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Trump Undermines Theresa May

*assessments of 27 top Psychiatrists and Mental health experts*

All without a single minute of examination of the supposed patient. Highly unethical and completely useless.

Trump is and has been a public person for several decades now. As such, more is known about him that almost every other person living today. There are hundreds of hours of Trump speeches and interviews that can be watched..... there are books by the man where he reveals all manner of his inner thoughts and motivations .... and a library of actual real life events that he has been involved in that can be studied without then need for a in person interview. In fact, one can learn far far more about Trump from those sources than a doctor could learn in a fifty minute interview.
 
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I hear it too. Trump said when he meets with Putin, he's going to "ask him the question." What question? "Can I blow you?" That's about all that Putin hasn't gotten from Trump.​

No need to get vulgar.
 
Trump is and has been a public person for several decades now. As such, more is known about him that almost every other person living today. There are hundreds of hours of Trump speeches and interviews that can be watched..... there are books by the man where he reveals all manner of his inner thoughts and motivations .... and a library of actual real life events that he has been involved in that can be studied without then need for a in person interview. In fact, one can learn far far more about Trump from those sources than a doctor could learn in a fifty minute interview.

^^^^ This is BS ^^^^ Goldwater had plenty of speeches and interviews revealing his inner thoughts and motivations and the APA still said it is unethical.
 
No need to get vulgar.

Was my remark really any more proletarian than what we've witnessed and heard from Trump and Trumpkins since 2015? I dare say not.

Do my words allude not to Trump's obsequiousness towards Putin? Indeed they do just that. And that man yet has the gall to demean our closest and longest standing allies...every one of them -- Canada, the UK, Germany and France. Every one of them! Hell, he says nicer things about Putin than he as about some other Americans. That is what's vulgar.
 
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I forgot, your opinion overrules the ethical standards of the APA :lamo

Just who do you think wrote those essays?

Just who do you think are the tens of thousands of professionals who have signed the petition online identifying Trump as mentally disturbed?

You playing ostrich does not change the reality that Trump is mentally ill and large numbers of mental health professionals have made that judgment.
 
^^^^ This is BS ^^^^ Goldwater had plenty of speeches and interviews revealing his inner thoughts and motivations and the APA still said it is unethical.

The Duty to Warn the Public about a mentally ill person at the helm of the most powerful nation in the world trumps the Goldwater rule.
 
Just who do you think wrote those essays?

Just who do you think are the tens of thousands of professionals who have signed the petition online identifying Trump as mentally disturbed?

You playing ostrich does not change the reality that Trump is mentally ill and large numbers of mental health professionals have made that judgment.

Doesn't matter, the APA ethics standards do.

Apparently tens of thousands of unethical mental professionals. BTW a link to this petition would be nice.

The reality of it is you don't know Trumps mental health nor do these so called mental health professionals without examining the patient.
 
Doesn't matter, the APA ethics standards do.

Apparently tens of thousands of unethical mental professionals. BTW a link to this petition would be nice.

The reality of it is you don't know Trumps mental health nor do these so called mental health professionals without examining the patient.

Actual the Duty to Warn is an accepted and approved practice that medical professionals can follow. Obviously there is difference of opinion about it - but enough mental health professionals have decided to use it and they consider the nation and its people in danger.

Regardless, you are not going to put that particular genie back in the bottle. We know for a fact that a large number of mental health professionals consider Donald Trump to be mentally ill.
 
The Duty to Warn the Public about a mentally ill person at the helm of the most powerful nation in the world trumps the Goldwater rule.

Sure, after a proper examination.
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_warn

In clinical psychological practice in the United States, duty to warn requires a clinician who has reasonable grounds to believe that a client may be in imminent danger of harming himself or others to warn the possible victims.[4] Duty to warn is among the few exceptions to a client's right to confidentiality and the therapist's ethical obligation to maintain confidential information related in the context of the therapeutic relationship. In the American Psychological Association's Ethical Principles of Psychologists and Code of Conduct, the therapist's duty to warn is implicitly contained within the guidelines for disclosure of confidential information without the consent of the client: "Psychologists disclose confidential information without the consent of the individual only as mandated by law, or where permitted by law for a valid purpose such as to … protect the client/patient, psychologist, or others from harm."[5] In situations when there is cause for serious concern about a client harming someone, the clinician must breach confidentiality to warn the identified victim/third party about imminent danger.[6][page needed] Although laws vary somewhat in different states, in general, the danger must be imminent and the breach of confidentiality should be made to someone who is in a position to reduce the risk of the danger.[4] People who would be appropriate recipients of such information would include the intended victim and law enforcement.

