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Dalai lama to migrants: ‘europe belongs to the europeans’

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The exiled spiritual leader of Tibet said Wednesday that, while Europe can help refugees, “Europe belongs to the Europeans” and migrants should rebuild their homelands.

“From a moral point of view, too, I think that the refugees should only be admitted temporarily,” he added.

The Dalai Lama clarified at the time that he had compassion for refugees, especially those fleeing from war, but said now the goal of aid should be their return to their homelands.

“When we look into the face of every single refugee, especially the children and women, we can feel their suffering,” he said. “The goal should be that they return and help rebuild their countries.”

https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/12/dalai-lama-migrants-europe/

I suppose the Dalai Lama is a neo-nazi now?

As it is said in the article, "Receive them, help them, educate them … but ultimately they should develop their own country,”

No decent person wants someone to suffer needlessly. If they're truly in need I say help them. Help them all. Then send them back.

When you do they will take with them relationships that they have built and genuine friendships and those relationships and friendships will bear fruit for both host country and refugee equitably. Investment, development, exchange between the two can foster and create a better place for all.

As it is now, all that's being done is the exploitation of foreign labor and the disenfranchisement of the native population.

The other way is better.
 
Recognition of the Brain Drain is not nazi. People are being implored to develop their own countries because they're needed, not because they're rejected or to spite whites.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brain drain


Desiring someone is not the same as rejecting them.
 
His comments may also reflect his antipathy toward China, which has flooded Tibet with Chinese immigrants to dilute the power and aspirations of the native people.
 
Recognition of the Brain Drain is not nazi. People are being implored to develop their own countries because they're needed, not because they're rejected or to spite whites.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brain drain


Desiring someone is not the same as rejecting them.


"Learn here and apply what you've learned, there. In your own tradition, that is, the tradition in which you are from."


This is consistent theme in Buddhist circles.
 
"Learn here and apply what you've learned, there. In your own tradition, that is, the tradition in which you are from."


This is consistent theme in Buddhist circles.

I don't believe you understand it. It's not about nationalism or culture. It's about world development. The West can't solve developing world problems and neither can the West throwing money at developing governments. The solution is education (especially for women), healthcare and sustainable development.

Professionals and academics, human capital, contributes to those things. When a person becomes financially stable and or educated enough to travel overseas and they do not return, we have Brain Drain.

There two solutions that work together. First, reverse the Brain Drain as suggested. Encourage those empowered to "give back". The second is for the West to stop throwing money and move there. Bring the Western education and money, and invest it. Own poverty by being a part of it. We can only fix what we own.

For you to construe that as the equivalent of nazi rhetoric is absurd at best.
 
I don't believe you understand it. It's not about nationalism or culture. It's about world development. The West can't solve developing world problems and neither can the West throwing money at developing governments. The solution is education (especially for women), healthcare and sustainable development.

Professionals and academics, human capital, contributes to those things. When a person becomes financially stable and or educated enough to travel overseas and they do not return, we have Brain Drain.

There two solutions that work together. First, reverse the Brain Drain as suggested. Encourage those empowered to "give back". The second is for the West to stop throwing money and move there. Bring the Western education and money, and invest it. Own poverty by being a part of it. We can only fix what we own.

For you to construe that as the equivalent of nazi rhetoric is absurd at best.

I think you have misunderstood. I didn’t construe anything as Nazi rhetoric, to the contrary I was mocking those that would. As it is a case that any who oppose open borders are now to be considered Nazis.

I’m familiar with the concept of Brain Drain but thank you regardless for elaborating.

I left a part of my response to you out for fear of sounding like a fortune cookie.

You spoke of desire and rejection in regards to intentions. That’s a duality which has no basis in reality.

Many teachers — those I’ve met and those I’ve read — all agree that Buddhism isn’t looking for converts. They don’t want you to take on the trappings of their food, history, culture, or even religious ritual. You have your own. Another way put is you are not Chinese or Japanese or Tibetan or SE Asian (unless you are of course) so don’t pretend you are, certainly not for Buddha’s sake.

Take the Dharma back with you and incorporate it into your own culture, language, food, history, religion and cultivate it.

The same is for these refugees (migrant workers under the guise of refugees I have nothing but contempt for) You’re not Swedish or German or Danish or Dutch. Don’t try to be. You need help. You need assistance. Take it. Take it and go. Go and others will go with and help you build there what you see and want here.

I don’t know if I’m not reading you right or if you are truly trying to detach nationalism and culture from world development. Everything is connected. Like it or not people do identify by race or religion or nationality or culture. There will always be tribalism. There will always be Self and Other. No one in the next myriad of myriads is going to bring about a critical mass that will allow everyone to escape this duality. To escape this reality.

Now do I believe that everyone who opposes refugees and migration are thinking on this higher level? No. Of course not. There’s plenty of good old fashion prejudice and racism. There also isn’t. But you don’t hear it. Can’t hear it, it’s just got to be hatred or fear or whatever demagoguery that’s convenient and expeditious.

I’m carrying on here but the last point I’d like to address is if you think any of this is for the betterment of refugees or if you think that this “world development” is some noble pursuit to raise up all of mankind from poverty and squalor, well, all I can say is, that’s absurd at best.
 
I think you have misunderstood.

