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What will bitcoin bring in the end?

I’m not familiar with Ripple. If it doesn’t provide anonymity then what advantage does it provide over using credit cards or debit cards?

Low cost, fast and secure transaction processing, particularly in terms of exchange of Forex/crypto/other currencies/value stores and international money transfers (asset agnostic); vis a vis other cryptos, it features, in addition to this significant transactional speed and cost advantage/asset agnosticism, superior scaleability and less problematic governance; It also actively seeks to work within the rules/regulations of modern banking, so is less exposed to the risk of govt crackdowns:

https://oracletimes.com/the-advantages-of-ripple-xrp-as-big-banks-start-moving-in/

https://ripple.com/insights/xrp-compares-btc-eth/
 
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It was meant to be an alternative currency to replace the fiat currency that the world is currently using.
In what way was Bitcoin ever not fiat?

A currency that can truly store one’s wealth.

Storing wealth in currency?
 
Cryptocurrency is a fad.

You have never heard of non-crypto Special Drawing Rights, eh?

The Developing World has a lack of infrastructural development on par with the Developed World. So, in case of say Latin America, the State of California in the USA has more telephone lines (from the former infrastructure of land-line phones--like I grew up with) running through its state than all of Latin America combined.

But with the dawn of smartphones Latin Americans even in the slums had a means of jumping over that lack of communication infrastructural development, not only with phone communication, but with computer access to the internet. I was reading about this many years ago, long before Bitcoin ever existed. Why was it brought up by American tech minds and even benevolent Western people that wanted to decrease the "information gap" across the world and help give the poor in Africa, Latin America, and Asia access to the internet (and its available information)? It was brought up by them because the new technology of smartphones were considered a means to bridge that gap. And in fact it has. You look at the Brazilian favelas (slums) and plenty of its residents have smartphones.

So, I remembered all of that when I read how bright minds (from the tech and financial sectors) have been constructing plans to use the blockchain (new technology) to bring access to financing to even the poor in the Developing Countries. This is why I go back to the concept of Special Drawing Rights (as analogy for Bitcoin or any crypto-currency [but smartcontracts as well--which is what 2G or Second Generation crypto like Ethereum brought). You are stuck on the fact that Bitcoin is usually needed to be converted to a national currency. For me I care little about that because Special Drawing Rights allows an institution to pick any national currency they want to be paid in.

The Developing World is a massively under-tapped market. Kind of like Brazilian favelas in relation to government taxation. Brazilian favelas originally formed as squatter camps had no addresses and of course no public services brought to them by their local government. No property taxes were paid to local government and rents essentially became un-taxed, underground economies. Just one Brazilian favela in Rio, just one, might have a population of 100,000 people. And there are many favelas throughout that city. And then there are favelas spread throughout all cities throughout the entire country of Brazil. Imagine the untapped revenue in Brazil from the lack of tax dollars brought in? So, this is kind of analogues to the lack of financial infrastructure (banks, access to loans) through the impoverished sectors of all of the Developing Countries.

I view the emerging blockchain and crypto world technology like early technological stages of 1G or First Generation cellphones. In the First Generation they were thick phones and had no internet connection, had no apps to load your credit/debit card to pay groceries and other products with at checkouts at stores, you could not upload videos or text photos to people. Now, in your flagship smartphones you can even take some of the 5 feet under water and shoot video and photos, some of the glass used now is unlikely to to scratch or crack (let alone shatter) if you drop the phone or hit it with a hammer.

I do not view blockchain and crypto as a "fad." I have zero emotions involved in it. No more than I have emotions involved debit cards and online shopping. And I'm old enough to remember when debit cards really did not exist. Credit cards existed when I was a small child id debit cards did exist then very few Americans had them. Now they are normal.

Your problem is you have an emotional investment in wanting to see Bitcoin and crypto in general "fail."
 
The artificial bubble is the idiots that have been suckered into believing that cryptocurrency is legit.

Have you ever taken an economics course? The currency is "legit" if it is widely accepted for use.

