Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened?

Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened?

https://www.salon.com/2017/12/08/ford-is-moving-a-production-plant-to-mexico/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/...&gwh=85EDEE5604402074F3BED57D8C4F129E&gwt=pay


It appears obvious to me that US car manufacturers have abandoned Democrats, their corrupt politicians, their corrupt unions, their taxes, their decaying cities, their crushing regulations, their high priced energy schemes and their overpriced labor in favor of moving to China or even Mexico. GM now makes more cars in China than in the USA and Ford's largest seller, the F-150 pickup, will be exclusively made in Mexico.

Now due to lower taxes, affordable and reliable energy, a non-combative, non-Democrat, non-union work force the the South (Trump Land) has indeed risen again and leaving the dusty death of the Democrats in their wake. The Germans and the Japanese car mfg'ing people will have nothing to do with "liberal land"

No one in their right mind is building Billion Dollar car plants in regions where Democrats abide but rather in states like South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee,
and Texas

Is this why crooked Hillary lost ?

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

SirGareth said:

https://www.salon.com/2017/12/08/ford-is-moving-a-production-plant-to-mexico/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/...&gwh=85EDEE5604402074F3BED57D8C4F129E&gwt=pay


It appears obvious to me that US car manufacturers have abandoned Democrats, their corrupt politicians, their corrupt unions, their taxes, their decaying cities, their crushing regulations, their high priced energy schemes and their overpriced labor in favor of moving to China or even Mexico. GM now makes more cars in China than in the USA and Ford's largest seller, the F-150 pickup, will be exclusively made in Mexico.

Now due to lower taxes, affordable and reliable energy, a non-combative, non-Democrat, non-union work force the the South (Trump Land) has indeed risen again and leaving the dusty death of the Democrats in their wake. The Germans and the Japanese car mfg'ing people will have nothing to do with "liberal land"

No one in their right mind is building Billion Dollar car plants in regions where Democrats abide but rather in states like South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee,
and Texas

Is this why crooked Hillary lost ?

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The trend began long ago.

Compact and subcompact cars have been made in Asia and Europe since the 1980s. The USA went from being THE maker of cars to the maker of SOME SUVs and full sized trucks.

Hillary isn't to blame. The Democrats aren't to blame.

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

Doing your manufacturing in a right to work state just makes sense. Why put yourself (and your employees) at the mercy of a union if you don't have to? Back when "union" generally meant better skills and a commitment to quality it may have been a good idea but those times are long gone and now all that "union" means is higher labor costs, abusive relationships with non-union employees and ork stoppages as part of every negotiation.

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

SirGareth said:

https://www.salon.com/2017/12/08/ford-is-moving-a-production-plant-to-mexico/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/...&gwh=85EDEE5604402074F3BED57D8C4F129E&gwt=pay


It appears obvious to me that US car manufacturers have abandoned Democrats, their corrupt politicians, their corrupt unions, their taxes, their decaying cities, their crushing regulations, their high priced energy schemes and their overpriced labor in favor of moving to China or even Mexico. GM now makes more cars in China than in the USA and Ford's largest seller, the F-150 pickup, will be exclusively made in Mexico.

Now due to lower taxes, affordable and reliable energy, a non-combative, non-Democrat, non-union work force the the South (Trump Land) has indeed risen again and leaving the dusty death of the Democrats in their wake. The Germans and the Japanese car mfg'ing people will have nothing to do with "liberal land"

No one in their right mind is building Billion Dollar car plants in regions where Democrats abide but rather in states like South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee,
and Texas

Is this why crooked Hillary lost ?

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Where did you come up with the F150 being exclusively made in Mexico? Ford according to my information makes them in two Plants Dearborn and Kansas. None in Mexico? No reported plans have Ford moving production of the F150 to Mexico.

The Fusion will from all appearances will only be made in China in a couple of years

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

Fledermaus said:

The trend began long ago.

Compact and subcompact cars have been made in Asia and Europe since the 1980s. The USA went from being THE maker of cars to the maker of SOME SUVs and full sized trucks.

