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Stormy, not Russia, will take Trump down

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According to this very learned legal mind, Jonathan Turley ( impressive bio, by the way )

Stormy and her lawyer pose a greater threat to Trump, and especially Cohen, than anything Russian.

I'll differ with him because no where in this legal analysis and his other posts, did I detect any mention money laundering
with Russians, which I believe will be the prime thing that Mueller will use against Trump.

that being said, this is an interesting read.

https://jonathanturley.org/2018/03/...nk-trump-and-cohen-in-the-daniels-litigation/
 
in the end it will be Russia that takes Trump down.... perhaps not with his base , many of whom are simply too stupid to understand the security implications of a president in the back pocket of our main foreign adversary - but even most Republicans in Congress will not be able to deny the obvious threat to our nation when Mueller lays out his completed case clearly showing the deep and long ties between him and Russia and the collusion to break the law with Russia to get him elected. That cannot be ignored by Congress.
 
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In the end, Trump lying under oath is going to bring him down. Doesn’t matter what about, he simply cannot tell the truth.
 
In the end, Trump lying under oath is going to bring him down. Doesn’t matter what about, he simply cannot tell the truth.
Trump won't lie.

He'll plead the fifth, IF he goes before Mueller.
 
In the end, Trump lying under oath is going to bring him down. Doesn’t matter what about, he simply cannot tell the truth.

you have to get him under oath first....

good luck with that....

maybe in 2023 or so.....
 
you have to get him under oath first....

good luck with that....

maybe in 2023 or so.....

It's nice to know you guys don't want Trump under oath because you know he will lie. Thank you for that admission.
 
According to this very learned legal mind, Jonathan Turley ( impressive bio, by the way )

Stormy and her lawyer pose a greater threat to Trump, and especially Cohen, than anything Russian.

I'll differ with him because no where in this legal analysis and his other posts, did I detect any mention money laundering
with Russians, which I believe will be the prime thing that Mueller will use against Trump.

that being said, this is an interesting read.

https://jonathanturley.org/2018/03/...nk-trump-and-cohen-in-the-daniels-litigation/

You hope.
 
It's nice to know you guys don't want Trump under oath because you know he will lie. Thank you for that admission.

No, speaking for myself, I don't want Trump under oath because making a mistake under oath could be prosecutable. That's one reason, at least, why when Hillary was depositioned by the FBI over the server scandal she wasn't under oath.
 
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No, speaking for myself, I don't want Trump under oath because making a mistake under oath could prove costly. That's why Hillary, when she was depositioned by the FBI over the server scandal, wasn't under oath.

He won't make a mistake, he will flat out lie. It's what he does on an almost daily basis.
 
He won't make a mistake, he will flat out lie. It's what he does on an almost daily basis.

Is that what your magic 8 ball tells you? Aren't its answers in one word?
 
It's nice to know you guys don't want Trump under oath because you know he will lie. Thank you for that admission.

go back and look at my posts....

see if you can find any that support Trump

i just know that as the President, he has powers....and if he and his attorneys are smart, which is questionable at this point, he will never get himself in that predicament

Mueller may not need his testimony to indict....but he isnt going to help them with a process crime which is what got Clinton

So we will see what Mueller comes up with...but stop banking on trump testifying....it isnt going to happen....
 
The Russians will take down the Democrat party swamp. Didn't Putin give the Clintons $140 million after the sale of uranium? What did Putin get for the money? How much money have the Russians given Trump in comparison? Do the math!

Also, the FBI said that many foreign nationals appeared to have hacked Hillary's server. This would have been very easy for the Russians, due to the large Clinton Foundation donation. All the Russians would have needed to do, is send Hillary a series of e-mails, via her private server, under the guise of negotiating the final amount of the donation. It can be in code words. They can attach bugs to later correspondences after they get to know the staff who want to help Hillary get her stash. Now they are in. The $140 Million gave the Russians a back door.

This explains why the Russians became the boogey man, but only after Trump won. The swamp realized it needed to discredit the Russians, before they tried to release server information; self defense back stab. If the Russians appear tainted, any data can be denied. They also needed to place a wedge between Putin and Trump, so if information was exchanged, it can't be made public, without making it appear Trump was involved in a collision and misinformation scam with the Russians. This did tie Trumps hands, for now.

