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Adieu, France

France isn't going anywhere.

Elections have consequences. It wasn't a charade. Le Pen was crushed because she was a crap candidate. The Christian triune god is completely and totally irrelevant to that simple fact.

Deal with it.

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OK buddy....:thumbs: I will...:lamo

(Oh boy did I get your goat...:lol:)

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Yeah, they should have bucked the system like we did with Trump. Then they could have all those former Goldman-Sachs employees in high-ranking political seats as well! That will show the global banking structure!

Do you not understand the irony of you lambasting A Goldman-Sachs appointee when Macron is a Rothschild flunkie? The Rothschild Bank is even more "old traditionalist money" than Goldman-Sachs. You come off better when lambasting both sides because your efforts at partisanship are hilariously unfounded.
 
What the contrasting results of the French and American elections show is that the French are too smart for their own good and the Americans are still in possession of good ol' Yankee common sense.

I just hope (and pray) that the jocular derision of those so sanguine about the French election result survives the headlines in France over the next few years.

You imply that Trump is the result of common sense. Ironic, as that is one of many things Trump does not possess. A con man's eye for a mark and the ability to play them, that he's got.
 
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So your future is fascism?

You're just tossing around a media-borne shibboleth here.

You imply that Trump is the result of common sense. Ironic, as that is one of many things Trump does not possess. A con man's eye for a mark and the ability to play them, that he's got.

Whatever Trump is or isn't, the common sense of the matter belonged to the American voter who voted against the politics as usual represented by Trump's opponent and for a much needed change in the direction the nation needs to take.

The French voter voted for more of the same. I hope they don't get it.
 
Germany, Denmark, Italy, France...its all the same oat bag.







All the same level of ****ed.
 
Whatever Trump is or isn't, the common sense of the matter belonged to the American voter who voted against the politics as usual represented by Trump's opponent and for a much needed change in the direction the nation needs to take.

The French voter voted for more of the same. I hope they don't get it.

It would make sense to know and consider what someone is and isn't before voting for them. To me that would be common sense.

LePenn is too extreme. Maybe in 5 years when she tries again that won't be true anymore. We shall see.
 
It would make sense to know and consider what someone is and isn't before voting for them. To me that would be common sense.

LePenn is too extreme. Maybe in 5 years when she tries again that won't be true anymore. We shall see.

It will be a sad day for democracy when she is not an extremist.
 
It's FRANCE. Did anyone actually think there was a remote chance a right-wing candidate would win?

Of course they are going to go for the liberal, that's what the French do. It's what they've always done.

The world is a better place when France is France, and not trying to go down another populist rabbit hole. However, my concern for them is they picked a 39 year old kid.... in a world of Trump and Putin I had hoped they could find someone stronger. This kid will get trampled.

In a time when I would like to see France more in the forefront, I think France will take a back seat.
 
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It will be a sad day for democracy when she is not an extremist.

I don't think it's helpful to label people with differing political views as "extremists."

ISIS are extremists. Al Qaeda are extremists. Boko Haram are extremists. Le Pen is just a right-wing candidate in a traditionally liberal nation.

Is it really appropriate to use the same catch-all noun to describe both ISIS and the alt-right?
 
I don't think it's helpful to label people with differing political views as "extremists."

ISIS are extremists. Al Qaeda are extremists. Boko Haram are extremists. Le Pen is just a right-wing candidate in a traditionally liberal nation.

Is it really appropriate to use the same catch-all noun to describe both ISIS and the alt-right?

The National Front (FN) are an extremist fascist organisation well deserving the extreme appellation. As is their leader. Also any opprobrium heaped upon them.
 
Some background to Macron's win.

"...But the most important take-away is that Macron won with a strong pro-European message of hope and reform at a time when the very word Europe has become almost a synonym for despondency. That’s why the choice of the Ode for Joy at such a solemn moment was an immense symbol.

To grasp it fully, imagine for a moment what would have happened if Marine Le Pen had won.

Across Europe, populist xenophobes would have popped champagne bottles. Proponents of an insurrectionary “patriotic spring”, those who had held a summit with Le Pen in Koblenz just hours after Trump took office in January, would have glowed in the belief that their plan was unfolding brilliantly. Le Pen’s victory speech would have been all about the advent of a “European alliance of free and sovereign nations” set to replace the EU. And soon enough, she would have spoken of a French withdrawal from Nato’s integrated structures (which she’d called “a threat to national independence”), as well as a roll-back on sanctions against Russia.
In Moscow, Vladimir Putin would have hailed the beginning of a new era with the redrawing of Europe’s political map – a “civilisational” Russian victory over western values. Russian state-controlled media would have gone wild with satisfaction over the defeat of Macron, which they’d described days before the vote as “a classic psychopath with bulging eyes”. Despite his armada of hackers, and despite all the eagerness he’s shown towards Le Pen by hosting her in the Kremlin during the French campaign, Putin was left scrambling for attention when he called for “the end of mutual mistrust”. ..."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/08/macron-europe-president-nationalism
 
The National Front (FN) are an extremist fascist organisation well deserving the extreme appellation. As is their leader. Also any opprobrium heaped upon them.

