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Is Trump Doing a Good Job on International Policies/Scale?

Is Trump Doing a Good Job on International Policies/Scale?

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haymarket said:
Actually its going to be in pocket and accounts of the Trump business empire.
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Really? You've seen their books?

Still lying, aren't you?
 
Bucky said:
StuPedaso said:
I want to respond but I am shocked you equate illegal immigrants to cooks, maids, and janitors.
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When you're losing and argument resorting to grade school propaganda isn't going to help. I'm shocked that you would use such a blatant false equivalency, I did NOT equate illegal immigrants to … anything. I said I'm against spending 20 trillion dollars on an unneeded wall that won't work. <-- Period.


My family immigrated here With Out Papers, they weren't greeted with a wall. The were greeted by a beautiful statue proclaiming Liberty for ALL (not just all Americans) and a building built specifically to screen undesirables, and send them back to wherever they came from, and help those that were potential hard workers that would benefit the growth of our Nation and add to it's cultural diversity. Stories from my grandparents didn't paint Ellis Island as anything like a picnic but it wasn't a wall to dash their hopes and dreams. That foresightedness has paid huge dividends that we are still reaping the benefits of today.


Many economists are warning that if we could (not that the think we can) eliminate all "illegal immigration" through our Southern boarder the net effect would be the shutting down of many family business across America. How we treat these potential workers could make all the difference in the world for THEIR hopes and dreams and OURS. Mexican Nationals have been coming to the USA longer than you and I have been alive. And we've never dealt with it responsibly, business loves the cheap labor and the fact they don't have to provide any benefits and all Americans reap the bennifits. We need to stand tall as a nation and live up to the promise of the Statue of Liberty and treat these people, once they've been screened, responsibly.

Rather than a wall we should be building buildings that will protect us and help them.
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Mycroft said:
Really? You've seen their books?

Still lying, aren't you?
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Financial benefits to Trump during his presidency by foreign outsiders are forbidden by the US Constitution. And that is what he is doing here trading on his power as president to help a Chinese company in return for this investment from which his company will benefit.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.


e·mol·u·ment
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nounformal
a salary, fee, or profit from employment or office.
"the directors' emoluments"
synonyms: salary, pay, payment, wage(s), earnings, allowance, stipend, honorarium, reward, premium; More
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No, but there is still time for him to change my mind.
 
haymarket said:
Financial benefits to Trump during his presidency by foreign outsiders are forbidden by the US Constitution. And that is what he is doing here trading on his power as president to help a Chinese company in return for this investment from which his company will benefit.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
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He hasn't helped a Chinese company in return for anything. Do you have some information that nobody else has?
 
Is Trump Doing a Good Job on International Policies/Scale?
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Why don't you ask him?

I'm sure he will tell you.
 
Mycroft said:
He hasn't helped a Chinese company in return for anything. Do you have some information that nobody else has?
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I provided you with the information. Unless one is intentionally blind or delusional, it would be enough for a rational person.

Your attitude on this is 1000% consistent with every other position you have taken on Trump and the Russians. Why should this surprise me or anyone else who is well aware of your ostrich denials?
 
haymarket said:
I provided you with the information. Unless one is intentionally blind or delusional, it would be enough for a rational person.

Your attitude on this is 1000% consistent with every other position you have taken on Trump and the Russians. Why should this surprise me or anyone else who is well aware of your ostrich denials?
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You provided me with nothing but lies.

I like facts.
 
Mycroft said:
You provided me with nothing but lies.

I like facts.
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I guess I can understand how a right wing fanatic who lives in constant denial of reality confuses simple reality with lies having come up against it time and time and time and time again from Trumpkins.
 
StuPedaso said:
I'm against building 20 trillion dollar wall to keep people coming to clean our homes, harvest our crops and cook our food.
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This is a statement you made!!! You equate illegal immigrants to janitors, pickers, and cooks! Now that's insulting!

You should apologize StuPedaso. Such a statement is deeply offensive.
 
Bucky said:
This is a statement you made!!! You equate illegal immigrants to janitors, pickers, and cooks! Now that's insulting!

You should apologize StuPedaso. Such a statement is deeply offensive.
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First of all, there you go again. I never "equated" Illegal immigrants to janitors, pickers or cooks; "I" never made that statement.

I said I didn't want to build a 20 trillion dollar wall to keep people from coming to clean our house's, harvest and cook our food which is what most conservatives say is unskilled labor; it's called "IRONY". And, I have always said there is no such thing as unskilled labor.

To who is it offensive to and whom should I apologize to. To the business owners, farmers and ranchers that exploit these poor folks for slave wages … because they can?
 
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StuPedaso said:
To who?
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My Latinos and Hispanics are offended.

I have pockets of Latino friends. Many are teachers, educators, people of high position. You insulted them by saying they only come to America to clean toilets and farm. How insulting!