The question I have is, which US intelligence agencies also have the Hillary server data? It makes no sense that Hillary private server was so secret only the US intelligence agencies were unaware. I would assume the US would automatically be there to monitor her server, as a means of national defense. They will offer a second layer of defense for national security, since Hillary was Secretary of State and dealt with all types of characters.
 
According to this very learned legal mind, Jonathan Turley ( impressive bio, by the way )

Stormy and her lawyer pose a greater threat to Trump, and especially Cohen, than anything Russian.

I'll differ with him because no where in this legal analysis and his other posts, did I detect any mention money laundering
with Russians, which I believe will be the prime thing that Mueller will use against Trump.

that being said, this is an interesting read.

https://jonathanturley.org/2018/03/...nk-trump-and-cohen-in-the-daniels-litigation/

The Stormy story is fun, but I don't think his supporters will care. Much as I enjoy the thought of a lawsuit and airing all the dirty linen, it won't bring him down. I don't see Russia doing that either since a conviction in the Senate requires a 2/3rds vote. If Trump keeps pursuing his trade war, that might do it, not through impeachment, but at the ballot box. He could tank the stock market and the economy. There'd be no coming back from that. It would be much worse than shooting someone on 5th Avenue.
 
Is that what your magic 8 ball tells you? Aren't its answers in one word?

It's not a crystal ball, it's precedence. It's what he has done weekly.
 
go back and look at my posts....

see if you can find any that support Trump

i just know that as the President, he has powers....and if he and his attorneys are smart, which is questionable at this point, he will never get himself in that predicament

Mueller may not need his testimony to indict....but he isnt going to help them with a process crime which is what got Clinton

So we will see what Mueller comes up with...but stop banking on trump testifying....it isnt going to happen....
I'm skeptical he'll testify myself. Right now, everything is being requested on a voluntary basis, not on the grounds of a grand jury subpoena. But even if Mueller obtains a grand jury subpoena, holding the president in contempt would be pretty unprecedented -- Cox considered it with Nixon, and was fired. Even still, it's not like the Republicans won't back him if he defies a court order, so it wouldn't make a difference.

But I think its more likely that Trump sits down with Mueller, and pleads the fifth. This way he avoids perjury, which leaves the only case against him to be obstruction of justice.
 
I'm skeptical he'll testify myself. Right now, everything is being requested on a voluntary basis, not on the grounds of a grand jury subpoena. But even if Mueller obtains a grand jury subpoena, holding the president in contempt would be pretty unprecedented -- Cox considered it with Nixon, and was fired. Even still, it's not like the Republicans won't back him if he defies a court order, so it wouldn't make a difference.

But I think its more likely that Trump sits down with Mueller, and pleads the fifth. This way he avoids perjury, which leaves the only case against him to be obstruction of justice.

And possibly money laundering. But criminal cases might have to wait till he's out of office.
 
Trump won't lie.

He'll plead the fifth, IF he goes before Mueller.

All the persecutors would need to do is say is something like. "I knew a ***** like you would take the cowards way out, you small handed little bitch" and trump would never be able to remain silent
 
Is that what your magic 8 ball tells you? Aren't its answers in one word?

Au contraire mon frere!

The all knowing Magic 8 Ball uses many words. HUGE words. Bigly words. It's the BEST at using words and stuff.

In fact, I just asked it, "Is DJT a compulsive liar?"

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According to this very learned legal mind, Jonathan Turley ( impressive bio, by the way )

Stormy and her lawyer pose a greater threat to Trump, and especially Cohen, than anything Russian.

I'll differ with him because no where in this legal analysis and his other posts, did I detect any mention money laundering
with Russians, which I believe will be the prime thing that Mueller will use against Trump.

that being said, this is an interesting read.

https://jonathanturley.org/2018/03/...nk-trump-and-cohen-in-the-daniels-litigation/

While I agree that the Stormy fiasco is probably more a threat to Trump, I don't think it rises to the level of being able to "take him down," because he simply doesn't care.

