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American-Turkish War? American Soldiers are Refusing to Leave Turkish Military Target

I am one Turk who is badly against Erdogan but just yesterday Kurdish YPG's rockets killed a little Turkish girl in Turkey's southern city, Kilis, close to the Syrian border.

It is like Israel thing, they have to clear there. US is an ally but you cant expect Turkey to bow down, its citizens' life at stake.

So I hope USA don't nuke us. I may die too as a result.
 
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Jesse Booth said:
Your sign of a dictatorship is ridiculous. Our government does not cease to be a federal republic with an extensive system of checks & balances just because Trump is full of himself. He can't limit our constitutional rights without at least 75 senators and 326 representatives to get together and agree exactly on how to replace a certain Amendment. Unless we get to the point where more than 3/4 of our legislative branch are literal Nazis who all agree perfectly with each other, we're never going to see a legal dictatorship in this country.
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??????? How in the world could you think I was talking out the United States ???????

I am sorry, Jesse, if i did not make myself clear. It is apparent my your response I did not.
I was not talking about the US. Here in the US you do not see full face pics of some leader the size of a four story building.
In Uganda under Amin you did.
The pic in the OP shows the same in Turkey.
All over Stalinist Russia they did it too.
Same with Mao in red China.
...and the same in North Korea.

In those places you could not turn a corner without seeing an image of their dictator everywhere.
That was my point.

Not here.
Dictators love to see full face pics of themselves four stories tall at least, and they like to see their image everywhere they go.

Does that make things clearer?
I don't see where you could think i was talking about the US in my post.
 
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PoS said:
It's a Turkish thing because its right on their border. Why are we even there?
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Yup, exactly, we have to clear the border. Yesterday 5 year old Turkish girl got killed in Turkey because of the rocket coming from Syria.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Turkey under Erdogan hasn't been a NATO democracy or a US ally for at least the past two years. Ankara is now buying Russian weapon systems.
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We (us seculars) fully reject Erdogan, but we have no security at the moment, a turkish girl just got killed yesterday, 19 injured today after the rocket from Northern Syria. Would US allow it if rockets keep coming from Mexico?
 
PleasantValley said:
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Yeah, that clears up a lot. My bad, there's just been a lot of talk about America being a "dictatorship" because a crotchety old man bitches about the press while he's the sitting President.

In terms of the superficial trappings of a dictatorship, I would still say that the simple rule of unrestrained power is the mark of a dictator. Benevolent or malevolent, very little good comes of a supreme leader who isn't restrained by any kind of checks and balances. Also, there have been a great number of leaders in history who slapped their faces onto everything without having such powers. The Roman Emperors prior to Julius Caesar come to mind as a good example.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Except going to with Turkey would be insane. It's an operation quite possibly out of the reach of the US Armed forces today.
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:lamo

Oh my god, such defeatist rubbish...

Of all the reason's why the US and Turkey wouldn't get into a scrap today, the US military's lack of capability would not be one of them.

Turkey would get crushed like cockroaches.
 
How is the Turkish Navy these days? Does it drive ships into other ships because the commanders forgot the basic rules of seamanship?
 
ChezC3 said:
Turkey would get crushed like cockroaches.
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No, they wouldn't. The American people wouldn't tolerate such a war in a hundred years. Turkey's not a 4th rate power or a paper tiger like Iraq. They have a large, standing military, armed with weaponry we gave them, sitting atop some of the most easily defensible terrain in the world.

It's not defeatism. It's called not being a '****ing grade A moron.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
No, they wouldn't. The American people wouldn't tolerate such a war in a hundred years. Turkey's not a 4th rate power or a paper tiger like Iraq. They have a large, standing military, armed with weaponry we gave them, sitting atop some of the most easily defensible terrain in the world.

It's not defeatism. It's called not being a '****ing grade A moron.
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:yawn:

Sounds more like not knowing what the **** you're talking about.
 
camlok said:
No, but we definitely can say this is an American thing. A deeply evil American thing, Jesse. How can a body even suggest they could be proud of a country that has spent 93% of its years in a state of war?

How come people like the Germans can learn but learning is totally beyond Americans' ken?
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The 93% garbage claim... lol
 
Indian Giver said:
How is the Turkish Navy these days? Does it drive ships into other ships because the commanders forgot the basic rules of seamanship?
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They don't have blacks or Jews in their military that can mess things up... but we have so many white people... we cant lose to Arabs.
 
camlok said:
No one needs to or has to dominate the globe.
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Obviously, you don't understand US Geo-Strategic Plans or US Foreign Policy.

Jesse Booth said:
What part of "their technology is on par with ours" did you not understand? Turkey has a navy too, and an air force & artillery and even their own nukes.
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Um, Turkey does not now, nor has it ever had, its own nuclear weapons, but thanks for the disinformation just the same.

