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Revival of Nazism in Europe

SenorXm/Sirius said:
BLM is a White Supremacists group and Neo-Nazis?

That IS what we are talking about here. The rise of WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND NEO-NAZIS. I don't think Blacks will fit in with either group.

Try to pay attention.
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Should it matter if they are white supremacists or black supremacists?? They are a Supremacist group and they are openly supported by Hillary Clinton, as opposed to Pres. Trump who has openly stated that he doesn't support white supremacists. You can chose who you support, but you can't chose who supports you.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Right next to Obama's and Clintons FEMA concentration camps you rabid right wingers were sure existed during Obama's Admin.. Right?
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Please quote me saying that Obama FEMA camps exist.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Sorry, I didn't realize the truth hurting that much and hitting so close to home.

If you don't believe Trump has empowered the far right nationalist in this country you're not paying attention. Or your head is buried somewhere.
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Oborosen said:
Please don't start this crap here. The OP was already suspect enough, without this kind of stupidity being waxed into it.
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This is just the type of back and forth altercation a Russian troll would start.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
2nd page of the thread and none of DP's far right Trump ass kissing apologists mentioned Hillary. Good work getting her into the thread. AND defending the Nazis in the same paragraph.

You must be proud.
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You seem nice.
 
American said:
Please quote me saying that Obama FEMA camps exist.
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Please point out why you would think I have no idea where Auschwitz is. Actually I've read dozens and dozens of books on WW II, the holocaust and the rise and fall of the 3rd Reich. I even wrote some papers on WW II..

So if you are going to throw out ridiculous generalizations about me where you have NO idea what you are talking about, so can I.
 
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Spartacus FPV said:
Well I guess that excuses the rest of it then. I hope the rest of your day is as pleasant as you have been. :2wave:
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Thank you for your kind words.

My day's been good, not looking forward to the snow here tomorrow. But people always complain about the weather, but they never do anything about it.

Are we now done with our phony shallow platitudes? lol ;)

I hope you have a nice day too. Really I do.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Please point out why you would think I have no idea where Auschwitz is. Actually I've read dozens and dozens of books on WW II, the holocaust and the rise and fall of the 3rd Reich. I even wrote some papers on WW II..

So if you are going to throw out ridiculous generalizations about me where you can have NO idea what you are talking about, so can I.
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Clearly haven't learned anything or can't comprehend what you read. Because anyone that tries to compare Trump to the Nazis hasn't got the sense God gave a banana.
 
American said:
Clearly haven't learned anything or can't comprehend what you read. Because anyone that tries to compare Trump to the Nazis hasn't got the sense God gave a banana.
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Get your head out of Trump's colon.

I NEVER compared Trump to Nazis. I said the modern Nazis and White Supremacists have aligned themselves to Trump and the current GOP. He, and other right wing leaders in Europe have 'empowered' them. I never compared them to Nazis, or even call them Nazis.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Get your head out of Trump's colon.

I NEVER compared Trump to Nazis. I said the modern Nazis and White Supremacists have aligned themselves to Trump and the current GOP. He, and other right wing leaders in Europe have 'empowered' them. I never compared them to Nazis, or even call them Nazis.
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You're making the association, what's the diff. Nothing! You remind me of Dick Durbin, comparing our troop in Gitmo to Nazis. The fact that you venture into that area at all says a lot about you.
 
WCH said:
I was going to mention that but, didn't feel like playing the "you're a racist" game this morning.
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Yeah, I know how you feel. That game does get old though.
 
American said:
You're making the association, what's the diff. Nothing! You remind me of Dick Durbin, comparing our troop in Gitmo to Nazis. The fact that you venture into that area at all says a lot about you.
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He has nothing better to do, so let him rot were he sits.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Most importantly -- WHY do you think it's increasing?
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Ray Dalio says it is exactly like after the 1929 crash. The rise of inequality (wage gap), suppression of wages, populism and nationalism as answer to it all. Even the economic politics are similar. 2008 was the biggest economic crash since 1929, and the inequality today (wage gap) is the highest since the 30s. The populism and nationalism is more expressive today since 30s.

Because it is easier to appeal to our primitive basic instinct of tribalism support of our victmism feelings, than use our brain potential capacity to understand the economic politics and the macro world around us. And many people seeking power takes advantage of it.
 
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We've really gotten to the point where every single ****ing political topic has to be about Trump and Hillary, haven't we? Good ****ing god, why don't all of you hyper-partisans take a goddamn break from bringing this bull**** into every single ****ing thread.

To be on topic, we have a former-member of the American Nazi Party running unopposed in the Illinois Republican Primary, so this **** isn't exactly contained to Europe.
 
