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How well is far-left socialism working in Venezuela for you Lefties??

coldjoint said:
Racist, fascist, bigot, xenophobe, and uneducated ring a bell?
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Do a search on my posts and see how many times I have called some one any of those. I dare you...
 
Redress said:
Do a search on my posts and see how many times I have called some one any of those. I dare you...
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Did I say you said them? I did not.
 
Desert Storm said:
Venezuela

If things dont quite work out, just start seizing factories.....LOL.

Great plan: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/04/20/general-motors-venezuela-plant-seizure/100684954/
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Well, here are a few observations from a lefty (as being a social democrat)

1. I hate Venezuela and it's fake ass socialism which is just semi to complete dictatorship with short term presents for the poor purely for election purposes

2. as a social democrat I can only think of 1 reason why the government takes over a company, that is when this company is of vital importance for the country and is about to collapse/go bankrupt (which could be a bank/water company/electricity company/etc.) when this company cannot function on it's own anymore and it cannot survive without huge government loans. But, just like it happened in the banking crisis in 2008, this is a temporary measure and the sales of the shares that the government acquired/took over have to be sold to the public and the money that comes from this has to be returned to the government finances.

3. General motors is a US company, Venezuela should keep it's grubby hands of private property of GM.

4. Hugo Chavez was a dictator

5. Maduro is a dictator

6. Venezuela is not a socialist nation, it is a dictatorial country

7. the sooner Venezuela is cleansed of this so-called socialist dictatorial scum, the better

8. I am also talking out of selfish reasons as part of our Kingdom is situated just a short stretch of water from Venezuela

9. Also, it is not a great plan to steal (because that is what it is) factories, it is a very stupid plan

10. There is no one "leftist" view. Some might see themselves as leftist countries (like Venezuela, China, Cuba now and in the past countries like Libya, Russia) but they are not, they are dictatorial countries who misuse a name for political power and gains.
 
Redress said:
"The left" encompasses a whole ****load more than just socialism. Most of us on the left are not socialists, at least here in the US. Thank you for your amusing fail tho~
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To be honest, I've mostly given up on terms of left vs right as a way of explaining anything, these days. They've become near on meaningless.
 
Winston said:
Are you sure about that? Churches in the United States do offer the poor shelter, food, and clothing. I applaud them for practicing Christ's principles. It's an amazing thing to back up your philosophy with action. However, in the socialist country of Cuba for example, they have universal healthcare. The lowest among Cubans stricken with sickness are treated better than the lowest among the U.S. by virtue of government provided health care.

Except when it does. The Nordic countries have had wild success with the prudential use of socialism in their governments. A country does not transform into a command economy after offering its citizens something as basic as universal healthcare. In fact, I stumbled across this article that would disprove your point.

Eurozone growth nears six-year high, survey data suggests - BBC News

You'd think with all that radical spending on health care and education, they'd be stabbing each other in the streets for a loaf of bread by now.
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The main reason why Capitalism will always trump Socialism is that Capitalism gives power to the individual. In a capitalistic society, ANYONE can succeed with hard work and effort.

Socialism inspires FEAR in the people. Capitalism inspires LEADERSHIP in the people.
 
So, for anyone cares to understand what's *actually* happening in Venezuela, here's a read:

Venezuela crisis: What is behind the turmoil? - BBC News

The reality is, this has nothing to do with socialism, it is simply political unrest due to corrupt individuals. If rioting and demonstrating in the streets is your grand indicator of a failed governance model, then you also just invalidated American capitalism.

How's your smug now?
 
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