Hillary isn't to blame. The Democrats aren't to blame.

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Mexican F-150 trucks and Buick Veranos made in China are not "sub compacts" lets stay real .

I'm still trying to find out why the US car companies fled the Democrat states and foreign car manufacturers are flooding into the Republican states. You have no theory about this I guess? maybe its caused by "global warming?"

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SirGareth said:

Mexican F-150 trucks and Buick Veranos made in China are not "sub compacts" lets stay real .

I'm still trying to find out why the US car companies fled the Democrat states and foreign car manufacturers are flooding into the Republican states. You have no theory about this I guess? maybe its caused by "global warming?"

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FYI

The F150 is not made in Mexico at this time

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

SirGareth said:

https://www.salon.com/2017/12/08/ford-is-moving-a-production-plant-to-mexico/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/...&gwh=85EDEE5604402074F3BED57D8C4F129E&gwt=pay


It appears obvious to me that US car manufacturers have abandoned Democrats, their corrupt politicians, their corrupt unions, their taxes, their decaying cities, their crushing regulations, their high priced energy schemes and their overpriced labor in favor of moving to China or even Mexico. GM now makes more cars in China than in the USA and Ford's largest seller, the F-150 pickup, will be exclusively made in Mexico.

Now due to lower taxes, affordable and reliable energy, a non-combative, non-Democrat, non-union work force the the South (Trump Land) has indeed risen again and leaving the dusty death of the Democrats in their wake. The Germans and the Japanese car mfg'ing people will have nothing to do with "liberal land"

No one in their right mind is building Billion Dollar car plants in regions where Democrats abide but rather in states like South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee,
and Texas

Is this why crooked Hillary lost ?

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Q- Know why foreign manufacturers favour the South?
A- For the same reason GE opens maquiladora facilities in Mexico instead of, say, France.

Next question-which is a better place to live, Mexico or France?

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

Lutherf said:

Doing your manufacturing in a right to work state just makes sense. Why put yourself (and your employees) at the mercy of a union if you don't have to? Back when "union" generally meant better skills and a commitment to quality it may have been a good idea but those times are long gone and now all that "union" means is higher labor costs, abusive relationships with non-union employees and ork stoppages as part of every negotiation.

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With every passing year I find myself agreeing more and more with that position regarding unions. They served a vital purpose in our nation’s history and labor laws. Today I am having difficulty seeing any net gain from them. Granted, I have never belonged to a union so I am not speaking from experience.

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

SirGareth said:

Mexican F-150 trucks and Buick Veranos made in China are not "sub compacts" lets stay real .

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Did I infer, imply or state F-150 trucks and Buick Veranos were sub compacts? Indeed. Lets stay real.

SirGareth said:

I'm still trying to find out why the US car companies fled the Democrat states and foreign car manufacturers are flooding into the Republican states. You have no theory about this I guess? maybe its caused by "global warming?"

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US car companies fled the Democrat states because traditionally those states are where the US car companies were located.

As far as foreign car manufacturers "flooding" into the Republican states? Have you citation for that?

And, hell, even during the 1970s and 1980s much of our (USA) cars were made in Canada.

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

Fledermaus said:

As far as foreign car manufacturers "flooding" into the Republican states? Have you citation for that?

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Here you go:

"Time was, the Big Three were the U.S. auto industry. No longer. Over the past two decades, enticed by cheap labor and massive incentives, a second auto industry has emerged: nonunion, Southern-based, and foreign-owned. Large plants, with names of Asian and European carmakers emblazoned upon them, now dot the Southern landscape. By moving aggressively into Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, Georgia, and Texas, foreign manufacturers—call them the "Little Eight"—have transformed the economic geography of the nation's auto industry and the political debate surrounding its future.

To hear the rhetoric wafting down from Capitol Hill of late, you'd think that Toyota, Hyundai, BMW, and the rest are as all-American as Mom and apple pie. And in many ways, they now are. Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky made an impassioned plea on the Senate floor for his colleagues to oppose the $15 billion aid package the House of Representatives had approved for General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler. "Labor costs need to be brought on par with companies like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda—not tomorrow, but immediately," he said. By the weekend, McConnell and fellow anti-bailout Republicans like Richard Shelby of Alabama and Bob Corker of Tennessee had stopped the bailout bill in the Senate.

