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U.N. Where Are You? Protect Indigenous Rights (but Violators are Media Darlings)?

Tigerace117 said:
So did the very first English settlers. They didn't respect the culture of the Native Americans, and we celebrate that.
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Native Americans didn't have a country, but I get what you're saying
 
Tigerace117 said:
They did have tribal groups, cultures, and territories they controlled, however.
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Thats not a country, and plus throughout history, there has always been conquering. Conquer or be conquered. I don't condone that, but I'm stating facts here
 
enderpotato00 said:
Thats not a country, and plus throughout history, there has always been conquering. Conquer or be conquered. I don't condone that, but I'm stating facts here
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But it is a distinct group with territory and a culture which English settlers invaded "their" lands and actively tried out to wipe out.

By contrast, immigrants today are downright eager to become Americans.
 
JBG said:
You read me wrong. I'm an extreme left-winger.
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There are lots of posters on here who like to call themselves one thing but are anything but in reality.

Oh, and nobody legitimately ever considers themselves an extremist
 
Tigerace117 said:
There are lots of posters on here who like to call themselves one thing but are anything but in reality.

Oh, and nobody legitimately ever considers themselves an extremist
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I am hardly a fan of Barry Goldwater, but he famously said: "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" (link) I am an admirer of Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin and Maxine Waters.
 
JBG said:
I am hardly a fan of Barry Goldwater, but he famously said: "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" (link) I am an admirer of Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin and Maxine Waters.
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Barry Goldwater? You mean the guy who decided the Civil Rights Act was too "extreme" for him?

:lamo

Now I know you are just playing a fantasy based on what you think "the left" believes. You are no more "extremely liberal" than Trump is "conservative".
 
Tigerace117 said:
Barry Goldwater? You mean the guy who decided the Civil Rights Act was too "extreme" for him?

:lamo

Now I know you are just playing a fantasy based on what you think "the left" believes. You are no more "extremely liberal" than Trump is "conservative".
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Want to rephrase? That was borderline incoherent. I say up front "I am hardly a fan of Barry Goldwater...."

Learn to read.
 
JBG said:
Want to rephrase? That was borderline incoherent. I say up front "I am hardly a fan of Barry Goldwater...."

Learn to read.
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I'll give you a hint bud---nobody believes that you are a fan of ****ing Pol Pot. You are nothing more than another conservative who convinced himself that liberals are some sort of malign hive mind, is infuriated that liberals won't play into your fantasy, and thus decided to call yourself "very liberal" in order to create the straw man that you want to exist so badly and yet doesn't.
 
Tigerace117 said:
I'll give you a hint bud---nobody believes that you are a fan of ****ing Pol Pot. You are nothing more than another conservative who convinced himself that liberals are some sort of malign hive mind, is infuriated that liberals won't play into your fantasy, and thus decided to call yourself "very liberal" in order to create the straw man that you want to exist so badly and yet doesn't.
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The walls of my house are papered with pictures of Pol Pot, Fidel Castro., Che Guevera, David Berkowitz, Charles Manson, Kathy Boudine, Barack Obama and Maxine Waters.
 
Moot said:
Trump's budget cut funding for UN programs, including peacekeeping and climate change mitigation.
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Was this high on the United Nations' to-do list prior to Trump's cuts? Is it your argument that if more money was poured into the United Nations' coffers this problem would have been dealt with like some grand stretch goal on Kickstarter?

Moot said:
The US and Europe have never treated indigenous populations very good and many of the problems they created through colonization are still having an effect all over the world today.
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I completely agree with you that Europe and the United States have rarely been good at treating indigenous populations well. But it seems that the issue here is Muslim Indonesians treated non-Muslim Indonesians like garbage at best, and target practice at worst. I fail to see how Europe or the United States is to blame for this, if that is what you are implying. Or, alternatively, if it is wrong for us in the West to point out atrocities being perpetrated against innocent people just because our governments past and present have perpetrated atrocities of their own.
 
JBG said:
The walls of my house are papered with pictures of Pol Pot, Fidel Castro., Che Guevera, David Berkowitz, Charles Manson, Kathy Boudine, Barack Obama and Maxine Waters.
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Bull****.

It's really sad how conservatives can't bring themselves to live in the real world.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Barry Goldwater? You mean the guy who decided the Civil Rights Act was too "extreme" for him?

Now I know you are just playing a fantasy based on what you think "the left" believes. You are no more "extremely liberal" than Trump is "conservative".
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Tigerace117 said:
I'll give you a hint bud---nobody believes that you are a fan of ****ing Pol Pot. You are nothing more than another conservative who convinced himself that liberals are some sort of malign hive mind, is infuriated that liberals won't play into your fantasy, and thus decided to call yourself "very liberal" in order to create the straw man that you want to exist so badly and yet doesn't.
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Tigerace117 said:
Bull****.

It's really sad how conservatives can't bring themselves to live in the real world.
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See Can One Be a Leftist or Liberal and Believe in Constitution and Deep-Rooted American Values for further discussion. Not on this thread.
 
Tigerace117 said:
But it is a distinct group with territory and a culture which English settlers invaded "their" lands and actively tried out to wipe out.

By contrast, immigrants today are downright eager to become Americans.
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As usual you are only half right as t.he Indians did a pretty good job of trying to destroy themselves. When in the early 1800's
Tecumseh tried his best to organize intertribal resistance to the encroachment of white settlers on Indian land. From the Indiana
territory to the gulf coast he traveled in an attempt to unify the natives to unite with the British during the war of 1812 to stop
the Colonists from their westward movement. The 5 civilized Tribes in the south had one remarkable leader William Weatherford
who followed the path of Tecumseh.

Weatherford (Red Eagle) the Creek Indian warrior who had the wear with all and the girth of being to battle
the US army and Andrew jackson toe to toe until his quest for power & glory was ended at Horseshoe Bend.

Weatherford had sought to bring about a war in which the entire Creek Nation & the British would be united
against the whites but as usual in Indian confrontations with the settlers it became a war between part of the Creeks
(the Red Sticks) on one hand & the rest of the Creeks with the whites on the other in which he had to fight some
of his nearest friends it became a very different and much less attractive affair.

Weatherford renounced his fathers wealth to seek his future with his mother's
people, and as Creek warchief lead them to astonishing victories against the government
of the United States; The most stunning indian success after Washington became the 1st
president was the Weatherford led Creek victory at Fort Mims. Even Andrew Jackson showered him with praise.

However it all ended at the Horseshoe, which ended the power of the Creeks & the other civilized tribes
some of which fought with the whites, eventually leading to the Trail of Tears a few decades later.

Red Eagle whose genius for command alone made the War in the south worth writing about in the end
couldn't overcome the odds. I imagine similar events were prevalent, always a cadre of tribes sided against
the waring factions & that element of the native psyche was just as responsible for their demise than the
settlers insistance to wipe them out.
 
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