand and thus the US led the creation of the Lima Group to get likeminded Latn American states on side. The OAS endorsement of the Guaido pretender is the result of coersion by the US and is not unanimous as Mexico, Cuba, Bolivia and Nicaragua have refused to get on board to date.

Recognising a pretender is not supporting a pretender so is not direct note reference, yet.mbut I'm sure that some of those states (my own country included) will bow to US pressure and eventually interfere as the U.K. has already done through the BoE.

Cheers.
Evilroddy

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Wow...

How all powerful the US is in your world....

Fledermaus said:

Wow...

How all powerful the US is in your world....

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Fledermaus:

As the monopolar global military, economic and political superpower, very, very powerful. There is a reason for the US's globally hegemony and it's not Coca-Cola, Hollywood and the Marshal Plan. It's brute economic and military force. It used to also include savvy diplomacy but that is no longer the case.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Checkerboard Strangler said:

I've always heard that and, if I'm not mistaken, at one time a lot of them were coming to "The School of the Americas" for training, isn't that correct?

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CBS:

That is true and the participation was not limited to Columbians in the School of the Americas at Fort Benning (Sp?). But the SotA became a bad brand and thus the training of Latin American officers, special police and special forces went more sub-rosa and has been in part off-shored to Special Operations Forces operating outside of America (the country not the continent). The Honduran democratic opposition right now are enjoying the tender mercies of US-trained Honduran special police and special forces after the recent hijacking of the Honduran presidential election vote-counting process. The US Government has fully endorsed the very suspect election results and the subsequent suppression of the opposition incidently, which makes its stand on the Venezuelan presidential election reults look hollow and opportunistic to many observers.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Evilroddy said:

Fledermaus:

As the monopolar global military, economic and political superpower, very, very powerful. There is a reason for the US's globally hegemony and it's not Coca-Cola, Hollywood and the Marshal Plan. It's brute economic and military force. It used to also include savvy diplomacy but that is no longer the case.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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Hegemony... the DaveFagan shibolleth....

The problem is you having the all powerful US causing an very independent, very rich in resources and very anti US country destroy itself from within through cockups, mismanagement and graft.....

Right.

Fledermaus said:

Hegemony... the DaveFagan shibolleth....

The problem is you having the all powerful US causing an very independent, very rich in resources and very anti US country destroy itself from within through cockups, mismanagement and graft.....

Right.

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Fledermaus:

Nope. That's your take-away, not mine.

I might add that Iraq and Afghanistan are resource-rich countries which were very independent, very corrupt and very anti-US and were also invaded and destroyed or badly damaged by US military intervention. So was Chile in the 1970's. There is a pattern here. Meanwhile the incredibly corrupt, oppressive, terrorist sponsoring, anti-American and resource rich Saudi Arabia is sitting pretty as your partner in the Petro-dollar scheme and the bombing of Yemen. Saddam Hussein and Nicholas Maduro took their countries off the Petro-dollar racket and attracted the ire of a well-armed giant.

That's my take-away here.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Evilroddy said:

Fledermaus:

Nope. That's your take-away, not mine.

I might add that Iraq and Afghanistan are resource-rich countries which were very independent, very corrupt and very anti-US and were also invaded and destroyed or badly damaged by US military intervention. So was Chile in the 1970's. There is a pattern here. Meanwhile the incredibly corrupt, oppressive, terrorist sponsoring, anti-American and resource rich Saudi Arabia is sitting pretty as your partner in the Petro-dollar scheme and the bombing of Yemen. Saddam Hussein and Nicholas Maduro took their countries off the Petro-dollar racket and attracted the ire of a well-armed giant.

That's my take-away here.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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Venezuela... Not Iraq, Afghanistan, new South Wales nor the Grand Duchy of Fenwick.

Focus.

How did the US cause Venezuela to self destruct from within?

Fledermaus said:

Venezuela... Not Iraq, Afghanistan, new South Wales nor the Grand Duchy of Fenwick.

Focus.

How did the US cause Venezuela to self destruct from within?

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No, I will not focus as this discussion is about US policy which also extends beyond Venezuela. The US has a pattern in its methods of destroying other states and that pattern is germane to this discussion.

As to the how of the destruction (not self-destruction which is a separate and parallel process), reread the thread and the cited evidence I have presented here. I am not going to run around in circles because of your stubbornness to not recognise what is both verifiable and obvious to anyone who takes the time to do the research and analysis of what has happened in Venezuela since 1922 when oil was first discovered there.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Evilroddy said:

No, I will not focus as this discussion is about US policy which also extends beyond Venezuela. The US has a pattern in its methods of destroying other states and that pattern is germane to this discussion.

As to the how of the destruction (not self-destruction which is a separate and parallel process), reread the thread and the cited evidence I have presented here. I am not going to run around in circles because of your stubbornness to not recognise what is both verifiable and obvious to anyone who takes the time to do the research and analysis of what has happened in Venezuela since 1922 when oil was first discovered there.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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Since 1922 Venezuela has enjoyed prosperity its neighbors could only dream of.

This thread began as a thread about supposed military intervention that has yet to pass... Yet you keep trying to branch out to other countries that are very much not Venezuela while discounting the very real causes of the economic ills and claiming "America dood it".

I will bow out at this point.