While there are many people that know about crypto (far more than me) and are involved in crypto, far more people involved in crypto seem to be drawn to the media hype about Bitcoin (this includes you Bitcoin haters). They have come in late and been investing in Bitcoin, taking out second mortgages some of them to buy Bitcoin, in the hopes of getting rich quick.

I don't have Bitcoin other than a fraction of its units left over from the tiny fraction I have bought to exchange for Altcoins. Only a few Altcoins for me. I don't have any Ethereum (price of entry point to high for me now anyways) or even Ripple. None that I have have even made mainstream news. I don't look to the news, nor to emotional investment in a "love" or "hate." I look for brilliant minds and a philosophy that appeals to me. Plus, I have only a tiny amount of money invested in any of this. If I lose the money I would not be happy about it but it won't be earth shattering. I have lost more money in one night smoking crack. Unlike crack I view this small money I put ion as money rolled on worth while risk.

By the way... I view doing nothing as a gamble and risk too.


Being that cryptocurrency is a form of currency the US federal government has right to regulate it or ban it altogether.

Black swans come in life in all sorts of games. So, there is no guarantee of anything. Even in choice of what to buy. I'm cognizant that having not bought any Ripple could prove to be a huge mistake on my part. Maybe Ripple succeeds--and dramatically so--and all the few types I bought fail.

One thing I am fairly confident is going to happen though, if crypto stays around (which I'm confident it is here to stay), is that only a relative few cryptos will survive. Almost all will die (fail). But that is competition and the weeding out process.

All that math that you are doing is going to be worthless. I am sure that it didnt occur to you that cryptocurrency could be weaponized? Oh wait you are trying to use RT news as a source.

The math I did was a look at what is now history. So, it's not worthless. Bitcoin once sold for roughly $50 and once soared over $19,000 (above $13,000). So those are facts.

I personally believe Bitcoin--irrespective if it crashes to $1,000 per coin--will eventually rise to $60,000 to $100,000 per coin. How long Bitcoin will remain in the crypto world akin to the "US dollar" I don't know. Could be a year longer or it could be for the next 100 years. But unlike you I have licked my wounds and moved emotionally past Bitcoin. That ship sailed and I missed it. I have no hatred towards Bitcoin nor do I resent all those smart--or lucky--enough to have gotten in on it early and held their stake in it even as it repeatedly shot up and then crashed down.

Like I have said... only 21 million coins of Bitcoin can ever exist, so, the designer(s) and creator(s) of Bitcoin intentionally designed Bitcoin so each one could eventually climb to a cost of what we see today: the $13,000 per coin range. It's designed so that once all bitcoins are mined for good, the volatility in the price will settle. That final price per coin may be $19,000 or $1 million.
 
Have you ever taken an economics course? The currency is "legit" if it is widely accepted for use.

While there are many people that know about crypto (far more than me) and are involved in crypto, far more people involved in crypto seem to be drawn to the media hype about Bitcoin (this includes you Bitcoin haters). They have come in late and been investing in Bitcoin, taking out second mortgages some of them to buy Bitcoin, in the hopes of getting rich quick.

I don't have Bitcoin other than a fraction of its units left over from the tiny fraction I have bought to exchange for Altcoins. Only a few Altcoins for me. I don't have any Ethereum (price of entry point to high for me now anyways) or even Ripple. None that I have have even made mainstream news. I don't look to the news, nor to emotional investment in a "love" or "hate." I look for brilliant minds and a philosophy that appeals to me. Plus, I have only a tiny amount of money invested in any of this. If I lose the money I would not be happy about it but it won't be earth shattering. I have lost more money in one night smoking crack. Unlike crack I view this small money I put ion as money rolled on worth while risk.

By the way... I view doing nothing as a gamble and risk too.




Black swans come in life in all sorts of games. So, there is no guarantee of anything. Even in choice of what to buy. I'm cognizant that having not bought any Ripple could prove to be a huge mistake on my part. Maybe Ripple succeeds--and dramatically so--and all the few types I bought fail.

