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How should we view the South African situation today?

Perhaps you are right, though the dawn before the Zimbabwe genocide did not seem certain either.

The ironic thing, of course, being that had the "Rhodesians" not been so brutal to the locals, Mugabe never could have taken power in the first place.
 
The Apartheid regime was useful to absolutely no one. It's brutality directly lead to the rise of various guerilla groups and the deaths of many civilians.

It also lost every single one of the border wars it was involved in.

The simple fact is that the fall of the Apartheid thugs was a good thing.

I do not argue in favor of Apartheid, I argue in what should have been a better choice than Mandela's communists. Surely you could have come up with a better idea than Mandela and the communist ANC
 
Actually as the lone superpower who forced our will upon others yes this is our fault.....we failed as supervisors/helpers/Leader of the Free World.

No. That was jimmy carter and his cowtowing press.
 
I have already mentioned one a few times, we could have stuck around and helped out after we imposed our will upon that society...we owed them that much...Better People would have managed to do the right thing here.

Again, we did not impose our will on the people of South Africa.

The anti-Apartheid movement was a domestic one.

We simply prevented the Apartheid thugs from slaughtering innocent people.

So your basic premise, as usual, is wrong.
 
It is just so difficult to find an example that would have given pause to ending Apartheid.

Yes, it is difficult to "find an example" because the Apartheid regime was corrupt, ineffective, brutal, and deserved to be toppled.

There were no "better options" like you claim.
 
I do not argue in favor of Apartheid, I argue in what should have been a better choice than Mandela's communists. Surely you could have come up with a better idea than Mandela and the communist ANC

And yet, you have provided no such "better choice".

And again, the ANC was anti-colonialist, not communist, as shown by their actions after taking power.

Mandela was a great man who held things together in a way I doubt anyone else could have.
 
Yes, it is difficult to "find an example" because the Apartheid regime was corrupt, ineffective, brutal, and deserved to be toppled.

There were no "better options" like you claim.

The better option was to support the white government until a suitable government could be found. Black failure in sub saharan Africa is a universal trait. It is stupid not to recognize that.
 
It was only in 2000 that Mugabe launched the first genocide. He murdered/drove off the white farmers, seized the farms, and bankrupted his country.

We are on that doorstep for white South Africans today, 5 million strong, destined to torture/death, certainly losing their ability to support themselves. They will be driven out of the country as a way to cover up the horrible failures of the ANC, as South Africa descends into complete failure and destitution.

Mugabe was Zimbabwe. Are you in Zimbabwe?
 
Good to see ol' Virgil is just outright spouting off false white supremacist propaganda now.

Perhaps you have better ideas about black rule in South Africa, if you do, I certainly wish you would express them. There is a genocide to avoid I hope
 
The better option was to support the white government until a suitable government could be found. Black failure in sub saharan Africa is a universal trait. It is stupid not to recognize that.

Perhaps if you treated Blacks as humans they would be better prepared to rule over their former slavers.
 
Mugabe was Zimbabwe. Are you in Zimbabwe?

The ANC has surely failed, and is now going full Mugabe. Perhaps you can now regail us with stories about how wonderful black people in power blame white for their failures, and commit genocide
 
Perhaps if you treated Blacks as humans they would be better prepared to rule over their former slavers.

I certainly treat black people as friends, coworkers and humans. I truly do that. You do not address my point about black failure. Perhaps you can explain it without ignoring the question in its entirety forever?
 
The better option was to support the white government until a suitable government could be found. Black failure in sub saharan Africa is a universal trait. It is stupid not to recognize that.

Careful there Virgil. Your white hood is falling out of your pocket.

 
The better option was to support the white government until a suitable government could be found. Black failure in sub saharan Africa is a universal trait. It is stupid not to recognize that.

So in other words you wanted the US to support the apartheid regime and are upset that we kept them from slaughtering their opposition.

Noted.

The apartheid regime was a useless band of thugs who alienated the people of South Africa. It's stupid not to recognize that.
 
Careful there Virgil. Your white hood is falling out of your pocket.



That is just the problem. We cannot address any issue without being accused of massive horrific extremism. I don't know how the left could ever figure out how to communicate with us
 
So in other words you wanted the US to support the apartheid regime and are upset that we kept them from slaughtering their opposition.

Noted.

The apartheid regime was a useless band of thugs who alienated the people of South Africa. It's stupid not to recognize that.

It wasn't the whites slaughtering each other, it was the blacks doing that, or don't you know?
 
The left would set up a riot here or there, but it was always Zulu vs ANC, one side shooting the other. There was never any plan at all for how this should work, because it never had a chance to work. If it failed complete in Zimbabwe, and now in South Africa, there should always have been a better plan. We must stop the coming genocide, since we missed out on stopping the previous one in Zimbabwe
 
That is just the problem. We cannot address any issue without being accused of massive horrific extremism. I don't know how the left could ever figure out how to communicate with us

You know how it is Virgil. If you criticize Israel policy, you're anti-semetic. You point out anything critical that pertains to any particular race (unless it's the white race,) you're racist.

You don't want to shower with a gay man, you're a homophobe. If you want to stop people from carrying shoulder fired missles around, you're anti-gun. If you open a door for a lady, you are a male-chauvinist pig. If you are cautious of pittbull's, you profile.

Get with the times man!
 
The left would set up a riot here or there, but it was always Zulu vs ANC, one side shooting the other. There was never any plan at all for how this should work, because it never had a chance to work. If it failed complete in Zimbabwe, and now in South Africa, there should always have been a better plan. We must stop the coming genocide, since we missed out on stopping the previous one in Zimbabwe

I'm more worried about the Bloods and the Crips than a bunch of Pygmies or Zulus. Am I being insensitive?
 
You know how it is Virgil. If you criticize Israel policy, you're anti-semetic. You point out anything critical that pertains to any particular race (unless it's the white race,) you're racist.

You don't want to shower with a gay man, you're a homophobe. If you want to stop people from carrying shoulder fired missles around, you're anti-gun. If you open a door for a lady, you are a male-chauvinist pig. If you are cautious of pittbull's, you profile.

Get with the times man!

Well said my Super hero friend.
 
I certainly treat black people as friends, coworkers and humans. I truly do that. You do not address my point about black failure. Perhaps you can explain it without ignoring the question in its entirety forever?

You have sowed the wind... Time to reap the whirlwind.
 
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