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Dane Shows Us why the Nationalist Right will Win

Which is why the EU is doomed. People want their hard borders back.

Well, the biggest death tolls are a few generations removed....





People become absorbed in facebook and reality TV. Then history does....whatever it does....
 
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Then you're mistaken.

I never worked for the Chinese. I hope not to ever have to...especially if they are worse than the Japanese.
 
Hard borders have basically never existed! Do you think the US border to Canada is "hard"? LOL anyone can walk over that and DO! The only times in recent "post ww2" history in Europe, where we have had "hard borders", is with East Germany and the Iron Curtain, and that was the other side making it hard. All we did was put up some barb wire and called that the border... they had guards and mine fields to keep people in.. that was a HARD border.

Tell that to the guys busted smuggling EPO into France for the Tour De France back in 1998. Maybe they should have tried using a different route.

(edit: added note. This post will veer into J.Swift territory at the end. All, understand that that part is a critique of the general approach to terrorism that people tend to espouse these days, not a serious suggestion).


Maybe they should have.

Are you being serious or just yanking a chain or too? No country has anything like a completely monitored border. (OK, I don't know about Monaco, etc, but.....). It isn't financially plausible. If it became so, the marginal cost wouldn't match the marginal risk fought.

For example, the US has tens of thousands of miles of border including every twist and turn. Come to think of it, with twists and turns, it's probably 100,000+ (despite it being a few thousand across). One might cut it out by building one's walls a mile inland, but then one leaves open tunneling. Whatever one does, one is looking at a tremendous amount of territory that would need massive human surveillance, massive technological surveillance, and which would actually drive up the price of goods*. It'd be trillions and trillions and trillions to close our border, and Germany's would be less but still in the trillions.

Compare that to the monetary cost of terrorism.

Now for the non-monetary. Consider how many Americans were killed by terrrorism in the last 20 years, in the US. What is it? 4,000? A few hundred over 9/11? Compare that to the number of people killed by drunk drivers (about 10,000 a year, or 200,000 in that time). Cancer (590,000/year), (600,000 /year)


Over those 20 years:
Hearth Disease: 20,000,000 killed
Cancer: ~ 11,800,000 killed
Drunk drivers: 200,000 killed
Terrorism: 4,000 killed



What's my point?

My point is that we react in massive disproportion to the objective threat posed by terrorism as we do to things that kill vastly greater numbers of people. We propose massive intrusions on privacy and freedom to fight terrorism, but even less - rather than 10-fold or more - intrusions to combat the greatest killers. Freaking out over a border crossing that might even be fake is the least of the symptoms.

Our policies are moronic. If we're going to monitor private emails and texts, if we're going to wiretap people, if we're going to actually ban muslims from entering the states (whether or not from "terrorist" countries to be determined, the label itself in question...) then we should probably just straight-up ban added sugar and execute fat people.


If one threw out emotions and addressed things with cold logic, and if one worked from the starting position that our approach to terrorism is correct, then this is probably too sedate a suggestion. Persons possessing tobacco should be flayed alive, with 1/30th of the skin removed on the hour every hour. Drunk drivers should be drowned in alcohol, but slowly: a 'witch test' in vodka. And so on. Because remember, terrorism killed 4,000 people in 20 years here, and we're talking about two things that killed 20,000,000 and one that did 200,000.

Of course not. Let's incorporate some perspective into our emotionally-driven approach to terrorism.



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*I say that because the reason we don't have stronger immigration policies is the corporations that benefit from illegal labor downstream, where plausible deniability lies.
 
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So...how is Israel's wall working?

It'll start working a lot better now that Obama is heading off into the sunset, and Trump will let Netanyahu do whatever he wants to secure his own border.
 

(edit: added note. This post will veer into J.Swift territory at the end. All, understand that that part is a critique of the general approach to terrorism that people tend to espouse these days, not a serious suggestion).


Maybe they should have.

Are you being serious or just yanking a chain or too? No country has anything like a completely monitored border. (OK, I don't know about Monaco, etc, but.....). It isn't financially plausible. If it became so, the marginal cost wouldn't match the marginal risk fought.