The Southerners seem to have chosen an especially precipitous time to pick their fight with the Detroit Yankees: Without the money, General Motors and Chrysler have warned that they might be forced to file for bankruptcy protection. Harley Shaiken, a labor economist at the University of California-Berkeley, says a Detroit meltdown, on the eve of Christmas and in the midst of the worst job market in modern memory, "would be a devastating anti-stimulus package."

The anti-bailout lawmakers are all Republicans possessed of a deep-seated antipathy to organized labor and angry at the way the government has bungled the financial bailout. But they and many of their counterparts in the Senate have become experts on the labor practices of foreign manufacturers, because they've seen them up close. The tussle over the bailout has evinced what at first blush may seem a new kind of provincialism that pits Democrats and a few Republicans (like Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio) from heavy union and Big Three states against Republicans from right-to-work states in the old Confederacy. While McConnell & Co. oppose federal subsidies for the Big Three at the federal level, the states from which they hail have generously extended billions of dollars in subsidies to foreign automakers."

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How foreign car factories have transformed the American South.

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

SirGareth said:

Here you go:


How foreign car factories have transformed the American South.

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Thank you.

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Skeptic Bob said:

With every passing year I find myself agreeing more and more with that position regarding unions. They served a vital purpose in our nation’s history and labor laws. Today I am having difficulty seeing any net gain from them. Granted, I have never belonged to a union so I am not speaking from experience.

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My experience has been a positive one.
The union I belong to has developed an incredible training facility. The companies that hire us do not have to pay for training or certification. That is all done through dues. Huge savings for them.
Employers pay the wage because we are very well trained and have to follow professional standards. If you do not uphold the standards - you loose your job.
There is nothing militant about it. I see it as a collection of individuals that pool money to help pay for training, pensions, and insurance....in case of injury. I just had my hips replaced and the wage I received while off was paid through union insurance.
But you know, work comes down to an individual philosophy - some people want to grow and keep learning - some want a pay check because they woke up on time.
I understand peoples distaste for the loud mouthed, lazy union blow hard. However, that image is about as realistic as - all rich people are greedy and evil.
just my experience.

Be well.

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can2man said:

My experience has been a positive one.
The union I belong to has developed an incredible training facility. The companies that hire us do not have to pay for training or certification. That is all done through dues. Huge savings for them.
Employers pay the wage because we are very well trained and have to follow professional standards. If you do not uphold the standards - you loose your job.
There is nothing militant about it. I see it as a collection of individuals that pool money to help pay for training, pensions, and insurance....in case of injury. I just had my hips replaced and the wage I received while off was paid through union insurance.
But you know, work comes down to an individual philosophy - some people want to grow and keep learning - some want a pay check because they woke up on time.
I understand peoples distaste for the loud mouthed, lazy union blow hard. However, that image is about as realistic as - all rich people are greedy and evil.
just my experience.

Be well.

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Sounds a lot like my experience with the Ironworkers Union. As an apprentice I was indentured to the union so I had a very broad experience when I became a journeyman, unlike a non-union apprentice who only learned what the company he was indentured to did. The contractor could call the hiring hall, ask for, say, two connectors, a welder and an apprentice and know that trained, qualified people would show up in the morning. Simple. I could be laid off and replaced any time the contractor wanted, with no explanation.
In my experience we in the union were always aware of the need to perform. Those on the non-union side were always aware of how difficult they were to replace.

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

SirGareth said:

Mexican F-150 trucks and Buick Veranos made in China are not "sub compacts" lets stay real .

I'm still trying to find out why the US car companies fled the Democrat states and foreign car manufacturers are flooding into the Republican states. You have no theory about this I guess? maybe its caused by "global warming?"

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They are going to republican states because republicans give away land and massive tax cuts to get them there. When they find a better deal, then they will be on their way again.