One thing I am fairly confident is going to happen though, if crypto stays around (which I'm confident it is here to stay), is that only a relative few cryptos will survive. Almost all will die (fail). But that is competition and the weeding out process.



The math I did was a look at what is now history. So, it's not worthless. Bitcoin once sold for roughly $50 and once soared over $19,000 (above $13,000). So those are facts.

I personally believe Bitcoin--irrespective if it crashes to $1,000 per coin--will eventually rise to $60,000 to $100,000 per coin. How long Bitcoin will remain in the crypto world akin to the "US dollar" I don't know. Could be a year longer or it could be for the next 100 years. But unlike you I have licked my wounds and moved emotionally past Bitcoin. That ship sailed and I missed it. I have no hatred towards Bitcoin nor do I resent all those smart--or lucky--enough to have gotten in on it early and held their stake in it even as it repeatedly shot up and then crashed down.

Like I have said... only 21 million coins of Bitcoin can ever exist, so, the designer(s) and creator(s) of Bitcoin intentionally designed Bitcoin so each one could eventually climb to a cost of what we see today: the $13,000 per coin range. It's designed so that once all bitcoins are mined for good, the volatility in the price will settle. That final price per coin may be $19,000 or $1 million.

I quite aware how economics work. ANd the only person being emotional is you getting all emotional over my opinions of cryptocurrencies.
 
You have never heard of non-crypto Special Drawing Rights, eh?

The Developing World has a lack of infrastructural development on par with the Developed World. So, in case of say Latin America, the State of California in the USA has more telephone lines (from the former infrastructure of land-line phones--like I grew up with) running through its state than all of Latin America combined.

But with the dawn of smartphones Latin Americans even in the slums had a means of jumping over that lack of communication infrastructural development, not only with phone communication, but with computer access to the internet. I was reading about this many years ago, long before Bitcoin ever existed. Why was it brought up by American tech minds and even benevolent Western people that wanted to decrease the "information gap" across the world and help give the poor in Africa, Latin America, and Asia access to the internet (and its available information)? It was brought up by them because the new technology of smartphones were considered a means to bridge that gap. And in fact it has. You look at the Brazilian favelas (slums) and plenty of its residents have smartphones.

So, I remembered all of that when I read how bright minds (from the tech and financial sectors) have been constructing plans to use the blockchain (new technology) to bring access to financing to even the poor in the Developing Countries. This is why I go back to the concept of Special Drawing Rights (as analogy for Bitcoin or any crypto-currency [but smartcontracts as well--which is what 2G or Second Generation crypto like Ethereum brought). You are stuck on the fact that Bitcoin is usually needed to be converted to a national currency. For me I care little about that because Special Drawing Rights allows an institution to pick any national currency they want to be paid in.

The Developing World is a massively under-tapped market. Kind of like Brazilian favelas in relation to government taxation. Brazilian favelas originally formed as squatter camps had no addresses and of course no public services brought to them by their local government. No property taxes were paid to local government and rents essentially became un-taxed, underground economies. Just one Brazilian favela in Rio, just one, might have a population of 100,000 people. And there are many favelas throughout that city. And then there are favelas spread throughout all cities throughout the entire country of Brazil. Imagine the untapped revenue in Brazil from the lack of tax dollars brought in? So, this is kind of analogues to the lack of financial infrastructure (banks, access to loans) through the impoverished sectors of all of the Developing Countries.

I view the emerging blockchain and crypto world technology like early technological stages of 1G or First Generation cellphones. In the First Generation they were thick phones and had no internet connection, had no apps to load your credit/debit card to pay groceries and other products with at checkouts at stores, you could not upload videos or text photos to people. Now, in your flagship smartphones you can even take some of the 5 feet under water and shoot video and photos, some of the glass used now is unlikely to to scratch or crack (let alone shatter) if you drop the phone or hit it with a hammer.