For example, the US has tens of thousands of miles of border including every twist and turn. Come to think of it, with twists and turns, it's probably 100,000+ (despite it being a few thousand across). One might cut it out by building one's walls a mile inland, but then one leaves open tunneling. Whatever one does, one is looking at a tremendous amount of territory that would need massive human surveillance, massive technological surveillance, and which would actually drive up the price of goods*. It'd be trillions and trillions and trillions to close our border, and Germany's would be less but still in the trillions.

Compare that to the monetary cost of terrorism.

Now for the non-monetary. Consider how many Americans were killed by terrrorism in the last 20 years, in the US. What is it? 4,000? A few hundred over 9/11? Compare that to the number of people killed by drunk drivers (about 10,000 a year, or 200,000 in that time). Cancer (590,000/year), (600,000 /year)


Over those 20 years:
Hearth Disease: 20,000,000 killed
Cancer: ~ 11,800,000 killed
Drunk drivers: 200,000 killed
Terrorism: 4,000 killed



What's my point?

My point is that we react in massive disproportion to the objective threat posed by terrorism as we do to things that kill vastly greater numbers of people. We propose massive intrusions on privacy and freedom to fight terrorism, but even less - rather than 10-fold or more - intrusions to combat the greatest killers. Freaking out over a border crossing that might even be fake is the least of the symptoms.

Our policies are moronic. If we're going to monitor private emails and texts, if we're going to wiretap people, if we're going to actually ban muslims from entering the states (whether or not from "terrorist" countries to be determined, the label itself in question...) then we should probably just straight-up ban added sugar and execute fat people.


If one threw out emotions and addressed things with cold logic, and if one worked from the starting position that our approach to terrorism is correct, then this is probably too sedate a suggestion. Persons possessing tobacco should be flayed alive, with 1/30th of the skin removed on the hour every hour. Drunk drivers should be drowned in alcohol, but slowly: a 'witch test' in vodka. And so on. Because remember, terrorism killed 4,000 people in 20 years here, and we're talking about two things that killed 20,000,000 and one that did 200,000.

Of course not. Let's incorporate some perspective into our emotionally-driven approach to terrorism.



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*I say that because the reason we don't have stronger immigration policies is the corporations that benefit from illegal labor downstream, where plausible deniability lies.

I think people living in a country should have the right to keep people who are not from that country out.
 

(edit: added note. This post will veer into J.Swift territory at the end. All, understand that that part is a critique of the general approach to terrorism that people tend to espouse these days, not a serious suggestion).


Maybe they should have.

Are you being serious or just yanking a chain or too? No country has anything like a completely monitored border. (OK, I don't know about Monaco, etc, but.....). It isn't financially plausible. If it became so, the marginal cost wouldn't match the marginal risk fought.

For example, the US has tens of thousands of miles of border including every twist and turn. Come to think of it, with twists and turns, it's probably 100,000+ (despite it being a few thousand across). One might cut it out by building one's walls a mile inland, but then one leaves open tunneling. Whatever one does, one is looking at a tremendous amount of territory that would need massive human surveillance, massive technological surveillance, and which would actually drive up the price of goods*. It'd be trillions and trillions and trillions to close our border, and Germany's would be less but still in the trillions.

Compare that to the monetary cost of terrorism.

Now for the non-monetary. Consider how many Americans were killed by terrrorism in the last 20 years, in the US. What is it? 4,000? A few hundred over 9/11? Compare that to the number of people killed by drunk drivers (about 10,000 a year, or 200,000 in that time). Cancer (590,000/year), (600,000 /year)


Over those 20 years:
Hearth Disease: 20,000,000 killed
Cancer: ~ 11,800,000 killed
Drunk drivers: 200,000 killed
Terrorism: 4,000 killed



What's my point?

My point is that we react in massive disproportion to the objective threat posed by terrorism as we do to things that kill vastly greater numbers of people. We propose massive intrusions on privacy and freedom to fight terrorism, but even less - rather than 10-fold or more - intrusions to combat the greatest killers. Freaking out over a border crossing that might even be fake is the least of the symptoms.

