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If a person of One race gets a transplanted organ from another race what race is the resulting person
 
I'm pretty sure it's a cyborg. They are among us. They could rise up.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm pretty sure it's a cyborg. They are among us. They could rise up.
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Cyborg? Naw. That's someone with an implanted chip to open doors or teeth to chomp steak. This is a Raborg.
 
katzgar said:
If a person of One race gets a transplanted organ from another race what race is the resulting person
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Race, as has already been stated, is a social construct.

"What the study of complete genomes from different parts of the world has shown is that even between Africa and Europe, for example, there is not a single absolute genetic difference, meaning no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one, even when recent migration is disregarded," Pääbo told Live Science. "It is all a question of differences in how frequent different variants are on different continents and in different regions."
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/
 
Aside from the nonsensical OP question.. and other 'social construct' declarations...
There are Races.
If you send your very real/non-social BLOOD into any of the genetic services, they'll tell you what percent of each you are.

Perhaps the world's foremost expert on Evolution/Genetics and author of the standard text 'Speciation.'
Fuller citation/links here:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...ong-real-discussion-iq-51.html#post1062199548

...the subject of human races, or even the idea that they exist, has become Taboo. And this despite the palpable morphological differences between human groups — differences that Must be based on genetic differences and Would, if seen in Other species, lead to their classification as either Races or Subspecies (the terms are pretty Interchangeable in biology)...
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What are races? In my own field of evolutionary biology, races of animals (also called “subspecies” or “ecotypes”) are morphologically distinguishable populations that live in allopatry (i.e. are geographically separated). There is No firm criterion on how much morphological difference it takes to delimit a race. Races of mice, for example, are described solely on the basis of difference in coat color, which could involve only one or two genes.

Under that criterion, are there human Races? Yes. As we all know, there are morphologically different groups of people who live in different areas, though those differences are blurring due to recent innovations in transportation that have led to more admixture between human groups.

How many human races are there? That’s pretty much unanswerable, because human variation is nested in groups, for their ancestry, which is based on evolutionary differences, is nested in groups. So, for example, one could delimit “Caucasians” as a race, but within that group there are genetically different and morphologically different subgroups, including Finns, southern Europeans, Bedouins, and the like. The number of human races delimited by biologists has ranged from 3 to over 30."..
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mbig said:
Aside from the nonsensical OP question.. and other 'social construct' declarations...
There are Races.
If you send your very real/non-social BLOOD into any of the genetic services, they'll tell you what percent of each you are.

Perhaps the world's foremost expert on Evolution/Genetics and author of the standard text 'Speciation.'
Fuller citation/links here:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...ong-real-discussion-iq-51.html#post1062199548
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All humans are one, singular race.

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Humans belong to one species, homo sapiens, however, there are races within the species. Race is not a social construct. How do you explain archaeologists' (using science) ability to know the race group of a skeleton hundreds of years old? There are different biological differences in races. The key words are One Species, homo sapiens, that makes us all from the same "stock", but to deny that there are races in an attempt to stop the idea of racism, is just not realistic. It doesn't matter what race a person is part of, being human is all that is necessary, but don't deny that race does not exist.
 
katzgar said:
If a person of One race gets a transplanted organ from another race what race is the resulting person
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Resulting person? Are you implying that an organ donation somehow contaminates the racial purity of the organ receiver?
 
katzgar said:
you reading stuff that isnt even close to being implied
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No I'm not. Why do you even think there's a question here? "What race is the resulting person?" Damn. Sounds like something some KKK or Nazi apologist would come up with. Eugenics taken to it's nasty natural conclusion.
What about a blood transfusion. Would getting a transfusion from a black woman make you partly black? Or partly a woman?
Dumb question. At best.
 
mbig said:
Aside from the nonsensical OP question.. and other 'social construct' declarations...
There are Races.
If you send your very real/non-social BLOOD into any of the genetic services, they'll tell you what percent of each you are.