I do not view blockchain and crypto as a "fad." I have zero emotions involved in it. No more than I have emotions involved debit cards and online shopping. And I'm old enough to remember when debit cards really did not exist. Credit cards existed when I was a small child id debit cards did exist then very few Americans had them. Now they are normal.

Your problem is you have an emotional investment in wanting to see Bitcoin and crypto in general "fail."

So called "blockchain and crypto world technology" isnt magic, wont fix everything and cant even prevent hacking that can crash a cryptocurrency. Your so called investments can be gone in an instant, that isnt safe trading at all. Cryptocurrencies existence depends the strength of its code, but that code can be hacked so its really worthless. And well all of its value is based on how it can be traded for real money.
 
I’m not familiar with Ripple. If it doesn’t provide anonymity then what advantage does it provide over using credit cards or debit cards?

It is the cryptocurrency with the fastest transaction time and with lowest transaction cost. I presume you can use it anonymously but since there is a acceptance from the financial system to Ripple, more (if not all) business is likely to accept it as payment than any other cryptocurrency. And different than Bitcoin, it is easier to sell because its the tendency to be more trusted and accepted by the financial system.

Bitcoin value is very unlikely to be real value but a giant bubble (and it is still being mined while Ripple there is no mining), and adding the fact that it is not easy to sell or to spend on most stores or business, those who accumulate many bitcoins has a big chance to loose a lot of money if/when the bubble blast.
 
Had one listened to Max Keiser on RT they would be a millionaire or multimillionaire today. Listening to mainstream US media leaves one an indebted serf. What is also amazing about you people emotionally invested in hating Bitcoin is that in your little brains you some how think if you make $2 million off of Bitcoin you can only keep your money and investment only in Bitcoin. As if you can't buy real estate or gold (or different Altcoins) or simply put cash away. Ridiculous.

I agree with many things that you have said in this thread, but I want to tell you that people who most become rich by buying and storing bitcoin are the ones that keep prompting bitcoins in the media, companies and social medias. Not because they want help people but because they want convince the most people to buy bitcoin in order to increase its value and becoming rich. In other worlds, bitcoins for them is before anything else a passive income. The bigger the bubble the richer they are and they don't care about anything else. And the more they convince people to buy it the easier for them to sell it with a inflated value.
 
If I was using Bitcoin to store wealth my sphincter would be permanently clenched.
 
If I was using Bitcoin to store wealth my sphincter would be permanently clenched.

My economics is agricultural, so I'm at a loss but I can't see currency as a long term investment let alone storage. Real estate, right? Currency will never be better than land.
 
My economics is agricultural, so I'm at a loss but I can't see currency as a long term investment let alone storage. Real estate, right? Currency will never be better than land.

Yep. Nobody is making more land...yet.
 
I quite aware how economics work. ANd the only person being emotional is you getting all emotional over my opinions of cryptocurrencies.

No, you are emotionally invested in seeing Bitcoin fail. I'm not emotionally invested in Bitcoin.

But here is the thing, if someone told me they don't like the City of Detroit, fine. But when the person goes on to tell me Detroit is not located in Michigan but in Alabama, and Alabama is located on the West Coast of the United States, and the United States is a country located on the continent of Africa, and that's why they don't Detroit, then I have a problem. Due to them talking nonsense because they have zero idea what they are talking about.

And that's you with both Bitcoin and the blockchain.
 
So called "blockchain and crypto world technology" isnt magic, wont fix everything and cant even prevent hacking that can crash a cryptocurrency.

No one mentioned "fixing everything." I spoke about smarter people than I having drawn up plans to expand financial services into the Developing Countries using the new blockchain technology.


Your so called investments can be gone in an instant...

So can my life. So can my finances. It's possible for an AT&T employee to walk into work one day and get notified they're getting laid off or permanently let go.


...that isnt safe trading at all.

My aunt about to retire just withdrew her GE stocks. She he took a lose in her stocks due too GE leadership's mismanagement. And apparently, GE has underfunded their employees pensions by... I think she said... $3 billion or was it $31 billion? Some crazy number. The former CFO was gambling portions of the employees pension money stocks or bonds (or something like that).

