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artursk

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Wanted to share an interesting map showing all nuclear explosions in the time period from 1945 to 2007.
In summary, it's all about the U.S. and the Soviet Union. Others are just playing a bit of catch up, albeit at a much-much smaller scale.

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Shouldn't the U.S. lead the debate about the Nuclear disarmament as the main culprit?
 
Governments are not equal.
 
Wanted to share an interesting map showing all nuclear explosions in the time period from 1945 to 2007.
In summary, it's all about the U.S. and the Soviet Union. Others are just playing a bit of catch up, albeit at a much-much smaller scale.

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Shouldn't the U.S. lead the debate about the Nuclear disarmament as the main culprit?

That argument would make a bit more sense if this was about wanting to bake more cookies for everyone at the party instead of nuclear weapons.
 
Governments are not equal.

Well, the data shows that Republican and Democrat governments have done roughly the same - Democrats have carried out 47% of all tests, Republicans 53%.
 
That argument would make a bit more sense if this was about wanting to bake more cookies for everyone at the party instead of nuclear weapons.

I didn't make an argument. I provided some facts and then asked a question. Expressed no opinions. :)
 
Of course the USA should lead the debate, bbbbbut what about the Corporate profit? The Bottom Line? Greed? Power? Politically inspired ignorance? Business? The business of America is business? If nobody is afraid of us, what would back the USDollar? Nukes and megalomaniacs, heavens to Murgatroyd, never happen? Does a cat have an ass?
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I didn't make an argument. I provided some facts and then asked a question. Expressed no opinions. :)

You know this is a debate website, right? This isn't some idiot Facebook page where your moron CT friends can 'like' your stupid BS.
 
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Of course the USA should lead the debate, bbbbbut what about the Corporate profit? The Bottom Line? Greed? Power? Politically inspired ignorance? Business? The business of America is business? If nobody is afraid of us, what would back the USDollar? Nukes and megalomaniacs, heavens to Murgatroyd, never happen? Does a cat have an ass?
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Tinfoil forum this is not.
 
Shouldn't the U.S. lead the debate about the Nuclear disarmament as the main culprit?

Is someone else leading it, nowadays? I hadn't heard.

Are there any major anti-proliferation treaties we didn't quarterback? Honest question.

Much of the atmospheric testing was saber-rattling from the Cold War. Doesn't make it right, but accounts for the volume.

I can't see Bikini Atoll without mentioning that's supposed to be where SpongeBob Squarepants lives.
 
Well, the data shows that Republican and Democrat governments have done roughly the same - Democrats have carried out 47% of all tests, Republicans 53%.

You miss the historical context of why they where so prevalent.
 
Is someone else leading it, nowadays? I hadn't heard.

Are there any major anti-proliferation treaties we didn't quarterback? Honest question.

Much of the atmospheric testing was saber-rattling from the Cold War. Doesn't make it right, but accounts for the volume.

I can't see Bikini Atoll without mentioning that's supposed to be where SpongeBob Squarepants lives.

Well Sponge Bob and SP are radioactive.
 
Wanted to share an interesting map showing all nuclear explosions in the time period from 1945 to 2007.
In summary, it's all about the U.S. and the Soviet Union. Others are just playing a bit of catch up, albeit at a much-much smaller scale.

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Shouldn't the U.S. lead the debate about the Nuclear disarmament as the main culprit?

artursk:

The nuclear armed powers tried their best to lead this debate by attempting to shut it down at every turn, but they were unable to do so. Now they will focus on hamstringing any attempts to enforce or expand the treaty attempting to constrain their freedom of military action.

If you and a companion find yourself unarmed and in a dark alley confronting someone in the pursuit of happiness with a gun aimed at you both, then you can debate the merits or demerits of gun control all you want, after you've handed over all your valuables. There is no meaningful global debate on nuclear weapons, as there is no pragmatic way to compell nuclear armed states to surrender or destroy such weapons. If you use military force, you're dead. If you use non-military methods (political, economic, social media campaigning) to effectively pressure such states to disarm, then they will destroy you as a person, organisation or as a state up to and including killing you.

States are simply the largest street gangs we humans have managed to create thus far. They behave like street gangs and if you or your organisation gets in their way, then they will mess you up like street gangs. So if 120+ non-nuclear states want to create a nuclear weapons banning treaty then that is fine; but the moment they try to enforce the terms of that treaty then the military operations to "remove" them will begin.

The pen may be mightier than the sword but it pales in comparison to aircraft carries, attack aircraft, ship or sub-launched cruise missiles, helicopter gunships and thermonuclear weapons.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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artursk:

The nuclear armed powers tried their best to lead this debate by attempting to shut it down at every turn, but they were unable to do so. Now they will focus on hamstringing any attempts to enforce or expand the treaty attempting to constrain their freedom of military action.