C R O I X said:
Ray Dalio says it is exactly like after the 1929 crash. The rise of inequality (wage gap), suppression of wages, populism and nationalism as answer to it all. Even the economic politics are similar. 2008 was the biggest economic crash since 1929, and the inequality today (wage gap) is the highest since the 30s. The populism and nationalism is more expressive today since 30s.

Because it is easier to appeal to our primitive basic instinct of tribalism support of our victmism feelings, than use our brain potential capacity to understand the economic politics and the macro world around us. And many people seeking power takes advantage of it.
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I think you've nailed it here. The average citizen who feels the pinch of fewer jobs or lost wages wants someone else to blame, and certain politicians, as you say, will take advantage of that.

The deal is, however, those feelings, tribalistic as they may be, must be taken into consideration before this kind of movement begins to rise. Because, movements like this do not rise in a vacuum. They are a reaction to the things you mentioned -- feelings of being suppressed, and those governments who do not see and do not address those feelings from the very start are likely to witness movements like this down the road.

One of the problems comes in trying to shame the people into acting differently -- it creates resentment, which keeps building until it boils over and a movement like this gains power. It's all avoidable if wise people are governing. When it happens, it's usually the case that the leaders have alienated (maybe intentionally, maybe not) some of the people and minimized their concerns. It happened in the US and contributed to the election of Trump and the *slight* increase of nationalism.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I think you've nailed it here. The average citizen who feels the pinch of fewer jobs or lost wages wants someone else to blame, and certain politicians, as you say, will take advantage of that.

The deal is, however, those feelings, tribalistic as they may be, must be taken into consideration before this kind of movement begins to rise. Because, movements like this do not rise in a vacuum. They are a reaction to the things you mentioned -- feelings of being suppressed, and those governments who do not see and do not address those feelings from the very start are likely to witness movements like this down the road.

One of the problems comes in trying to shame the people into acting differently -- it creates resentment, which keeps building until it boils over and a movement like this gains power. It's all avoidable if wise people are governing. When it happens, it's usually the case that the leaders have alienated (maybe intentionally, maybe not) some of the people and minimized their concerns. It happened in the US and contributed to the election of Trump and the *slight* increase of nationalism.
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I agree.

I don't think the problem is on one side alone but the kind of interaction between two sides. The left such as communists and globalists with their equality and integration intentions, tend to forget that they can not remove this that makes us Humans. The sense of belonging we create when we have something that make us different than others and similar to some others (our origins, our appearance, our history, our culture, our language , etc). Nationalism, populism and religion are often replaced by sports, politics and ideologies. When it happens it is called polarization with the goal to sacrifice anything to defeat the other, even democracy. At the end, the left is not very different from the right whom they complain about. The more extremist they are in their supposed opposite direction the more similar they become.

I saw a reportage showing that democracy has being shrinking in the past 10 years worldwide because of polarization. It is the biggest threat to democracy.

Just an observation, many people like to see themselves a part from their origin and culture, and identify themselves to others which is not from their origins. Nazism are are not only among wite north america and Europeans, but also among brown people in Brazil and Indonesia who feel more belonging with the Nazism ideology and German past than to the history, politics, ideologies of the culture where they came from. The same with young European from Europeans families running from home to join Islamic fundamentalists in Syria.
 
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Cisero said:
Jesus Christ, no. How many times must this be said ? (Also, citing a .txt document from "archive.org" may be the least credible source in the history of sources). Allow me to link to sources of my own :

Snopes



Wikipedia



Wikiwand



Mein Kampf (Hitler on Communism / Russia)




Hitler himself was immensely opposed to left wing ideologies. He waged a god damn war against Russia and regularly criticized Communism.

I hope your ludicrous claim will promptly die.
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It will NOT die because here in the U.S. people like the billionaire Mercer Family, groups like Breitbart and countless right wing think tanks are spending millions upon millions to spread this revisionism with Orwellian efficiency.
Not only will it not die, it is growing, it is fully entrenched and it goes hand in hand with partner revisionism constructs that make claims like "slavery was actually pretty okay" for black people, Democrats ARE (not were) the REAL racists, etc.

Ignoring the Southern Strategy takeover of the Southern Democrats, normalizing slavery, normalizing Jim Crow, painting Nazism as a liberal ideology, denying the Holocaust, all of this is an interlocking mosaic of weaponized bull**** which, if not a paid psyop, certainly mimics one in every respect.

And the latest supporter of it is indeed Vladimir Putin, because all of this plays right into his hands.
Poisoning an entire generation of younger Americans with these lies is all Putin needs to endear them to his agenda.

None of this is accidental and none of it is "organic" or "homegrown by happenstance"...it is PAID and developed, it is optimized by data analytics and it is focused on targeted groups.
 
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