Personally I think any politician who gives favours and bribes to companies to come make factories should be arrested and the companies who demand and accept such things, should closed or nationalised. It is basically robbing the poor to give to the rich and it is against the free market and is anti competitive.

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Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

Fledermaus said:

The trend began long ago.

Compact and subcompact cars have been made in Asia and Europe since the 1980s. The USA went from being THE maker of cars to the maker of SOME SUVs and full sized trucks.

Hillary isn't to blame. The Democrats aren't to blame.

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What an ignorant post.
Car makers build assembly plants in right to work states.
Look up that term and you might figure out why all by yourself.
Good luck with that.
You could even look up the AALA and become even more educated.

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I thought Trumpy-ty Dumpty was bringing all them jobs back. :lamo:lamo:lamo

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

SirGareth said:

https://www.salon.com/2017/12/08/ford-is-moving-a-production-plant-to-mexico/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/...&gwh=85EDEE5604402074F3BED57D8C4F129E&gwt=pay


It appears obvious to me that US car manufacturers have abandoned Democrats, their corrupt politicians, their corrupt unions, their taxes, their decaying cities, their crushing regulations, their high priced energy schemes and their overpriced labor in favor of moving to China or even Mexico. GM now makes more cars in China than in the USA and Ford's largest seller, the F-150 pickup, will be exclusively made in Mexico.

Now due to lower taxes, affordable and reliable energy, a non-combative, non-Democrat, non-union work force the the South (Trump Land) has indeed risen again and leaving the dusty death of the Democrats in their wake. The Germans and the Japanese car mfg'ing people will have nothing to do with "liberal land"

All this from a gentleman who believes in the totally wacky USGOCT but can't provide any evidence to support it. Same situation here. GHW Bush pushed and signed NAFTA, which sent the car companies scrambling to Mexico. And why is a self described "Very Conservative" fellow whining about free enterprise? This is stunningly hypocritical!!

"Germans and the Japanese car mfg'ing people" treat their workers much better, which means in a liberal/human fashion compared to the USA.

How Germany Builds Twice As Many Cars As The U.S. While Paying Its Workers Twice As Much


https://www.forbes.com/sites/freder...-its-auto-workers-twice-as-much/#5aa096616b78

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No one in their right mind is building Billion Dollar car plants in regions where Democrats abide but rather in states like South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee,
and Texas

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That tells you a lot right there.

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SMTA said:

What an ignorant post.
Car makers build assembly plants in right to work states.
Look up that term and you might figure out why all by yourself.
Good luck with that.
You could even look up the AALA and become even more educated.

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Didn't the trend for cars being built outside Detroit and rebadge them begin long ago?

Yes, it did.... Why? Lower cost.