If you and a companion find yourself unarmed and in a dark alley confronting someone in the pursuit of happiness with a gun aimed at you both, then you can debate the merits or demerits of gun control all you want, after you've handed over all your valuables. There is no meaningful global debate on nuclear weapons, as there is no pragmatic way to compell nuclear armed states to surrender or destroy such weapons. If you use military force, you're dead. If you use non-military methods (political, economic, social media campaigning) to effectively pressure such states to disarm, then they will destroy you as a person, organisation or as a state up to and including killing you.

States are simply the largest street gangs we humans have managed to create thus far. They behave like street gangs and if you or your organisation gets in their way, then they will mess you up like street gangs. So if 120+ non-nuclear states want to create a nuclear weapons banning treaty then that is fine; but the moment they try to enforce the terms of that treaty then the military operations to "remove" them will begin.

The pen may be mightier than the sword but it pales in comparison to aircraft carries, attack aircraft, ship or sub-launched cruise missiles, helicopter gunships and thermonuclear weapons.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Well said.
 

Here's a side note that i at least, find most amusing.

Your american embassador to new zealand tried a scare tactic about n korea that only got him laughed at.
This is brown's idiot comment.
North Korea poses 'direct danger' to NZ, US ambassador Scott Brown warns - NZ Herald
In his interview with Fairfax, Brown said many New Zealanders didn't understand the true threat from North Korea.

"They understand, 'Gosh, we're so far away and it really doesn't affect us'. Well, it does if he decides to drop a hydrogen bomb in the Pacific Ocean.

"The fallout could come here. It could affect the fishing and all the sea life. It'd dramatically affect climate and economy and the ability to travel freely in that region without being contaminated. So, yeah, it does affect New Zealand."

Yet looking at the above map we see that america had no such concern for nz welfare when they were testing bombs in the pacific.

I believe we have more to fear from american bull**** than we do from n korea testing a bomb.
 
Here's a side note that i at least, find most amusing.

Your american embassador to new zealand tried a scare tactic about n korea that only got him laughed at.
This is brown's idiot comment.
North Korea poses 'direct danger' to NZ, US ambassador Scott Brown warns - NZ Herald


Yet looking at the above map we see that america had no such concern for nz welfare when they were testing bombs in the pacific.

I believe we have more to fear from american bull**** than we do from n korea testing a bomb.

I agree. Seems to me that North Korea testing a bomb or two is pretty much irrelevant compared to what the U.S. and Soviets have done for decades.
 
I agree. Seems to me that North Korea testing a bomb or two is pretty much irrelevant compared to what the U.S. and Soviets have done for decades.

As another side note. The part that made me laugh was his use of the word "Gosh". No one in nz says gosh. Do even americans still say gosh? Or golly gee or even better, kazaam!
 
I agree. Seems to me that North Korea testing a bomb or two is pretty much irrelevant compared to what the U.S. and Soviets have done for decades.

The US has never been run by a cult and the USSR was one of the most cautionous powers around.
 
The US has never been run by a cult and the USSR was one of the most cautionous powers around.

To be fair, North Korea has been fairly predictable for decades. The U.S. on the other hand has kept killing millions around the globe. No cult, sure, just aggressive presidents. I would not exactly say the current egomaniac of a president is any less of a threat to the world than Kim Jong-un.

I expect for the U.S. as a global superpower to lead by example. Not example of attacking other countries but example of bringing peace.
 
To be fair, North Korea has been fairly predictable for decades. The U.S. on the other hand has kept killing millions around the globe. No cult, sure, just aggressive presidents. I would not exactly say the current egomaniac of a president is any less of a threat to the world than Kim Jong-un.

I expect for the U.S. as a global superpower to lead by example. Not example of attacking other countries but example of bringing peace.

Oh, you mean the US has been busily taking down vicious and brutal dictatorships and terrorist regimes. Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing a global superpower should be doing.

North Korea, meanwhile, has been predictably treating its populace absolutely horrifically.

Oh, Trump is far less of a threat. Despite the hype, there are checks and balances on the president. What checks, other than the superpowers, are there on North Korea?

Global peace is a pipe dream.
 
Oh, you mean the US has been busily taking down vicious and brutal dictatorships and terrorist regimes. Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing a global superpower should be doing.

North Korea, meanwhile, has been predictably treating its populace absolutely horrifically.

Oh, Trump is far less of a threat. Despite the hype, there are checks and balances on the president. What checks, other than the superpowers, are there on North Korea?

Global peace is a pipe dream.

You're funny. :D
 
What fantasy are you going to spew this time? I can hardly wait.

Our world views are so far apart that there is no point of arguing. I think you are totally wrong and you think I'm totally wrong. Let's just leave it at that. When I said I think you're funny I meant that you managed to write so many things I disagree with in a single paragraph that I had no idea what else to do but laugh.

Seriously, mate. No need for both of us to spend that much time on this thread. There are other more sensible discussions to have.
 
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