Again, I would advice apologizing to save face. Those comments just blew my mind. How can anyone post something so vulgar? Just my two cents.
 
Bucky said:
My Latinos and Hispanics are offended.

I have pockets of Latino friends.
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Next you'll be bragging about your folders of women.

Bucky said:
Many are teachers, educators, people of high position. You insulted them by saying they only come to America to clean toilets and farm. How insulting!
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I didn't say that … YOU did.

Bucky said:
Again, I would advice apologizing to save face.
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"adviSe"

Bucky said:
Those comments just blew my mind. How can anyone post something so vulgar?
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You said them not me.

Bucky said:
Just my two cents.
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Yep, put ALL your posts together … that's their value.
 
StuPedaso said:
Next you'll be bragging about your folders of women.




I didn't say that … YOU did.



"adviSe"



You said them not me.



Yep, put ALL your posts together … that's their value.
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Listen kid, I am veteran on this board. Stick with me, you'll go places.
 
Bucky said:
Listen kid, I am veteran on this board. Stick with me, you'll go places.
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How you got to be on … I'll never know. Earlier I told you I have NO intention of going anywhere; I am an American, I will stay and stand up for what I believe is right.

Before you started rewording my posts to make be look bad did you miss this one?

"My family immigrated here With Out Papers, they weren't greeted with a wall. The were greeted by a beautiful statue proclaiming Liberty for ALL (not just all Americans) and a building built specifically to screen undesirables, and send them back to wherever they came from, and help those that were potential hard workers that would benefit the growth of our Nation and add to it's cultural diversity. Stories from my grandparents didn't paint Ellis Island as anything like a picnic but it wasn't a wall to dash their hopes and dreams. That foresightedness has paid huge dividends that we are still reaping the benefits of today.


Many economists are warning that if we could (not that the think we can) eliminate all "illegal immigration" through our Southern boarder the net effect would be the shutting down of many family business across America. How we treat these potential workers could make all the difference in the world for THEIR hopes and dreams and OURS. Mexican Nationals have been coming to the USA longer than you and I have been alive. And we've never dealt with it responsibly, business loves the cheap labor and the fact they don't have to provide any benefits and all Americans reap the bennifits. We need to stand tall as a nation and live up to the promise of the Statue of Liberty and treat these people, once they've been screened, responsibly.

Rather than a wall we should be building buildings that will protect us and help them."

Do you think your pockets of Latino friends would be offended by that?
 
StuPedaso said:
How you got to be on … I'll never know. Earlier I told you I have NO intention of going anywhere; I am an American, I will stay and stand up for what I believe is right.

Before you started rewording my posts to make be look bad did you miss this one?

"My family immigrated here With Out Papers, they weren't greeted with a wall. The were greeted by a beautiful statue proclaiming Liberty for ALL (not just all Americans) and a building built specifically to screen undesirables, and send them back to wherever they came from, and help those that were potential hard workers that would benefit the growth of our Nation and add to it's cultural diversity. Stories from my grandparents didn't paint Ellis Island as anything like a picnic but it wasn't a wall to dash their hopes and dreams. That foresightedness has paid huge dividends that we are still reaping the benefits of today.


Many economists are warning that if we could (not that the think we can) eliminate all "illegal immigration" through our Southern boarder the net effect would be the shutting down of many family business across America. How we treat these potential workers could make all the difference in the world for THEIR hopes and dreams and OURS. Mexican Nationals have been coming to the USA longer than you and I have been alive. And we've never dealt with it responsibly, business loves the cheap labor and the fact they don't have to provide any benefits and all Americans reap the bennifits. We need to stand tall as a nation and live up to the promise of the Statue of Liberty and treat these people, once they've been screened, responsibly.

Rather than a wall we should be building buildings that will protect us and help them."

Do you think your pockets of Latino friends would be offended by that?
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I hate to break it Stu, but you come from a family of criminals.

You either break the law or follow the law. Many immigrants come here legally, many do so illegally. It sounds like you familia came here illegally, making them lawbreakers.

I certainly do not condone criminal behavior.
 
Bucky said:
I hate to break it Stu, but you come from a family of criminals.

You either break the law or follow the law. Many immigrants come here legally, many do so illegally. It sounds like you familia came here illegally, making them lawbreakers.

I certainly do not condone criminal behavior.
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No, no I'm not. Do you just spew out the first thing that comes to your mind or do you research anything you say?

In a way you're helping me prove my point so … you should read this …

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/did-my-family-really-come-legally-todays-immigration-laws-created-a-new-reality

You will learn:

Until the mid 1920's the US had very few immigration laws, in fact before 1900 there were virtually no laws to break. My great grand parents and their children immigrated to the US before 1924 when more strict regulation really stepped up. But your to your point, if you had one, is today they would not be allowed into the US legally. When you think of all Italian Americans have accomplished in the arts, commerce, banking and politics it should give you pause where this country would be IF we would have had the immigration laws of today when their ancestors came here. A very rich (culturally and financially), contributing part of our society would be missing.

