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Anti-Hungarian Bill Alarms Romanian Rights Activists

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Romania's Senate is to discuss a bill that proposes jail terms of six months to three years for people challenging Romania's "constitutional order", prompting civic activists to claim that the ruling Social Democrat Party, PSD, may attempt to limit free speech.

The bill amending the penal code includes one article that says: "Action against people or assets by one of more individuals together, with the clear purpose to change the constitutional order, or to make it harder or prevent the state from exercising its power, is punishable with six months to three years of imprisonment".

"I have to remind everybody that PSD spokesman [Adrian Dobre] said that [anti-corrution] protesters prevented the government for working properly. So be careful. Protesting might soon become a crime,” she said.

Activists say restricting constitutional rights is a step back to dictatorship, however.

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The top See Also links to a thread with various updates on the Romanian Crisis beginning almost a month ago, which chronicled events in the crisis in question - ending with a link detailing growing Romanian-Russian relations. I decided to start a new thread because this details a rather dramatic turn of events regarding the endemic corruption of Romania. It looks to me that Romania is on its way to becoming a pariah state much like Russia, isolated due to the corruption of its government. If you go to the top See Also link you can get a glance/summary of what has been going on since roughly the beginning of February, and also see how it has escalated. This latest turn of events is quite shocking.
 
They are not even trying to subtly turn the country back into an authoritarian state. At least it makes it rather easy to fight against.
 
Romanian protests forced the government to roll back legislation that would have granted immunity to a class of individuals previously convicted of corruption.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Romanian protests forced the government to roll back legislation that would have granted immunity to a class of individuals previously convicted of corruption.
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Don't forget just flat out legalizing corruption.
 
Carjosse said:
Don't forget just flat out legalizing corruption.
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It is a good thing that the Romanian government backpedalled on the decree earlier in February, but the division between those who oppose the government and those who support it is growing, and this latest development goes to show that Romania is beginning to drift away from the West, if not in policy certainly in ideology, and towards the Russia-Hungary Axis. Romania and Ukraine have also had a history of tensions, so if that becomes an issue, we may see something ugly unfold in Romania over the next year or so.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Romanian protests forced the government to roll back legislation that would have granted immunity to a class of individuals previously convicted of corruption.
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True, but at this point it seems to have only papered over the division in Romania - poorly at that. Now, here we have endemic ultranationalism on top of the corruption. Not a good combination. We see what is unfolding here in the U.S. under Trump, now take that and amplify it tenfold, because Romania has a history of corruption and authoritarianism in its government (seeing how they were originally a member of the WarPac during the Cold War).
 
Abbazorkzog said:
True, but at this point it seems to have only papered over the division in Romania - poorly at that. Now, here we have endemic ultranationalism on top of the corruption. Not a good combination. We see what is unfolding here in the U.S. under Trump, now take that and amplify it tenfold, because Romania has a history of corruption and authoritarianism in its government (seeing how they were originally a member of the WarPac during the Cold War).
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Anything from EU member Countries on this? Could this law end up at the EU Court of Justice. I understand this is somewhat the EU equivalent of the US Sup Crt. If I am in error, no problem being corrected on this.
 
JANFU said:
Anything from EU member Countries on this? Could this law end up at the EU Court of Justice. I understand this is somewhat the EU equivalent of the US Sup Crt. If I am in error, no problem being corrected on this.
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I'm pretty sure you're right about that. So far, the EU hasn't said anything, or its member-states (besides Romania). If they remain mute on this for too long, they'll be handing nationalists not just in Romania but across Europe and in the United States a blank-check mandate to smash apart the EU with reckless abandon, because this is just downright ****ing disgusting.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Anti-Hungarian Bill Alarms Romanian Rights Activists

Romania%20Protest%20Photo%20by%20Vadim%20Ghirda%20AP%20640%20thumb.jpg


Romania's Senate is to discuss a bill that proposes jail terms of six months to three years for people challenging Romania's "constitutional order", prompting civic activists to claim that the ruling Social Democrat Party, PSD, may attempt to limit free speech.

The bill amending the penal code includes one article that says: "Action against people or assets by one of more individuals together, with the clear purpose to change the constitutional order, or to make it harder or prevent the state from exercising its power, is punishable with six months to three years of imprisonment".

"I have to remind everybody that PSD spokesman [Adrian Dobre] said that [anti-corrution] protesters prevented the government for working properly. So be careful. Protesting might soon become a crime,” she said.

Activists say restricting constitutional rights is a step back to dictatorship, however.

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  • The top See Also links to a thread with various updates on the Romanian Crisis beginning almost a month ago, which chronicled events in the crisis in question - ending with a link detailing growing Romanian-Russian relations. I decided to start a new thread because this details a rather dramatic turn of events regarding the endemic corruption of Romania. It looks to me that Romania is on its way to becoming a pariah state much like Russia, isolated due to the corruption of its government. If you go to the top See Also link you can get a glance/summary of what has been going on since roughly the beginning of February, and also see how it has escalated. This latest turn of events is quite shocking.
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  • Other Eu countries have similar laws in place. Germany's paragraph 86 and 86(a) of the criminal code comes to mind, which prescribes a similar punishment. But it is one of a number of restrictions on democratic expression.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I'm pretty sure you're right about that. So far, the EU hasn't said anything, or its member-states (besides Romania). If they remain mute on this for too long, they'll be handing nationalists not just in Romania but across Europe and in the United States a blank-check mandate to smash apart the EU with reckless abandon, because this is just downright ****ing disgusting.
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From what I have read, Russia is providing monies to far right orgs, not only in your country, but others. It falls in line with election disruptions. To also cause disruptive events. Both Germany and France with their elections will be next.
Why a Govt who had to walk back a recent law comes out with this, well it does not show they prefer all the rights that are important to a democracy.
They want to shut down dissent.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Anti-Hungarian Bill Alarms Romanian Rights Activists

Romania%20Protest%20Photo%20by%20Vadim%20Ghirda%20AP%20640%20thumb.jpg


Romania's Senate is to discuss a bill that proposes jail terms of six months to three years for people challenging Romania's "constitutional order", prompting civic activists to claim that the ruling Social Democrat Party, PSD, may attempt to limit free speech.

The bill amending the penal code includes one article that says: "Action against people or assets by one of more individuals together, with the clear purpose to change the constitutional order, or to make it harder or prevent the state from exercising its power, is punishable with six months to three years of imprisonment".

"I have to remind everybody that PSD spokesman [Adrian Dobre] said that [anti-corrution] protesters prevented the government for working properly. So be careful. Protesting might soon become a crime,” she said.

Activists say restricting constitutional rights is a step back to dictatorship, however.

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JANFU said:
From what I have read, Russia is providing monies to far right orgs, not only in your country, but others. It falls in line with election disruptions. To also cause disruptive events. Both Germany and France with their elections will be next.
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The Dutch election also happens soon. Geert Wilders was doing well, but I think the Rutte/Lodewijk gov't may prevail. They're also providing funds to left-wing populists/groups as well, such as the Five Stars Movement in Italy (and of course, the crypto-communists running the Romanian legislature and cabinet, I'm sure).
 
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