Duty to warn is embedded in the historical context of two rulings (1974 and 1976) of the California Supreme Court in the case of Tarasoff v. Regents of the University of California.[7][page needed][8] The legal case was brought by the Tarasoff family after their daughter, Tatiana Tarasoff, was murdered by Prosenjit Poddar, who had received psychological services in the university counseling center. Poddar had made it known to his psychologist, during a session, that he wanted to kill Tarasoff, and his psychologist informed the campus police, following the session, of the danger that Poddar posed to himself and others and suggested that hospitalization might be necessary. The psychologist also wrote a letter requesting assistance to the chief of campus police. Upon investigation by the police, during which Poddar was briefly detained for questioning, he was released because his mental state seemed to be stable and rational. Shortly thereafter, the director of the department of psychiatry at Cowell Hospital asked for the police to return the letter and ordered that Poddar's therapy notes should be destroyed. No one ever warned Tatiana Tarasoff. Poddar killed Tatiana Tarasoff on October 27, 1969, and her parents filed suit against several of the organizations and individuals who had been involved. The case was initially dismissed by a lower court, but her parents appealed to the California Supreme Court, which upheld the appeal in 1974 and reaffirmed the ruling in 1976. The case was settled out of court when Tarasoff's parents received a substantial sum of money.[citation needed]

Explicit in the court's decision was the principle that the confidentiality of the therapeutic relationship is subordinate to the safety of society and its members.

Glad to help.
 
That man has lost his mind! What possessed him to out of the blue undermine the British Prime Minister?

Truly, I'm shocked she didn't meet him at the door to Chequers, tell him to "eff" himself, tell him to leave the country immediately and slam the door in his face.

When Trump shines the light of truth on the multi-national globalist corporations and their political minions...the rats scurry around and cry about how mean he is.

Boo-hoo!!
 
Actual the Duty to Warn is an accepted and approved practice that medical professionals can follow. Obviously there is difference of opinion about it - but enough mental health professionals have decided to use it and they consider the nation and its people in danger.

Regardless, you are not going to put that particular genie back in the bottle. We know for a fact that a large number of mental health professionals consider Donald Trump to be mentally ill.

Sure, after a proper examination.


Duty to Warn

The duty to warn transcends the medical profession. One doesn't, in one's professional judgment as a expert on "whatever," see clear and present risk and keep mum. To do that would be utterly reprobate.

If it be not psychology professional, then who is in a position to credibly say, "this guy's behavior and remarks, based on what we've observed, is consistent with XYZ mental malady?" We don't need experts who don't avail the nation of their expertise.
 
Duty to Warn

The duty to warn transcends the medical profession. One doesn't, in one's professional judgment as a expert on "whatever" see clear and present risk and keep mum. To do that would be utterly reprobate.

If it be not psychology professional, then who is in a position to credibly say, "this guy's behavior and remarks, based on what we've observed, is consistent with XYZ mental malady?" We don't need experts who don't avail the nation of their expertise.

Very well said. Thank you.
 
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I hear it too. Trump said when he meets with Putin, he's going to "ask him the question." What question? "Can I blow you?" That's about all that Putin hasn't gotten from Trump.​

Why is it that the party of tolerance, acceptance and LBGTQ..rights is always the party who thinks homophobic jokes about gay sex is funny?
 
Were you not able to read my previous post refuting that claim from the 19th century?

Section 7, the Goldwater rule, appeared in the first edition of the APA's Principles of Medical Ethics in 1973. 20th century.
 
Duty to Warn

The duty to warn transcends the medical profession. One doesn't, in one's professional judgment as a expert on "whatever," see clear and present risk and keep mum. To do that would be utterly reprobate.

If it be not psychology professional, then who is in a position to credibly say, "this guy's behavior and remarks, based on what we've observed, is consistent with XYZ mental malady?" We don't need experts who don't avail the nation of their expertise.

A "Dudy to Warn" deals with a health professional's "client", not someone they've never examined.
 
Section 7, the Goldwater rule, appeared in the first edition of the APA's Principles of Medical Ethics in 1973. 20th century.

Very good. I was being a smartass trying to get across the idea that things have changed in that half century until that. Any professional can tell far far more about the mental stability of Trump from all that is publicly available on him that can routinely be gleamed from a first time fifty minute face to face session.
 
*grounds to believe that a client*

What part of "a client" didn't you understand in your C&P from the link ??

Glad to help.

The entire nation is the client of the president.
 
That man has lost his mind! What possessed him to out of the blue undermine the British Prime Minister?

1) He's insane
2) He's cunning, but stupid
3) His base lets him get away with gaslighting the entire planet
4) His goal is to shatter international alliances and democratic governments

As to May, she doesn't have much of a choice. She already knows her career is destroyed, and that Trump is unreliable and irrational.
 
Calling one's political opponent mad is easy and cheap. Much easier than addressing reality, like, for example, that Mr Trump wants to STRENGTHEN NATO by shaming rich countries like Germany to spend more on defence. Mr Trump has the habit of blurting out embarassing - to entrenched political elites - truths. Highly commendable.

Both May and Merkel are in a bad way; anything that helps put us out of their misery is all to the good. Both have betrayed their respective countries. May's name deserves to stand alongside Quisling's as a synonym for 'tratitor' and the sooner her disastrous premiership comes to an end the better.

Since when does hurling insults and tariffs to our allies result in strengthening anything? Trump had made it much harder for democratic NATO nations to increase their spending. It will have the opposite effect and Trump will have an excuse to pull out of NATO like he has threatened. This is nothing but a KGB operation and Trump has no choice but to help implement it.
 
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