Which reinforces the Idea that instead of walls we should be building immigration centers to help this valuable resource of humanity come and help our society grow today as other immigrants did in the past. Your side has been touting the full employment we are experiencing now, yet many jobs go unfilled. Farmers and ranchers, the food, hotel and construction industry are all desperate for help, Mexican Nationals have the skills they need.

If we built buildings to screen them and help them get started not only would we be fulfilling a need, it would make our boarder easier to patrol and regulate because we would know anyone crossing it, other than at our new immigration centers, are up to no good.

Thanks for the opportunity to propose a much cheaper and more effective alternative to a 20 trillion dollar wall that won't work and will only add to our immigration problem. We should change our ways and laws and put the best part of these folks to work. It's a proven solution that's worked effectively in the past. We have historical examples, all over the world, of walls that failed miserably.
 
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StuPedaso said:
No, no I'm not. Do you just spew out the first thing that comes to your mind or do you research anything you say?

In a way you're helping me prove my point so … you should read this …

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/did-my-family-really-come-legally-todays-immigration-laws-created-a-new-reality

You will learn:

Until the mid 1920's the US had very few immigration laws, in fact before 1900 there were virtually no laws to break. My great grand parents and their children immigrated to the US before 1924 when more strict regulation really stepped up. But your to your point, if you had one, is today they would not be allowed into the US legally. When you think of all Italian Americans have accomplished in the arts, commerce, banking and politics it should give you pause where this country would be IF we would have had the immigration laws of today when their ancestors came here. A very rich (culturally and financially), contributing part of our society would be missing.

Which reinforces the Idea that instead of walls we should be building immigration centers to help this valuable resource of humanity come and help our society grow today as other immigrants did in the past. Your side has been touting the full employment we are experiencing now, yet many jobs go unfilled. Farmers and ranchers, the food, hotel and construction industry are all desperate for help, Mexican Nationals have the skills they need.

If we built buildings to screen them and help them get started not only would we be fulfilling a need, it would make our boarder easier to patrol and regulate because we would know anyone crossing it, other than at our new immigration centers, are up to no good.

Thanks for the opportunity to propose a much cheaper and more effective alternative to a 20 trillion dollar wall that won't work and will only add to our immigration problem. We should change our ways and laws and put the best part of these folks to work. It's a proven solution that's worked effectively in the past. We have historical examples, all over the world, of walls that failed miserably.
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We have laws and those that break the law by entering this country illegally should be punished by deportation. It is really not that difficult to understand.
 
Bucky said:
We have laws and those that break the law by entering this country illegally should be punished by deportation. It is really not that difficult to understand.
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But for generations we have not, and still don't really have the resolve to, and IF we did we would put industries out of business. We need to come up with an alternative; it's not that difficult to understand.
 
StuPedaso said:
But for generations we have not, and still don't really have the resolve to, and IF we did we would put industries out of business. We need to come up with an alternative; it's not that difficult to understand.
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It sounds like you advocate for a borderless society. The alternative is for people to follow the law and get in line.
 
StuPedaso said:
But for generations we have not, and still don't really have the resolve to, and IF we did we would put industries out of business. We need to come up with an alternative; it's not that difficult to understand.
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Any my biggest BEEF is this. These illegals enter our country and are automatically on welfare and COMPLAIN they are not receiving more!

Do you sometimes ask yourself why the United States is the most prosperous and wealthiest nation in the history of the world? Welfare should be reserved for natives and legal immigrants, NOT illegal immigrants.
 
Bucky said:
It sounds like you advocate for a borderless society. The alternative is for people to follow the law and get in line.

Any my biggest BEEF is this. These illegals enter our country and are automatically on welfare and COMPLAIN they are not receiving more!

Do you sometimes ask yourself why the United States is the most prosperous and wealthiest nation in the history of the world? Welfare should be reserved for natives and legal immigrants, NOT illegal immigrants.
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You really don't have the facts.

* Undocumented Americans pay $11.64 billion annually in state and local taxes.
*Undocumented Americans pay $12 billion annually to the Social Security Trust Fund.
*Immigration has an overall positive impact on long-run economic growth in the U.S.
*140,000 more people have left the United States for Mexico between 2009 to 2014 More Mexican immigrants have returned to Mexico from the U.S. than have migrated here, resulting in an immigration net loss of 140,000 from 2009 to 2014.

https://defineamerican.com/factsmatter/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIj-ODz-aS2wIVT7bACh3nhQMbEAAYASAAEgIwN_D_BwE

Your concerns are unfounded.
 
Ah, but some people just love to kick them out, and break up their families. And spending millions on that wall will be so much fun.

I wonder if the thought of wall money going instead toward helping Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador fight drug cartels and government corruption; so their citizens could live there without fear, ever occurred to anyone?
 
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