No, you misunderstood. You're the one idiotically characterizing the remarks as nazi. What now, Buddhism is nazi? Geee... as it turns out everything is nazi! Those nazis must be right!


Spare us.


if you think that this “world development” is some noble pursuit to raise up all of mankind from poverty and squalor, well, all I can say is, that’s absurd at best.

White nationalist rhetoric.
 
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No, you misunderstood. .

Oh I understand just fine...

Go out and save them, Eco, go out and save them all...

They need you to save them, they want you to save them...

Poor bumbling dirt people, they're so lost without you, can't do for themselves, THEY NEED YOU ECO, THEY NEED YOU!!!!

Save your trolling ass and your wannabe savior BS for somebody who doesn't know you...The White Man's Burden, right E?

:lamo

Vile
 
https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/12/dalai-lama-migrants-europe/

I suppose the Dalai Lama is a neo-nazi now?

As it is said in the article, "Receive them, help them, educate them … but ultimately they should develop their own country,”

No decent person wants someone to suffer needlessly. If they're truly in need I say help them. Help them all. Then send them back.

When you do they will take with them relationships that they have built and genuine friendships and those relationships and friendships will bear fruit for both host country and refugee equitably. Investment, development, exchange between the two can foster and create a better place for all.

As it is now, all that's being done is the exploitation of foreign labor and the disenfranchisement of the native population.

The other way is better.

I wonder if the dalai lama factored in that many of these immigrants are fleeing states in turmoil due to the aggressive/destructive actions of the governments of Europe in the first place
 
https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/12/dalai-lama-migrants-europe/

I suppose the Dalai Lama is a neo-nazi now?

As it is said in the article, "Receive them, help them, educate them … but ultimately they should develop their own country,”

No decent person wants someone to suffer needlessly. If they're truly in need I say help them. Help them all. Then send them back.

When you do they will take with them relationships that they have built and genuine friendships and those relationships and friendships will bear fruit for both host country and refugee equitably. Investment, development, exchange between the two can foster and create a better place for all.

As it is now, all that's being done is the exploitation of foreign labor and the disenfranchisement of the native population.

The other way is better.

I wonder what he would say about North America.
 
Another issue

As he and many of his followers fled Tibet, and went to India, can people not say. India belongs to India and that the Dali Lama and his followers should go back to China to develop China?
 
I don't believe you understand it. It's not about nationalism or culture. It's about world development. The West can't solve developing world problems and neither can the West throwing money at developing governments. The solution is education (especially for women), healthcare and sustainable development.

Professionals and academics, human capital, contributes to those things. When a person becomes financially stable and or educated enough to travel overseas and they do not return, we have Brain Drain.

There two solutions that work together. First, reverse the Brain Drain as suggested. Encourage those empowered to "give back". The second is for the West to stop throwing money and move there. Bring the Western education and money, and invest it. Own poverty by being a part of it. We can only fix what we own.

For you to construe that as the equivalent of nazi rhetoric is absurd at best.

I'm sure Iraqis and Syrians will be receptive to Westerners moving there to 'educate' them on how to pattern their country after the West. :doh
 
I'm sure Iraqis and Syrians will be receptive to Westerners moving there to 'educate' them on how to pattern their country after the West. :doh

It takes a special kind of ignorant to not recognize the superiority of freedom.
 
It takes a special kind of ignorant to not recognize the superiority of freedom.

They don't want it, can't handle having it, and largely view it as a pagan invention of the West. Thoughts?
 
Do you still believe we're winning hearts and minds in Iraq and Afghanistan too?

Don't change the subject. You espoused racist BS about half the world and tried to hide behind "a CIA agent". That's a big problem. If your view is racist, there's no point in bothering to dispel such ignorance.
 
Don't change the subject. You espoused racist BS about half the world and tried to hide behind "a CIA agent". That's a big problem. If your view is racist, there's no point in bothering to dispel such ignorance.

I'm not changing the subject. You voiced the narcissistic idea of us needing to change them by way of Westerners moving to their countries in hopes of our culture rubbing off on them. We did that to Native Americans too once upon a time. Remember? I'm thinking you're the racist one if you believe the answer is for Westerners to move to 3rd world countries in order that our culture somehow rub off on them.
 
They don't want it, can't handle having it, and largely view it as a pagan invention of the West. Thoughts?


What an idiotic claim.

Trying to say Middle Easterners “can’t handle freedom” is incredibly ignorant and fails to take into account literally dozens of factors which have destabilized the region for years.
 
I'm not changing the subject. You voiced the narcissistic idea of us needing to change them by way of Westerners moving to their countries in hopes of our culture rubbing off on them.

False. A laughably ignorant projection. It goes well with the racist BS worldview.
 
What an idiotic claim.

Trying to say Middle Easterners “can’t handle freedom” is incredibly ignorant and fails to take into account literally dozens of factors which have destabilized the region for years.

A majority of people living the Middle East a Maghreb DON'T want their societies to resemble those of the West. How hard is this to understand? They rebel against personal freedoms for women, religious minorities, LGBT, etc, and generally want to keep life as it's been for centuries. So when these people are ushered into Europe, the cultural shock is too great, which drives some further into religious extremism or just blatant disregard for their host country.
 
False. A laughably ignorant projection. It goes well with the racist BS worldview.

Well I have to go, so I'll just fling an irrelevant buzzword your way and claim victory here; racist.
 
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