Model Year(s) Country of assembly Original model
Buick Cascada 2016–present Poland Opel Cascada
Buick Encore 2013–present South Korea Opel Mokka
Buick Envision 2016–present China
Buick Opel 1976–1980 Japan Isuzu Gemini
Buick Regal 2010–2011 (some, but not all 2011) Germany Opel Insignia
Cadillac Catera 1997–2001 Germany Opel Omega
Chevrolet Aveo 2004–2011 South Korea Daewoo Kalos
Chevrolet Caprice PPV 2011–2017 Australia Holden Caprice
Chevrolet City Express 2014-present Japan Nissan NV200
Chevrolet LUV 1972–1982 Japan Isuzu P'up
Chevrolet SS 2014–2017 Australia Holden VF Commodore
Chevrolet Spectrum 1985–1988 Japan Isuzu Gemini
Chevrolet Sprint 1985–1988 Japan Suzuki Cultus
Chrysler Conquest 1987–1989 Japan Mitsubishi Starion
Chrysler Crossfire 2004–2008 Germany Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class
Chrysler TC by Maserati 1989–1991 Italy
Dodge Challenger 1978–1983 Japan Mitsubishi Galant Lambda
Dodge/Plymouth Colt 1971–1994 Japan Mitsubishi Galant
Mitsubishi Mirage
Dodge Conquest 1984–1986 Japan Mitsubishi Starion
Dodge D-50 1979–1986 Japan Mitsubishi Forte
Dodge Raider 1987–1989 Japan Mitsubishi Pajero
Dodge Ram 50 1987–1989 Japan Mitsubishi Mighty Max
Dodge Stealth 1991–1996 Japan Mitsubishi GTO
Eagle Medallion 1988–1989 France Renault 21
Eagle Summit 1989–1996 Japan Mitsubishi Mirage
Ford Anglia 1948–1967 United Kingdom Ford Anglia
Ford Aspire 1994–1997 South Korea Kia Avella
Ford Cortina 1962–1970 United Kingdom Lotus Cortina
Ford Courier 1972–1982 Japan Mazda B-Series
Ford Fiesta 1978–1980 Germany
Ford Festiva 1988–1993 South Korea Kia Pride
Ford Focus RS 2016-present Germany
Ford Transit Connect 2010–2013 Turkey
Ford Transit Connect 2014–present Spain
Geo Metro 1989–1994 Japan Suzuki Cultus
Geo Spectrum 1989 Japan Isuzu Gemini
Geo Storm 1990–1993 Japan Isuzu Piazza
Geo Tracker 1989–1990 (some, but not all 1990) Japan Suzuki Escudo
Jeep Renegade 2014-present Italy
Mercury Capri 1970–1977 Germany Ford Capri
Mercury Capri 1991–1994 Australia Ford Capri
Mercury Tracer (3-door model) 1988–1989 Japan Mazda 323
Merkur Scorpio 1988–1989 Germany Ford Scorpio
Merkur XR4Ti 1985–1989 Germany Ford Sierra XR4i
Plymouth Arrow 1976–1980 Japan Mitsubishi Celeste
Plymouth Arrow Truck 1979–1982 Japan Mitsubishi Forte
Plymouth Champ 1979–1982 Japan Mitsubishi Mirage
Plymouth Conquest 1984–1986 Japan Mitsubishi Starion
Plymouth Cricket 1971–1973 United Kingdom Hillman Avenger
Plymouth Sapporo 1978–1983 Japan Mitsubishi Galant Lambda
Pontiac G3 2009 South Korea Daewoo Kalos
Pontiac G8 2008–2009 Australia Holden Commodore
Pontiac GTO 2004–2006 Australia Holden Monaro
Ram ProMaster City 2015–present Turkey Fiat Doblò
Pontiac LeMans 1988–1993 South Korea Daewoo LeMans
Saturn Astra 2008–2009 Belgium Opel Astra
Saturn Vue 2007–2009 South Korea Opel Antara
Vauxhall Victor (sold by Pontiac dealers) 1957-1962 United Kingdom


Did we or did we not go from being THE maker of cars to the maker of SOME SUVs and full sized trucks?

Yes, we did.

Auto sales fall again, but buyers flock to SUVs and trucks


U.S. buyers continued a trend they've been following for years, purchasing SUVs and trucks and shunning cars.

Car sales fell 13% in June while trucks and SUVs rose 4%, according to Autodata Corp. Trucks and SUVs accounted for 63% of sales last month. Just five years ago they were less than half.

Auto sales fall again, but buyers flock to SUVs and trucks - LA Times

As to production moving from Detroit to right to work states? You will note I asked for citation. And I got citation. And in Post #11 I THANKED SIR GARETH FOR THE INFORMATION....

Derp.

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Fledermaus said:

Didn't the trend for cars being built outside Detroit and rebadge them begin long ago?

Yes, it did.... Why? Lower cost.