But, at least there's more of a story there than anything linking him to Russia -- except in the minds of those who hate him.
 
in the end it will be Russia that takes Trump down.... perhaps not with his base , many of whom are simply too stupid to understand the security implications of a president in the back pocket of our main foreign adversary - but even most Republicans in Congress will not be able to deny the obvious threat to our nation when Mueller lays out his completed case clearly showing the deep and long ties between him and Russia and the collusion to break the law with Russia to get him elected. That cannot be ignored by Congress.

what got Trump elected was the laziness of one each Hillary Clinton and a very inept campaign strategy. I addressed that many times before on this site. Blaming Russia for Hillary's defeat is asinine in my opinion. Hillary was her own worst enemy and cause.

A lot of Republicans in congress would love to be rid of Trump. But they will do nothing as they know they need Trump voters to get re-elected. A lot of those 37 current Republican House members who decided not to run for re-election fall into the above category. Of course this makes avid Trumpers happy that they are leaving as it give them a chance of replacing a representative who was cool to Trump with one that will support Trump through Hell and high water.

Now I'm not about to jump off a cliff in either supporting or opposing Trump in this Mueller investigation. I don't trust Trump, he isn't trustworthy or honest and hence I can't believe a word he says. On the other hand, I have seen the democrats set out to destroy Trump beginning the day after the election and all this hyperbolic partisan BS they have been throwing around doesn't merit any belief or trust in them either. I'll wait on Mueller, he is just about the only person in Washington that has any credibility in the whole mess.

I suppose the bottom line is I'm just sick and tired of both major parties trying to destroy the other and neither giving a hoot if they destroy this nation in process.
 
OK, you manage to oust a sitting President, something never done in our history ..... then what?
 
what got Trump elected was the laziness of one each Hillary Clinton and a very inept campaign strategy. I addressed that many times before on this site. Blaming Russia for Hillary's defeat is asinine in my opinion. Hillary was her own worst enemy and cause.

In matters of electoral politics, I happen to think that you are one of the sharper knives in the drawer here on DEBATE POLITICS. Having said that, it is beyond ridiculous to ignore the role the Russians played in helping to get Trump elected and the role Comey played in the lasted days of the campaign which aidedTrump in his victory.

Yes, Clinton was a bad and flawed candidate. And she got 2.8 million more votes that Trump did despite all that.



A lot of Republicans in congress would love to be rid of Trump. But they will do nothing as they know they need Trump voters to get re-elected. A lot of those 37 current Republican House members who decided not to run for re-election fall into the above category. Of course this makes avid Trumpers happy that they are leaving as it give them a chance of replacing a representative who was cool to Trump with one that will support Trump through Hell and high water.

I suspect you are correct and this only indicts them as the worst sort of cowards bringing to mind the old bit of wisdom about the hottest spots in hell reserved for those who do nothing in times of great crisis.


Now I'm not about to jump off a cliff in either supporting or opposing Trump in this Mueller investigation. I don't trust Trump, he isn't trustworthy or honest and hence I can't believe a word he says. On the other hand, I have seen the democrats set out to destroy Trump beginning the day after the election and all this hyperbolic partisan BS they have been throwing around doesn't merit any belief or trust in them either. I'll wait on Mueller, he is just about the only person in Washington that has any credibility in the whole mess.

We all will wait - but it is obvious where this is all going and the writing is on the wall for all to see - unless one is willfully blind.

I suppose the bottom line is I'm just sick and tired of both major parties trying to destroy the other and neither giving a hoot if they destroy this nation in process

Sadly, there is no alternative.
 
what got Trump elected was the laziness of one each Hillary Clinton and a very inept campaign strategy.


I beg to differ. She received 67 million voters, almost 3 million more than Trump, and in any other year, she would have won.

No one predicted that she wouldn't be president due to a fluke of the electoral college.

Sure, she could have done better, still, one doesn't get 67 million votes for being lazy.
 
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Sadly, there is no alternative.