So, exactly what in the hell is safe in life? Few if anything 100%.


Cryptocurrencies existence depends the strength of its code, but that code can be hacked so its really worthless. And well all of its value is based on how it can be traded for real money.

I see you have not read really anything on this nor listened to any videos on the subject. You're talking the equivalency of "I don't like Detroit because it is located in Alabama and Alabama is on the West Coast of the USA and the USA is a country on the continent of Africa."

The worth of gold is calculated in fiat currency too.

Do you even know what the US dollar is backed by? You don't do you? You are also clueless that this whole "real money" you keep jabbering about is metaphysical.
 
...those who accumulate many bitcoins has a big chance to loose a lot of money if/when the bubble blast.

It's happened numerous times already. Yet, Bitcoin remains around and climbs ever higher. My point is talking about Bitcoin crashing from a bubble becomes redundant as that has happened a number of times already. If you have 2 Bitcoins and they fall to $0.02 then you have lost money (at that moment). If it climbs back up to the price of $500,000 per Bitcoin then you have a million dollars off of 2 Bitcoins that had previously fallen to $0.02.

Bitcoin is probably in my way. In my Altcoin's way. But the idea Bitcoin is going away for good I find doubtful--it shows resiliency. Maybe it will go away... but I personally doubt that will be anytime soon--even if if dramatically falls in price.
 
I agree with many things that you have said in this thread, but I want to tell you that people who most become rich by buying and storing bitcoin are the ones that keep prompting bitcoins in the media, companies and social medias.

Maybe. But I'm not positioned in the Bitcoin game.


Not because they want help people but because they want convince the most people to buy bitcoin in order to increase its value and becoming rich.

Look... Bitcoin was the First cryptocurrency (like the First Black President: Obama) and so it carries name recognition. It's name carries itself even if it is an inferior product to some other newer products. Name recognition matters. Go to Italy and 99% of the people there never heard of Milwaukee, but all of the heard of Chicago. Where are you going to make a movie? In Chicago and not in Milwaukee (9 times out of 10).

Bitcoin also only has 21 million coins. There are over 7 billion people on planet earth and 300 million of them alone live in the USA. Even if all 21 million Bitcoins were sold only to Americans there would be 279 million Americans without Bitcoins if you subtract 21 from 300. Of course, when you break each Bitcoin down to its smaller units there are enough of all Bitcoins to go to all 300 million Americans. The smallest unit of Bitcoin is the Satoshi and there are 100 million Satoshi in each [single] Bitcoin. But in terms of whole Bitcoins there are only 21 million and according to economics, Keynesian economics, the more scarce a thing becomes, so long as their is a demand for it the price of that thing will rise. Hell, the De Beers of South Africa supposedly have made diamonds (per having once had a monopoly and having intentionally withheld diamonds from the market) artificially rare, making the price of diamonds balloon through the roof. Hell, even diamonds with flaws and low clarity, even as "specks" in size are expensive as hell.

So, the name of Bitcoin, helped of course by mainstream media constantly reporting on it, will carry Bitcoin to people all over the world.

Bitcoin's program was written by its founder(s) in such away that it mimics mining gold, in that as time goes on fewer Bitcoin per year can be successfully mined (as in mining gold more and more earth [slower time] has to be removed to extract the 2% or so gold left in planet earth), and as the years go on fewer will be mined. Eventually all Bitcoins will be mined.

So, this decreasing speed to mine Bitcoin inhibits the speed at which people in the millions across earth can buy whole Bitcoins. And the price skyrockets with that demand.


In other worlds, bitcoins for them is before anything else a passive income.

Yeah, I get that. I don't begrudge them.

There are other cryptocurrencies (not Bitcoin) that have drawn up plans aimed at the Developing Countries and tapping into the lack of financial services accessible to their working poor.


The bigger the bubble the richer they are and they don't care about anything else. And the more they convince people to buy it the easier for them to sell it with a inflated value.