Our policies are moronic. If we're going to monitor private emails and texts, if we're going to wiretap people, if we're going to actually ban muslims from entering the states (whether or not from "terrorist" countries to be determined, the label itself in question...) then we should probably just straight-up ban added sugar and execute fat people.


If one threw out emotions and addressed things with cold logic, and if one worked from the starting position that our approach to terrorism is correct, then this is probably too sedate a suggestion. Persons possessing tobacco should be flayed alive, with 1/30th of the skin removed on the hour every hour. Drunk drivers should be drowned in alcohol, but slowly: a 'witch test' in vodka. And so on. Because remember, terrorism killed 4,000 people in 20 years here, and we're talking about two things that killed 20,000,000 and one that did 200,000.

Of course not. Let's incorporate some perspective into our emotionally-driven approach to terrorism.



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*I say that because the reason we don't have stronger immigration policies is the corporations that benefit from illegal labor downstream, where plausible deniability lies.

I think people living in a country should have the right to keep people who are not from that country out.


Leave another comment when your post isn't in troll-mode....
 
Leave another comment when your post isn't in troll-mode....

How on earth is "I think people living in a country should have the right to keep people who are not from that country out," troll-mode?
 
It'll start working a lot better now that Obama is heading off into the sunset, and Trump will let Netanyahu do whatever he wants to secure his own border.

You mean stealing more land?
 
Again, most borders are nothing but a line on a map and maybe some poles in the ground. They are not manned 24/7 and never have been for the most part. This goes back centuries.
I can assure you that a few decades ago our borders were well guarded.

The little roads crossing the border are actually few and they can even be left unguarded provided that they converge to guarded roads. Our road networks near the border were designed so that the police could stop any vehicle before it could venture more than a few kilometers into the country.

As for pedestrians and smuggling confined near the border, there were patrols. It was possible to avoid them but it was unreliable.


Finally note that today it is easier and cheaper than ever to watch a border. And it will be even more in ten years.

I am not against border checks at border crossings in Europe, as long as they do not prevent the legitimate movement of peoples and goods.
Of course it does slow down the flux of people and goods, this is unavoidable.

But migratory pressures will more than double in the upcoming decades while our current levels are already unsustainable on the long-term: the immigrants' population doubles every 30 years and is increasingly rejected, while the African demography is exploding and they face the greatest exposure to global warming, especially the Middle East.

So there are two ways to tackle this and I think we will need both: electronic-only currency and camera networks to detect any illegal on the streets with face recognition, coupled with military forces to forcefully send them back, and tight border controls to prevent them to move in.


Immigration control will become a increasing necessity and there will be a price to pay for it. The alternative would be to become an African country.
 
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I can assure you that a few decades ago our borders were well guarded.

LOL and I can assure you they were not. The Danish border is only a couple of hundred kms, where as the German total border is over 3000... no way you can effectively guard such a border without massive costs.

The little roads crossing the border are actually few and they can even be left unguarded provided that they converge to guarded roads. Our road networks near the border were designed so that the police could stop any vehicle before it could venture more than a few kilometers into the country.

For the love of god.. that is still a freaking open border. Even in the above video, the so called Danish Isis terrorist moron could have been stopped by German police within a few kilometers into the country. That does not mean it is guarded as you claim it once was.. Having police "watch" the area around the border is nothing new and fully legal under EU rules. Countries have never stopped this, just as the police have never stopped watching the waves for possible boats with illegal stuff on it.

As for pedestrians and smuggling confined near the border, there were patrols. It was possible to avoid them but it was unreliable.

Yes and there still is. It is called the police. But again, that does not make a secure border in the way you think or want it to be.

Finally note that today it is easier and cheaper than ever to watch a border. And it will be even more in ten years.

Again.. WATCH.. that is not guarding! For the love of god, your inability to understand basic logistics and history is really hurting your cause... then again that is typical for people on your side of the political divide.

of course it does slow down the flux of people and goods, this is unavoidable.

Depends on how much it is slowed down. Hours at the border is unacceptable.. 10-15 minutes is just fine.