Opprobrium? I had to Google that!

Forgive me for saying so.... but leave it to an Englishman to dig in and be stubborn when mildly challenged. And I say that with love - I have much admiration and fondness for the English. But it's in your national character to be stubborn, which is both an asset and a liability for you depending on the circumstance.

If you want to equate your own European right-wing parties with ISIS by describing them using the same terms, I won't insist you do otherwise.

I'll just point out that you do have to share a country and a continent with those people. Having an open, productive dialogue with them might be the wiser course of action.
 
Do you not understand the irony of you lambasting A Goldman-Sachs appointee when Macron is a Rothschild flunkie? The Rothschild Bank is even more "old traditionalist money" than Goldman-Sachs. You come off better when lambasting both sides because your efforts at partisanship are hilariously unfounded.

Goldman isn't really "old money". They have been at the forefront, pushing and profiting from the 2 latest bubbles, then getting "made whole" by taxpayers while the tea people were told to be angry at people who took loans that Goldman created the demand for, then pumped, sold and bet against.
 
In a time when I would like to see France more in the forefront, I think France will take a back seat.

... that's literally the entire point of European integration. France by itself does not have the economic, cultural or political weight to have any sort of impact on global discussions or decision-making. Nor will it ever. It's not feasible in any possible scenario. Especially not with with the United States at the table, or with China and India's continued development.

France remaining in the EU and continuing its push for economic and political integration in turns supports a Union that together is on par of the United State's in terms of economic and cultural weight.

That's, for example, how many European countries have been able to get multinationals to cough up back taxes that would otherwise be stashed in some tax haven or passed through a loop hole. France's tax agency is absolutely peas and carrots compared to the economic force that is the EU Commission.

Or for example how European countries are able to extract concessions from the United States. Right now the EU is threatening to revoke all US citizens' visa-free access to all of Europe if the US government does not reciprocate visa-free access to citizens of Poland, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania and Cypress. The EU will probably get its way. Easy for the US government to ignore "just Paris." Impossible to ignore if it's Paris, Rome, Berlin, Madrid, Vienna, Brussels ...
 
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France isn't going anywhere.

Elections have consequences. It wasn't a charade. Le Pen was crushed because she was a crap candidate. The Christian triune god is completely and totally irrelevant to that simple fact.

Deal with it.

You're right, France isn't going anywhere. Her sovereignty however is setting sail.
 
I hope the elite of France still remember the bloody revolution.
I never advocate violence. However knowing Europe, the people can and will take matters into their own hands if the elites won't. As a Jew the rise of the Nzazis are a cautionary tale.
 
Know my intentions, do you? :lol:

The thread is as predictable as any other here. A few (or more than a few) twits get on a thread that they can't possibly argue against in a mature, intelligent manner, carry on in a grand old circle jerk, "like"ing what is perceived by them and their ilk as sarcasm, wit, comedy, and farce, carry on so for about three or four pages until they feel a sense of accomplishment in derailing a thread they had no intention of understanding or arguing against in any meaningful way.

A few nuggets, shiny points of observation and insight sometimes pan out, but for the most part it's just muddy waters...

You having been around since 07 should know this....unless, of course, oh, oh, I see.....

If you want mature, intelligent discussion rather than a circle jerk to tell you Europe is doomed then go do some research and come back when you can present an intelligent discussion. Being around since 07 means I've gotten used to threads where there isn't much intelligence or discussion available in the OP argument.

Or why do you think your thread hasn't had any highbrow discussion yet? Do you feel you are a misunderstood genius whose intelligent commentary on the human condition is wasted on the likes of us? :lamo
 
It is rather entertaining watching all the impotent rage still carried on by the victor's supporters...(double entendre? but of course...):lol:

Says the guy who started a melodramatic thread titled "goodbye France" because a fascist lost the vote in a country he's not even a citizen of? You're getting your impotent rage all over the place, you should mop that up.
 
If you want mature, intelligent discussion rather than a circle jerk to tell you Europe is doomed then go do some research and come back when you can present an intelligent discussion.
And how does one "research" doom? Pray tell.
 
Really funny to see posters telling him to basically "suck it up, you lost" . Same posters can't accept their loss.
 
Learn something new everyday. lol

Then France must've invented ketchup because fries without ketchup is like the EU without France.

In Belgium you get a whole range of sauces to put on your fritten.
 
France made the intelligent choice.
 
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