People are going to buy it anyways. I'm not in the Bitcoin game. That ship has sailed. But Bitcoin is like the girl with the big tits. All the boys are going to chase after. So, I'm saying people are going to buy Bitcoin regardless. Then there are people like me that have to buy them just to exchange for certain Altcoins because currently you can buy Bitcoin and Ethereum with your debit or credit card butu can't buy some of these Altcoins with your debit or credit card. Kind of like internationally if you want to but oil you have to buy oil in US dollars, so, countries across the earth have to exchange their currencies for US dollars to buy oil. That causes a demand for US dollars world wide. Likewise, the only way to buy some of these Altcoins is through exchanging them for another ctypto, and most exchanges only allow you to use Bitcoin or Ethereum to exchange (buy) them with.

As for people looking out for their own financial interest, I don't really care about that, I'm sure they do want Bitcoin to rise even further in price (I would if I were them).
 
No, you are emotionally invested in seeing Bitcoin fail. I'm not emotionally invested in Bitcoin.

But here is the thing, if someone told me they don't like the City of Detroit, fine. But when the person goes on to tell me Detroit is not located in Michigan but in Alabama, and Alabama is located on the West Coast of the United States, and the United States is a country located on the continent of Africa, and that's why they don't Detroit, then I have a problem. Due to them talking nonsense because they have zero idea what they are talking about.

And that's you with both Bitcoin and the blockchain.

That is absolutely delusional but thanks for trying to be my shrink.
 
Went to a coffee shop recently that had a Bitcoin ATM, you just need to know your BTC wallet address and access code and you can withdraw fiat from it. Japan has endorsed BTC as an official currency.

Bitcoin is not going away. It's going to go through normal market fluctuations and bubbles, but it's here to stay. As are the other leading altcoins.

What I would eventually like to see is a market correction that represents a proper valuation. Right now it's driven almost purely by speculation which brings a lot of instability. I also hope that it remains a neutrally controlled currency rather than something that comes under government control. Like the internet itself, blockchain technology is a globally networked innovation that can transcend sovereign control of currency.

The people who say that BTC will eventually die out are usually people who are upset that they didn't jump on the bandwagon in time.
 
No one mentioned "fixing everything." I spoke about smarter people than I having drawn up plans to expand financial services into the Developing Countries using the new blockchain technology.
Developing countries have no real use of digital currency.




So can my life. So can my finances. It's possible for an AT&T employee to walk into work one day and get notified they're getting laid off or permanently let go.
Sad story.




My aunt about to retire just withdrew her GE stocks. She he took a lose in her stocks due too GE leadership's mismanagement. And apparently, GE has underfunded their employees pensions by... I think she said... $3 billion or was it $31 billion? Some crazy number. The former CFO was gambling portions of the employees pension money stocks or bonds (or something like that).

So, exactly what in the hell is safe in life? Few if anything 100%.
Cryptocurrency would not help your Aunt with her pension.




I see you have not read really anything on this nor listened to any videos on the subject. You're talking the equivalency of "I don't like Detroit because it is located in Alabama and Alabama is on the West Coast of the USA and the USA is a country on the continent of Africa."

The worth of gold is calculated in fiat currency too.

Do you even know what the US dollar is backed by? You don't do you? You are also clueless that this whole "real money" you keep jabbering about is metaphysical.

Dont assume that someone doesnt know much just because they disagree with you.


Our conversation started out with you sharing Russian propaganda then you praising Putin. From there you have dont nothing but try and act lordy and look down at me as if I am an idiot. That is a piss poor argument and hasnt convinced me that Cryptocurrency is anything good. It sounds like you want me to believe in this fake currency. Perhaps I am stupid and I am cheating myself out of money, but thats my money and my choice. The reality is that cryptocurrency is very volatile and risky. ANd well my local drug dealer doesnt take Cryptocurrency and so its worthless to me.

Anyways I find the cons of cryptocurrency to outweigh any pro's that it may have. But go ahead knock yourself out invest all of your money into it please.
 