Hillary's problem was she let her opponent out campaign and out work her. When Trump makes 116 campaign visits/stops to Hillary's 71 from 1 Sep through 8 Nov, what does that tell you? I know of no other Democrat or Republican for that matter who would let their opponent out work them in a such one sided glaring manner. Hillary was also taking days off where Trump took none. The energy level and enthusiasm gap between Trump supporters and Hillary's was also huge. Hers was more of a ho hum campaign.

Hillary's campaign strategy of running up the score, gaining more electoral votes than Obama did by trying to win Georgia, Arizona and Utah caused her to neglect her own backyard, the so called blue wall. Trump made five trips/visits to Wisconsin, Hillary none. In Michigan it was Trump six to Hillary's one. Pennsylvania was closer, 8-5 in favor of Trump. Even in rich electoral vote Florida, Hillary let Trump out campaign her there too, 13-8. All of the above Hillary had direct control over. I called it laziness, but perhaps she thought she had the election in the bag and thought she didn't have to work hard to win it. Make you're own decision there. The numbers speak for themselves.

As for Comey, I am one who thought the e-mail scandal was already baked into the election. Funny how Comey went from a hero of the Democrats when he refused to indict her earlier to a bastard goat of an excuse when he said he was reopening the case. so much so the democrats wanted him fired. Then from bastard to hero once again when Trump fired him. If one checks out the polling on 14 Oct 2016 Clinton led Trump by 6.7 points according to RCP. On 26 Oct the day before Comey's announcement Trump had cut Clinton's lead to 4.5 points. Trump was closing in on Hillary for around two weeks prior to Comey's announcement. Trump narrowed the RCP average to three points by the election which Hillary won the popular vote by 2.1 points. The key here is the narrowing began at least two weeks prior to Comey reopening the case. Okay, water under the bridge.

Cowards, it's called self-preservation. You seen it in 2010 and again in 2014 when quite a lot of democratic representatives and senators didn't want Obama to campaign for them due to Obama falling poll numbers. Self-preservation. In the case of these representatives choosing not to run, probably most were just fed up being hammered from Trump and his supporters and realizing they couldn't win without them.

Why run when no matter which way they go, they're looking at defeat? A Democratic Party united against Trump if nothing else. Very energetic to get out and vote against Trump by voting for democrats for congress. Independents fleeing Trump and looking to vote for the Democrat, at least as of now. Trump supporters looking to oust them because they aren't 100% Trump. What this is leading to very well could be a big blue wave in November.

Personally, I think the election was Hillary's to lose and by letting Trump outwork and out campaign her the way she did, she asked for it. Then again, she may not have been in the perfect health everyone assumed she was and she needed those days off. The health question may have arose in India a week or two ago once more. Who knows? I think the bottom line is Hillary supporters will never admit she was a flawed candidate and contributed to her own defeat more than anyone or anything else.

There are a ton of other reasons outside the Russians, Sanders supporters failing to show up to vote on election day, then those who did voted 73% Clinton, 12% Trump, 15% third party. They were angry at the rigged primaries in Clinton's favor. If they had voted about the same as the Democratic base, 89%, Clinton, 8% Trump, 3% third party, Hillary would have been sitting in the oval office today. Blacks also didn't support her like Obama. The black portion of the electorate fell from 13% in 2012 down to 12% in 2016. Obama among blacks beat Romney 93-6, Clinton over Trump 88-8. Hillary did worst than Obama in almost every blocking block. Hispanics, Asians, union households. etc. etc. Even the young, the 18-29 year old's. Obama over Romney 60-37, Clinton over Trump 55-36. Now there was a swap of support between High school or less and college grads. Obama won High School or less in 2012 while Romney won the college grads. In 2016, it was Trump winning the High School or less while Clinton won college grads.

End of book, for now. Just one more thing, when the Republican nominated Trump, I immediately resigned myself to a Hillary Clinton presidency. There was no way I ever thought Trump could win. then like most, I ignored the latest polls taken on the 6th. I went to bed election night early, around 10PM as I knew Hillary was going to win. I predicted that in fact. If I had looked at the last polls taken instead of ignoring them. I would have found Trump taking the lead in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
 
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