But migratory pressures will more than double in the upcoming decades while our current levels are already unsustainable on the long-term: the immigrants' population doubles every 30 years and is increasingly rejected, while the African demography is exploding and they face the greatest exposure to global warming, especially the Middle East.

Immigrant population does not double every 30 years. Birth rates for 2nd and on wards generation women is similar to "locals".

So there are two ways to tackle this and I think we will need both: electronic-only currency and camera networks to detect any illegal on the streets with face recognition, coupled with military forces to forcefully send them back, and tight border controls to prevent them to move in.

You really do sound like a freaking Nazi with the camera networks...big brother overkill for a relatively small problem. First off.. "forcefully send them back".. to where? What if the country they come from refuses to accept them? Then what? Secondly the only way you can have tight enough border controls, is to put a wall on every border with armed guard towers and expand the Navy massively, unless you simply build walls on your coastlines. What you want is logistically near impossible and would cost so much that it is financially impossible.
 
Immigrant population does not double every 30 years. Birth rates for 2nd and on wards generation women is similar to "locals".
The problem is not just their fecundity: the immigration rate also increased. Not only they do multiply quickly, but also we import more and more of them and we are less and less able to regulate it.

As for their fecundity, it is very high during the first generation (+50% to +100% after the first generation). As for the second generation it is still significantly higher than the national average (aggregate of natives' fecundity + immigrants' fecundity). As for the third generation it is still slightly higher than the national average, and therefore still higher than the natives' demography. No data for the fourth yet.

Religious people tend to reproduce more. And Muslims are more and more religious. They are unlikely to converge to our levels, for cultural reasons. And we continue to import more and more.

You really do sound like a freaking Nazi with the camera networks...big brother overkill for a relatively small problem.
I hate electronic surveillance, but you will see that we will not have the choice.

Either we will adopt drastic measures, either we will become African countries.

What if the country they come from refuses to accept them?
Invade the territorial waters and drop them on the shore. Invade their countries if necessary. But send them BACK.

Secondly the only way you can have tight enough border controls, is to put a wall on every border with armed guard towers and expand the Navy massively, unless you simply build walls on your coastlines. What you want is logistically near impossible and would cost so much that it is financially impossible.
Not at all, this is much simpler and cheaper than you think.

If we talk about European borders, the land border is extremely thin and the seas can be surveilled by satellites. Improved AI will soon allow us to watch every square centimeter of water.

If we talk about France, monitoring the land borders is more complicated but far to be impossible. Patrolling drones will soon be apt to the job and do it very efficiently for a very reasonable price.


The only complicated thing is the flow of people and goods. We will have to slow it down, there is no other way. We have to choose between keeping the trade very open or becoming an African country. Once again we do not really have the choice. No big deal: it will only harm our economies a bit and could even benefit them.
 
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(edit: added note. This post will veer into J.Swift territory at the end. All, understand that that part is a critique of the general approach to terrorism that people tend to espouse these days, not a serious suggestion).


Maybe they should have.

Are you being serious or just yanking a chain or too? No country has anything like a completely monitored border. (OK, I don't know about Monaco, etc, but.....). It isn't financially plausible. If it became so, the marginal cost wouldn't match the marginal risk fought.

For example, the US has tens of thousands of miles of border including every twist and turn. Come to think of it, with twists and turns, it's probably 100,000+ (despite it being a few thousand across). One might cut it out by building one's walls a mile inland, but then one leaves open tunneling. Whatever one does, one is looking at a tremendous amount of territory that would need massive human surveillance, massive technological surveillance, and which would actually drive up the price of goods*. It'd be trillions and trillions and trillions to close our border, and Germany's would be less but still in the trillions.

Compare that to the monetary cost of terrorism.

Now for the non-monetary. Consider how many Americans were killed by terrrorism in the last 20 years, in the US. What is it? 4,000? A few hundred over 9/11? Compare that to the number of people killed by drunk drivers (about 10,000 a year, or 200,000 in that time). Cancer (590,000/year), (600,000 /year)


Over those 20 years:
Hearth Disease: 20,000,000 killed
Cancer: ~ 11,800,000 killed
Drunk drivers: 200,000 killed
Terrorism: 4,000 killed



What's my point?