Model Year(s) Country of assembly Original model
Buick Cascada 2016–present Poland Opel Cascada
Buick Encore 2013–present South Korea Opel Mokka
Buick Envision 2016–present China
Buick Opel 1976–1980 Japan Isuzu Gemini
Buick Regal 2010–2011 (some, but not all 2011) Germany Opel Insignia
Cadillac Catera 1997–2001 Germany Opel Omega
Chevrolet Aveo 2004–2011 South Korea Daewoo Kalos
Chevrolet Caprice PPV 2011–2017 Australia Holden Caprice
Chevrolet City Express 2014-present Japan Nissan NV200
Chevrolet LUV 1972–1982 Japan Isuzu P'up
Chevrolet SS 2014–2017 Australia Holden VF Commodore
Chevrolet Spectrum 1985–1988 Japan Isuzu Gemini
Chevrolet Sprint 1985–1988 Japan Suzuki Cultus
Chrysler Conquest 1987–1989 Japan Mitsubishi Starion
Chrysler Crossfire 2004–2008 Germany Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class
Chrysler TC by Maserati 1989–1991 Italy
Dodge Challenger 1978–1983 Japan Mitsubishi Galant Lambda
Dodge/Plymouth Colt 1971–1994 Japan Mitsubishi Galant
Mitsubishi Mirage
Dodge Conquest 1984–1986 Japan Mitsubishi Starion
Dodge D-50 1979–1986 Japan Mitsubishi Forte
Dodge Raider 1987–1989 Japan Mitsubishi Pajero
Dodge Ram 50 1987–1989 Japan Mitsubishi Mighty Max
Dodge Stealth 1991–1996 Japan Mitsubishi GTO
Eagle Medallion 1988–1989 France Renault 21
Eagle Summit 1989–1996 Japan Mitsubishi Mirage
Ford Anglia 1948–1967 United Kingdom Ford Anglia
Ford Aspire 1994–1997 South Korea Kia Avella
Ford Cortina 1962–1970 United Kingdom Lotus Cortina
Ford Courier 1972–1982 Japan Mazda B-Series
Ford Fiesta 1978–1980 Germany
Ford Festiva 1988–1993 South Korea Kia Pride
Ford Focus RS 2016-present Germany
Ford Transit Connect 2010–2013 Turkey
Ford Transit Connect 2014–present Spain
Geo Metro 1989–1994 Japan Suzuki Cultus
Geo Spectrum 1989 Japan Isuzu Gemini
Geo Storm 1990–1993 Japan Isuzu Piazza
Geo Tracker 1989–1990 (some, but not all 1990) Japan Suzuki Escudo
Jeep Renegade 2014-present Italy
Mercury Capri 1970–1977 Germany Ford Capri
Mercury Capri 1991–1994 Australia Ford Capri
Mercury Tracer (3-door model) 1988–1989 Japan Mazda 323
Merkur Scorpio 1988–1989 Germany Ford Scorpio
Merkur XR4Ti 1985–1989 Germany Ford Sierra XR4i
Plymouth Arrow 1976–1980 Japan Mitsubishi Celeste
Plymouth Arrow Truck 1979–1982 Japan Mitsubishi Forte
Plymouth Champ 1979–1982 Japan Mitsubishi Mirage
Plymouth Conquest 1984–1986 Japan Mitsubishi Starion
Plymouth Cricket 1971–1973 United Kingdom Hillman Avenger
Plymouth Sapporo 1978–1983 Japan Mitsubishi Galant Lambda
Pontiac G3 2009 South Korea Daewoo Kalos
Pontiac G8 2008–2009 Australia Holden Commodore
Pontiac GTO 2004–2006 Australia Holden Monaro
Ram ProMaster City 2015–present Turkey Fiat Doblò
Pontiac LeMans 1988–1993 South Korea Daewoo LeMans
Saturn Astra 2008–2009 Belgium Opel Astra
Saturn Vue 2007–2009 South Korea Opel Antara
Vauxhall Victor (sold by Pontiac dealers) 1957-1962 United Kingdom


Did we or did we not go from being THE maker of cars to the maker of SOME SUVs and full sized trucks?

Yes, we did.

Auto sales fall again, but buyers flock to SUVs and trucks


U.S. buyers continued a trend they've been following for years, purchasing SUVs and trucks and shunning cars.

Car sales fell 13% in June while trucks and SUVs rose 4%, according to Autodata Corp. Trucks and SUVs accounted for 63% of sales last month. Just five years ago they were less than half.