Went to a coffee shop recently that had a Bitcoin ATM, you just need to know your BTC wallet address and access code and you can withdraw fiat from it. Japan has endorsed BTC as an official currency.

Bitcoin is not going away. It's going to go through normal market fluctuations and bubbles, but it's here to stay. As are the other leading altcoins.

What I would eventually like to see is a market correction that represents a proper valuation. Right now it's driven almost purely by speculation which brings a lot of instability. I also hope that it remains a neutrally controlled currency rather than something that comes under government control. Like the internet itself, blockchain technology is a globally networked innovation that can transcend sovereign control of currency.

The people who say that BTC will eventually die out are usually people who are upset that they didn't jump on the bandwagon in time.

Those bitcoin ATM's charge 16%.
 
Maybe. But I'm not positioned in the Bitcoin game.




Look... Bitcoin was the First cryptocurrency (like the First Black President: Obama) and so it carries name recognition. It's name carries itself even if it is an inferior product to some other newer products. Name recognition matters. Go to Italy and 99% of the people there never heard of Milwaukee, but all of the heard of Chicago. Where are you going to make a movie? In Chicago and not in Milwaukee (9 times out of 10).

Bitcoin also only has 21 million coins. There are over 7 billion people on planet earth and 300 million of them alone live in the USA. Even if all 21 million Bitcoins were sold only to Americans there would be 279 million Americans without Bitcoins if you subtract 21 from 300. Of course, when you break each Bitcoin down to its smaller units there are enough of all Bitcoins to go to all 300 million Americans. The smallest unit of Bitcoin is the Satoshi and there are 100 million Satoshi in each [single] Bitcoin. But in terms of whole Bitcoins there are only 21 million and according to economics, Keynesian economics, the more scarce a thing becomes, so long as their is a demand for it the price of that thing will rise. Hell, the De Beers of South Africa supposedly have made diamonds (per having once had a monopoly and having intentionally withheld diamonds from the market) artificially rare, making the price of diamonds balloon through the roof. Hell, even diamonds with flaws and low clarity, even as "specks" in size are expensive as hell.

So, the name of Bitcoin, helped of course by mainstream media constantly reporting on it, will carry Bitcoin to people all over the world.

Bitcoin's program was written by its founder(s) in such away that it mimics mining gold, in that as time goes on fewer Bitcoin per year can be successfully mined (as in mining gold more and more earth [slower time] has to be removed to extract the 2% or so gold left in planet earth), and as the years go on fewer will be mined. Eventually all Bitcoins will be mined.

So, this decreasing speed to mine Bitcoin inhibits the speed at which people in the millions across earth can buy whole Bitcoins. And the price skyrockets with that demand.




Yeah, I get that. I don't begrudge them.

There are other cryptocurrencies (not Bitcoin) that have drawn up plans aimed at the Developing Countries and tapping into the lack of financial services accessible to their working poor.




People are going to buy it anyways. I'm not in the Bitcoin game. That ship has sailed. But Bitcoin is like the girl with the big tits. All the boys are going to chase after. So, I'm saying people are going to buy Bitcoin regardless. Then there are people like me that have to buy them just to exchange for certain Altcoins because currently you can buy Bitcoin and Ethereum with your debit or credit card butu can't buy some of these Altcoins with your debit or credit card. Kind of like internationally if you want to but oil you have to buy oil in US dollars, so, countries across the earth have to exchange their currencies for US dollars to buy oil. That causes a demand for US dollars world wide. Likewise, the only way to buy some of these Altcoins is through exchanging them for another ctypto, and most exchanges only allow you to use Bitcoin or Ethereum to exchange (buy) them with.

As for people looking out for their own financial interest, I don't really care about that, I'm sure they do want Bitcoin to rise even further in price (I would if I were them).

You are right about the value to be attached on the "brand". But unless the brand create a real value other than its name it is just a bubble. Like Hasselblad that has nothing to actually offer but brand and it barely survives selling over pricey cameras to fools, and constantly looking for more fool markets to sell their no real value products. On the long run anyone invest in it are just loosing money. Those making money are the ones fooling each other now for the greed sake and not for trying to improve a system, market or people lives.