My point is that we react in massive disproportion to the objective threat posed by terrorism as we do to things that kill vastly greater numbers of people. We propose massive intrusions on privacy and freedom to fight terrorism, but even less - rather than 10-fold or more - intrusions to combat the greatest killers. Freaking out over a border crossing that might even be fake is the least of the symptoms.

Our policies are moronic. If we're going to monitor private emails and texts, if we're going to wiretap people, if we're going to actually ban muslims from entering the states (whether or not from "terrorist" countries to be determined, the label itself in question...) then we should probably just straight-up ban added sugar and execute fat people.


If one threw out emotions and addressed things with cold logic, and if one worked from the starting position that our approach to terrorism is correct, then this is probably too sedate a suggestion. Persons possessing tobacco should be flayed alive, with 1/30th of the skin removed on the hour every hour. Drunk drivers should be drowned in alcohol, but slowly: a 'witch test' in vodka. And so on. Because remember, terrorism killed 4,000 people in 20 years here, and we're talking about two things that killed 20,000,000 and one that did 200,000.

Of course not. Let's incorporate some perspective into our emotionally-driven approach to terrorism.



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*I say that because the reason we don't have stronger immigration policies is the corporations that benefit from illegal labor downstream, where plausible deniability lies.

Yep. The greatest threat to world peace is not terrorism, it is national governments.
 
The problem is not just their fecundity: the immigration rate also increased.

No it has not. Legal immigration to Europe is not high and varies from country to country. We only accept highly educated peoples who can pay for their own way.

Illegal immigrants and refugees have gone up, yes but that is due to chaos in the world, that we in part caused.

Illegal immigrants need to be processed and sent back. Sadly due to no coordinated EU system to do so, each individual country has to make treaties with countries of origin, which means that the ability of countries to send back people is limited depending on the country. That is why places like Denmark have a hard time sending back North Africans, and places like Germany have "paperwork" in kicking out Tunisians and others from North Africa. Had there been an EU wide system, then no country on the planet would dare say no to taking the citizens back. But no, the far right idiots dont have the intellectual capacity to understand such things, so they have lead us down a dark road of nationalism, xenophobia and out right racism. I blame my own country in part, and that of the UK, France and others, who refused to renegotiate the rules on migrants in Europe. Maybe now that the UK is leaving, then the rest of the EU can sit down and find a solution that fixes the problem.

Refugees are here on a temporary basis. What has to be done, is to make damn sure that it is temporary. On this point I suspect we can agree some what. My position is clear. You came here as a refugee, and as soon as the country you fled from is safe, then it is home. You can then apply for immigration status and all that from your homeland. I dont care if you or your family have so called roots in your country of refugee. Live is hard, deal with it. The failed policies of previous European governments (going back 30+ years) on this issue has caused a problem where we still to this day in many countries have people who came on refugee status from places like Lebanon and Bosnia and yet they still remain.
 
No it has not. Legal immigration to Europe is not high and varies from country to country. We only accept highly educated peoples who can pay for their own way.
Foreigners now amount to 30% of Swiss, 19% of Sweden, 18% of Austria, 14% of UK, 13% of France. The corresponding population numbers were about half of that three decades ago.

Immigration rates amount to 1.6% in Swiss and Sweden, 0.9% in the UK and Germany (relatively to population size). This is three times higher than it was in 2000, and it keeps accelerating.

Thirty years ago France had 2M Muslims, now we have 4-5M (conservative estimations, 8% of pop), more radical then before. They dominate many of our main cities' surburbs and they amount to a third of the youth in Paris' region. In thirty years they will amount to 9M (15% of pop) and they will comprise the majority of the youth in Paris' region. In sixty years they will amount to 20M and dominate our main cities.


Immigration, identity and Islam are the biggest problems Europe will face this century. Their numbers will keep growing, problems will keep worsening, conflicts will multiply, and they will dominate the political landscape for the foreseeable decades. The backlash will be mostly against Muslims, then Africans, but also against Europeans.