Perhaps the world's foremost expert on Evolution/Genetics and author of the standard text 'Speciation.'
Fuller citation/links here:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...ong-real-discussion-iq-51.html#post1062199548
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You are quite wrong. No races, just gene pools. Some gene combinations are more common in some regions and that's as far as it goes.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
Humans belong to one species, homo sapiens, however, there are races within the species. Race is not a social construct. How do you explain archaeologists' (using science) ability to know the race group of a skeleton hundreds of years old? There are different biological differences in races. The key words are One Species, homo sapiens, that makes us all from the same "stock", but to deny that there are races in an attempt to stop the idea of racism, is just not realistic. It doesn't matter what race a person is part of, being human is all that is necessary, but don't deny that race does not exist.
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"Don't deny that race does not exist" is great advice. Far from denying the existence of 'races' I push this certainty at every opportunity. Genotypes are not neatly divided into discrete 'races'. If your archaeologist gets some DNA from a skeleton in, say, Greenland, he may say it is probable that it was from a Norwegian viking. But that does not make Norwegians a 'race'. They overlap with Swedes, Danes, Irish, Saxons, Celts and so on, and on, and on.
 
Kiwimac said:
All humans are one, singular race.
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Sweden said:
You are quite wrong. No races, just gene pools. Some gene combinations are more common in some regions and that's as far as it goes.
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So to my post, which includes the citation of perhaps the world's foremost expert on Genetics/Speciation (defining and showing how there is race), as well as the Fact one can determine what percent of each Race you are with any of number of Genetics testers (ie, 23andMe, NatGeo) we have two EMPTY declarative statements.
Atrocious contrary, but hollow objection, from people who are not within at least one degree (maybe 2) of making even a minor contribution this debate.
 
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... If your archaeologist gets some DNA from a skeleton in, say, Greenland, he may say it is probable that it was from a Norwegian viking. But that does not make Norwegians a 'race'. They overlap with Swedes, Danes, Irish, Saxons, Celts and so on, and on, and on.
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No one ever claimed Norwegians were a Race! (Nor Oslo-ans)
Scandinavians and many N Europeans would of course be close.

However, the archaeologist wouldn't have Any trouble (or overlap) discerning that skeleton from those of a sub-Saharan African native or a NE Asian... who Are macro races. So uh... ?
 
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Sweden said:
"Don't deny that race does not exist" is great advice. Far from denying the existence of 'races' I push this certainty at every opportunity. Genotypes are not neatly divided into discrete 'races'. If your archaeologist gets some DNA from a skeleton in, say, Greenland, he may say it is probable that it was from a Norwegian viking. But that does not make Norwegians a 'race'. They overlap with Swedes, Danes, Irish, Saxons, Celts and so on, and on, and on.
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The case I was thinking of involved a skeleton found in England, dated from the Middle Ages, and before all of the scientific evidence was in, the archaeologists knew the skeleton was a male of African origin, a black man from the skeletal remains alone. The scientific evidence proved the archaeologists correct.
 
katzgar said:
If a person of One race gets a transplanted organ from another race what race is the resulting person
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Human race.


This gets my vote for the dumbest thread I have seen this week.
 
It depends. DO they really really really feeeeel like a new race? Cuz...if they do, they dont even need the organ transfer....they can just pick whatever race they felt they were always truly meant to be.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
The case I was thinking of involved a skeleton found in England, dated from the Middle Ages, and before all of the scientific evidence was in, the archaeologists knew the skeleton was a male of African origin, a black man from the skeletal remains alone. The scientific evidence proved the archaeologists correct.
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They did not 'know' the man's skin tone from the skeleton alone. Even with a complete DNA profile they could not be absolutely certain as coding for colour is complex, involving many genes.

Every person - apart from monozygotic siblings - has a different DNA profile so there are billions of 'races'. Which, I firmly believe, makes the term race quite useless.
 
With lumbago having struck, I'm currently not in any race at all.
 
Grand Mal said:
No I'm not. Why do you even think there's a question here? "What race is the resulting person?" Damn. Sounds like something some KKK or Nazi apologist would come up with. Eugenics taken to it's nasty natural conclusion.
What about a blood transfusion. Would getting a transfusion from a black woman make you partly black? Or partly a woman?
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you are off in the bushes with an over active imagination
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