You keep repeating you are not in the game. Yet you are spread the greed game for the fool market. If you were not in the game you would not be talking about bitcoin.
 
It's happened numerous times already. Yet, Bitcoin remains around and climbs ever higher. My point is talking about Bitcoin crashing from a bubble becomes redundant as that has happened a number of times already. If you have 2 Bitcoins and they fall to $0.02 then you have lost money (at that moment). If it climbs back up to the price of $500,000 per Bitcoin then you have a million dollars off of 2 Bitcoins that had previously fallen to $0.02.

Bitcoin is probably in my way. In my Altcoin's way. But the idea Bitcoin is going away for good I find doubtful--it shows resiliency. Maybe it will go away... but I personally doubt that will be anytime soon--even if if dramatically falls in price.

As is the crash of the house marketing before and during 2008, along with the even higher bobble of the house market today all over the world, mode no one lose money and become bankrupt.
 
A currency's value comes from its transactional utility - ie. I have to be able to use it to buy food, pay rent, etc - or at least be able to convert it into something that will buy food, pay rent, etc (in which case it's an asset like gold, rather than a true currency)

The Bitcoin idea can be easily copied - indeed there are already a variety of other cryptocurrencies out there. Bitcoin proponents argue that their particular currency benefits from already being the biggest and most widely held. But if the Bitcoin bubble collapses, then the slate gets erased and Bitcoin has to start over and climb up again while competing against newer cryptocurrencies which may have newer innovations and improvements in them.

One thing's for sure - gold and precious commodities have some newer competition - but through cryptocurrencies in general, rather than just Bitcoin alone.
 
Those making money are the ones fooling each other now for the greed sake and not for trying to improve a system, market or people lives.

Yeah, yeah, greed. A drug cartel in Mexico is greedy when they can't be satisfied with the $100 million a year profits they make, they want the whole pie, and so they wage war to expand and topple other cartel rivals, kind of like the USA pushing up on the boarder of Russia because US corporations (and their bought servants called US politicians) perceive Central Europe as the region of the world that has the natural resources that will make it rich and powerful in the 21st century.

Why the USA has a problem with Russia (one of the most influential books written effecting US policy towards Eurasia today):



If US corporations rape Central Asia of its natural resources that "wealth" is not going to "trickle down to me" no matter how many Democratic Party politicians will eventually claim that. Cryptocurrency on the other hand... now this not only is a less violent and less imperialistic way for me to eventually (hopefully) increase my wealth but it is also a more likely way than me hoping and dreaming conflict with Russia will "trickle down money" to me.

And make what system better? The blockchain? Ethereum already did that as it is 2G (Second Generation) crypto technology. There are other currently working on 3G (3rd Generation).

Listen... I was raised middle-class therefore I was raised to be too stupid to get rich. So, how do I try to jump that hurdle now? I listen to winners, rich people, and not losers and the frightened middle-class. The only thing the middle-class knows how to do is wake up and obey orders or drink the juice of their Lords in the two political parties. What I have learned from rich investors is you make money doing the contrarian thing. Many are waiting for 3G to happen, I want to get in on the action before it is happening and while 3G is being developed. Call it "greed" I don't give a damn. As the dice and card gamblers in the hood say, "Scared money don't make money." I think Jesus says something in the Bible about being so damn frightened you bury your money rather ever investing it too. Currently, I have less than $100 (US dollars) spread throughout a few Altcoins. As I have said, I've up more money than that in crack cocaine in an hour. I've blown--in the past--over $1,000 in one day on smoking crack. I ain't afraid of NOTHIN with the midget money I have in crypto. I sleep like a baby. You afraid to put $30 in crypto, your knees shake, you have thoughts of suicide, can't sleep? Then don't put the money in. Simple. But me? I'll walk like a pimp even if I lose the money.
 
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