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How well is far-left socialism working in Venezuela for you Lefties??

Why has Venezuela been cozying up with Mr. Trump?
 
Grand Mal said:
Nothing to do with me. I'm liberal.
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Precisely this.

The Big Lie offered up by many of this forum's esteemed conservative is that everyone on "the left" advocates for Venezuela-style socialism, which is laughably false.
 
Desert Storm said:
Venezuela

If things dont quite work out, just start seizing factories.....LOL.

Great plan: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/04/20/general-motors-venezuela-plant-seizure/100684954/
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Oh look another thread placing the blame of Venezuela's economic failure on a political philosophy that did not cause Venezuela to tank. Followed up by an attempt to equate the Socialist Party of Venezuela with famous Democratic politicians and programs in the United States.

How's austerity working out for Greece? About the same as it is for Kansas, huh?
 
Kobie said:
Precisely this.

The Big Lie offered up by many of this forum's esteemed conservative is that everyone on "the left" advocates for Venezuela-style socialism, which is laughably false.
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Socialism is laughable.
 
Setting gas price at a couple cents per gallon. Who could have known that wouldn't work.
 
Kobie said:
Precisely this.

The Big Lie offered up by many of this forum's esteemed conservative is that everyone on "the left" advocates for Venezuela-style socialism, which is laughably false
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No not all of it, just a helluva lot of it!!!!
 
Desert Storm said:
No not all of it, just a helluva lot of it!!!!
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Sure. Whatever you say.

This is basically proof positive that you don't actually read what people post, you just assign them beliefs based on their label.
 
Winston said:
Oh look another thread placing the blame of Venezuela's economic failure on a political philosophy that did not cause Venezuela to tank. Followed up by an attempt to equate the Socialist Party of Venezuela with famous Democratic politicians and programs in the United States.

How's austerity working out for Greece? About the same as it is for Kansas, huh?
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A person living in poverty here is better off than any socialist country. Why is socialism bad? Because it doesn't work. That simple.
 
Kobie said:
Sure. Whatever you say.

This is basically proof positive that you don't actually read what people post, you just assign them beliefs based on their label.
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What are labels for? Left wing politics has depended on them for years.
 
Most leftists on this forum aren't even socialist or any kind of anti-capitalist, so why the stupid question?

Anyway, socialism always ends the same way.
 
Desert Storm said:
Venezuela

If things dont quite work out, just start seizing factories.....LOL.

Great plan: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/04/20/general-motors-venezuela-plant-seizure/100684954/
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Socialism isn't the problem in Venezuela... as evidenced by how Bolivia has a similar economy, similar reliance on oil, a real socialist President, and is doing very well.

Venezuela's problem is the same as what is facing capitalist Zimbabwe: The men leading the government are corrupt and incompetent. Chavez got away with it because the price of oil was high, and he could bribe the poor masses while indulging in corrupt shell companies. He didn't diversify the economy, and antagonized the US. Maduro got stuck with a wrecked economy, and was more interested in consolidating power than in fixing the issues.

Capitalist governments are just as prone to collapse into autocracy as socialists; right-wing governments can be brutal and suppressive as well. The underlying lust for power, the lure of corruption... it's not ideological.
 
Van Basten said:
Most leftists on this forum aren't even socialist or any kind of anti-capitalist, so why the stupid question?

Anyway, socialism always ends the same way.
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To distract from the 13-week disaster of the trump cabal .
 
Bucky said:
A person living in poverty here is better off than any socialist country.
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Are you sure about that? Churches in the United States do offer the poor shelter, food, and clothing. I applaud them for practicing Christ's principles. It's an amazing thing to back up your philosophy with action. However, in the socialist country of Cuba for example, they have universal healthcare. The lowest among Cubans stricken with sickness are treated better than the lowest among the U.S. by virtue of government provided health care.

Why is socialism bad? Because it doesn't work. That simple.
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Except when it does. The Nordic countries have had wild success with the prudential use of socialism in their governments. A country does not transform into a command economy after offering its citizens something as basic as universal healthcare. In fact, I stumbled across this article that would disprove your point.

Eurozone growth nears six-year high, survey data suggests - BBC News

You'd think with all that radical spending on health care and education, they'd be stabbing each other in the streets for a loaf of bread by now.
 
Desert Storm said:
Venezuela

If things dont quite work out, just start seizing factories.....LOL.

Great plan: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/04/20/general-motors-venezuela-plant-seizure/100684954/
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What do you do when you can't argue issues? Well, one thing you can try is to assign an unpopular label to groups you don't like, like calling "the left" socialist. Then you do not have to actually talk about those oh so complicated issues, but instead can just go "you are a socialist poopiehead mouthbreather, so there!".
 
coldjoint said:
What are labels for? Left wing politics has depended on them for years.
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Yeah, we love to call people socialist, commie, unpatriotic, islamic, lazy, criminals, America hating...oh wait, those are things conservatives call liberals...
 
Winston said:
Except when it does. The Nordic countries have had wild success with the prudential use of socialism in their governments. A country does not transform into a command economy after offering its citizens something as basic as universal healthcare. In fact, I stumbled across this article that would disprove your point.

Eurozone growth nears six-year high, survey data suggests - BBC News

You'd think with all that radical spending on health care and education, they'd be stabbing each other in the streets for a loaf of bread by now.
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Yeah, progressive capitalism does wonders for the soul. Makes ya miss the New Deal coalition years.
 
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Redress said:
Yeah, we love to call people socialist, commie, unpatriotic, islamic, lazy, criminals, America hating...oh wait, those are things conservatives call liberals...
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Racist, fascist, bigot, xenophobe, and uneducated ring a bell?
 
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