Auto sales fall again, but buyers flock to SUVs and trucks - LA Times

As to production moving from Detroit to right to work states? You will note I asked for citation. And I got citation. And in Post #11 I THANKED SIR GARETH FOR THE INFORMATION....

Derp.

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Nice work.
Americans will buy the cars at the cheapest price.
Thanks to the UAW and the moron executives at the big 3 who are too stupid to negotiate properly, US labor costs are too high to be competitive in a global economy.
US buyers will not care where they are made. Never have, never will.

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SMTA said:

Nice work.
Americans will buy the cars at the cheapest price.
Thanks to the UAW and the moron executives at the big 3 who are too stupid to negotiate properly, US labor costs are too high to be competitive in a global economy.
US buyers will not care where they are made. Never have, never will.

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Took him 2 1/2 hours, but yeah, “nice work” indeed!



A side note: American driver’s buy what they buy because of the price of fuel. Wait until it begins to go up and the SUVs will hit the used lots!

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SMTA said:

Nice work.
Americans will buy the cars at the cheapest price.
Thanks to the UAW and the moron executives at the big 3 who are too stupid to negotiate properly, US labor costs are too high to be competitive in a global economy.
US buyers will not care where they are made. Never have, never will.

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We agree on all you stated above.

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Rexedgar said:

Took him 2 1/2 hours, but yeah, “nice work” indeed!



A side note: American driver’s buy what they buy because of the price of fuel. Wait until it begins to go up and the SUVs will hit the used lots!

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I first saw the response while on a cell.

I responded once I was at a real computer...

And yes. SUVS take a hit when gas prices go up. The only bright spot is Hybrid SUVS which cost even more.

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

Rexedgar said:

Took him 2 1/2 hours, but yeah, “nice work” indeed!



A side note: American driver’s buy what they buy because of the price of fuel. Wait until it begins to go up and the SUVs will hit the used lots!

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So what? More than your contribution.

Re: Most US car brands now imported while most "foreign cars" are now made in the USA, what happened

PeteEU said:

They are going to republican states because republicans give away land and massive tax cuts to get them there. When they find a better deal, then they will be on their way again.

Personally I think any politician who gives favours and bribes to companies to come make factories should be arrested and the companies who demand and accept such things, should closed or nationalised. It is basically robbing the poor to give to the rich and it is against the free market and is anti competitive.

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You do realize Democrats offer those same deals as well right? RTW is the primary reason.

The robbing the poor to give to the rich is such an ignorant comment. The reason politicians offer deals for companies to come to their state because it is much better to have those jobs there and the overall benefit it brings to that community and state. Take the poor in Mississippi, several thousand of those poor people now have a job and much higher quality of life due to the Nissan plant (and several other plants that are here due to the Nissan plant).

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SirGareth said:

https://www.salon.com/2017/12/08/ford-is-moving-a-production-plant-to-mexico/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/...&gwh=85EDEE5604402074F3BED57D8C4F129E&gwt=pay


It appears obvious to me that US car manufacturers have abandoned Democrats, their corrupt politicians, their corrupt unions, their taxes, their decaying cities, their crushing regulations, their high priced energy schemes and their overpriced labor in favor of moving to China or even Mexico. GM now makes more cars in China than in the USA and Ford's largest seller, the F-150 pickup, will be exclusively made in Mexico.

Now due to lower taxes, affordable and reliable energy, a non-combative, non-Democrat, non-union work force the the South (Trump Land) has indeed risen again and leaving the dusty death of the Democrats in their wake. The Germans and the Japanese car mfg'ing people will have nothing to do with "liberal land"

No one in their right mind is building Billion Dollar car plants in regions where Democrats abide but rather in states like South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee,
and Texas

Is this why crooked Hillary lost ?

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New York has been running ads here in Georgia offering any company that moves to New York ten years of no state taxes. I wonder how the companies already in New York feel about that? I haven't the faintest idea if those ads are successful or not. But once relocated to New York, when the ten years are up, boom, your taxes go through the roof.