Jesse Booth said:
Do you want to get into a nuclear war with Russia? Because this is exactly how you get into a nuclear war with Russia.
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War with Russia does not automatically result in the use of nuclear weapons.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
People actually claiming Pearl Harbor is a false flag now. Lord what have we done...
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I believe such claims stem from the fact that the US had intended to counter-ambush the Japanese. Unfortunately, Victor Sorge -- the Soviet spy working at the German embassy in Japan misidentified a Japanese ship, confusing it with its sister-ship. That resulted in the US believing that the Japanese Fleet would arrive in the vicinity a few days later than it actually did.

Jredbaron96 said:
No, they wouldn't. The American people wouldn't tolerate such a war in a hundred years. Turkey's not a 4th rate power or a paper tiger like Iraq. They have a large, standing military, armed with weaponry we gave them, sitting atop some of the most easily defensible terrain in the world.

It's not defeatism. It's called not being a '****ing grade A moron.
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US military equipment that is exported isn't always completely identical to the equipment used by the US.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that the Turkish government has arrested and imprisoned more than 9,000 military officers.
 
Risk of Conflict in Northern Syria Between U.S., Turkey Rising

By Selcan Hacaoglu and Nafeesa Syeed
February 2, 2018, 12:00 AM EST Updated on February 2, 2018, 5:08 PM EST
  • American troops are embedded with Kurds in Turkey’s crosshairs
  • Both sides say they talk regularly, but no sign of a fix yet
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Smoke billows from the northern Syrian Kurdish town of Afrin on Jan. 31. Photographer: Ahmad Shafie Bilal/AFP via Getty Images


When Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan launched an offensive there last month against U.S.-backed Kurdish fighters, he started in an area where American troops aren’t embedded with their allies.

But he said the operation will soon extend further east, to the town of Manbij, where they are. “We’ll press against terrorists without taking into consideration who’s next to them,” Erdogan said Jan. 30. Several ministers have made the same point.
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Russia moved its soldiers in northern Syria out of the way of the advancing Turks. The U.S. is signaling it won’t follow suit.
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Well, ****...
 
Mircea said:
Obviously, you don't understand US Geo-Strategic Plans or US Foreign Policy.



Um, Turkey does not now, nor has it ever had, its own nuclear weapons, but thanks for the disinformation just the same.



War with Russia does not automatically result in the use of nuclear weapons.
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Second part wasn't misinformation, just misunderstanding - others corrected me already, but it was too late to edit my post. Rather than Turkey owning nukes, a few air bases IN Turkey own nukes. Nukes that would quickly be taken by Turkish soldiers if a war were ever to break out between them and America.

While a war with Russia doesn't guarantee a nuclear war, it is literally the only way a nuclear war with Russia could possibly begin. Let's not find out what happens when push comes to shove, shall we?
 
Mircea said:
US military equipment that is exported isn't always completely identical to the equipment used by the US.
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It's still pretty damn good, actually. On top of that Turkey has a vibrant and successful defense industry of it's own right.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that the Turkish government has arrested and imprisoned more than 9,000 military officers.
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Which we still don't know how it will affect the performance of the Turkish Armed Forces in combat. It could be crippling or it could be a minor obstacle.
 
ChezC3 said:
:yawn:

Sounds more like not knowing what the **** you're talking about.
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Yeah, right, because I'm sure you have all the answers just waiting to be unleashed.

Get real. Turkey's not some 4th rate power we could just push around. If we really went all out, we could win if for no other reason then we have a lot more money and people than Turkey, but to suggest we'd just curbstomp them is stupid.

There's a reason this situation with Turkey is being handled very carefully. They're an important regional power with a lot of weight to throw around
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Yeah, right, because I'm sure you have all the answers just waiting to be unleashed.

Get real. Turkey's not some 4th rate power we could just push around. If we really went all out, we could win if for no other reason then we have a lot more money and people than Turkey, but to suggest we'd just curbstomp them is stupid.

There's a reason this situation with Turkey is being handled very carefully. They're an important regional power with a lot of weight to throw around
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I don't have all the answers, just the correct ones.

I am. Yes, it actually is when it's all said and done. Turkey is as big as we want Turkey to be and no bigger. If we really went all out there would be a gaping whole filling up with ocean water where a patch of land and a sniveling upstart mad for power and begging for respect used to be. We wouldn't need to go all out however.

I started to go in depth, but drew back, I can tell it would be wasted on you. Bottom line is diplomacy and politics not military might or the lack thereof is why we are reserved in our actions.
 
ChezC3 said:
I don't have all the answers, just the correct ones.

I am. Yes, it actually is when it's all said and done. Turkey is as big as we want Turkey to be and no bigger. If we really went all out there would be a gaping whole filling up with ocean water where a patch of land and a sniveling upstart mad for power and begging for respect used to be. We wouldn't need to go all out however.

I started to go in depth, but drew back, I can tell it would be wasted on you. Bottom line is diplomacy and politics not military might or the lack thereof is why we are reserved in our actions.
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There's also the minor detail of the NATO alliance.
 
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