I know you want Islam to rise in Europe. But there will be countless blood bathes. Become aware of it before it is too late and help us close the gates.
 
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The border that the Danish man allegedly crossed while posing as an ISIS terrorist is located between Germany and Denmark. There are militarised border check points between EU member states and non-member states. But inside the EU, there are no border controls, which was why this specific border was not manned just like many other border crossings in Western Europe. The man is also a Danish citizen and it's hard to misidentify him as a terrorist as he is white.

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The Skomagerhus border crossing between Denmark and Germany.
 
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Foreigners now amount to 30% of Swiss, 19% of Sweden, 18% of Austria, 14% of UK, 13% of France. The corresponding population numbers were about half of that three decades ago.

I see, so you are an ultra nationalist then. Guess those French and Germans in Switzerland are bad eh? You also do know that 70% of the "immigrants" in Sweden come from Europe right? But I am guessing for you anyone not of your country is a threat eh? Do you only count born outside the country, or even those who has one parent born outside the country?

Immigration rates amount to 1.6% in Swiss and Sweden, 0.9% in the UK and Germany (relatively to population size). This is three times higher than it was in 2000, and it keeps accelerating.

These numbers give no meaning. Got a link to them? Does that include emmigration or?

Thirty years ago France had 2M Muslims, now we have 4-5M (conservative estimations, 8% of pop), more radical then before. They dominate many of our main cities' surburbs and they amount to a third of the youth in Paris' region. In thirty years they will amount to 9M (15% of pop) and they will comprise the majority of the youth in Paris' region. In sixty years they will amount to 20M and dominate our main cities.

I see you been reading some far right demographics books. Top tip.. dont believe them, as they base their studies on inaccurate models.

Immigration, identity and Islam are the biggest problems Europe will face this century. Their numbers will keep growing, problems will keep worsening, conflicts will multiply, and they will dominate the political landscape for the foreseeable decades. The backlash will be mostly against Muslims, then Africans, but also against Europeans.

No the biggest problem is the far right who use immigration as an excuse to gain power again and put in place the 4th Reich.

I know you want Islam to rise in Europe. But there will be countless blood bathes. Become aware of it before it is too late and help us close the gates.

I dont want Islam to rise in Europe, where on earth did you get that idea? What I dont want, is yet another decade or 2 of massive discrimination based on ones religious beliefs. We tried that in the 1930s and 40s.. did not go well. A huge majority of Muslims in Europe are peaceful and secular.. do you not believe that?
 
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The border that the Danish man allegedly crossed while posing as an ISIS terrorist is located between Germany and Denmark. There are militarised border check points between EU member states and non-member states. But inside the EU, there are no border controls, which was why this specific border was not manned just like many other border crossings in Western Europe. The man is also a Danish citizen and it's hard to misidentify him as a terrorist as he is white.

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The Skomagerhus border crossing between Denmark and Germany.

1) There are at the moment border controls between Germany and Denmark.. well on the Danish side. They are on the official border crossings. The above is not. It is a country road in the middle of no where. All borders have such places.

2) Are all terrorists brown or black in your eyes?

3) If he truly was an ISIS terrorist, then he would not dress up like a total moron. The ISIS "get up" might fit in some what in Syria and Iraq, but outside you stick out like a sore thumb, something you dont want to do if you are doing something criminal. It would be like walking around with a big sign above your head saying "I am a pick pocket" and then trying to pick pocket people..
 
Guess those French and Germans in Switzerland are bad eh? You also do know that 70% of the "immigrants" in Sweden come from Europe right? But I am guessing for you anyone not of your country is a threat eh?
Having some European foreigners is great, having too many of them is an invasion. Because they do not share your culture and sometimes do not speak your language. They change your country into an English-speaking one and makes you no longer feel at home.

What I tried to explain to you is that those countries are also growing a xenophobia against other Europeans because they feel invaded. And given the extremely high shares of foreigners in those countries, it is understandable and legitimate for anyone but globalist bigots like you.

France has no problems so far with European immigration: we have a reasonable share of them. However we have way too many Muslims, and the resulting Islamophobia will also impact non-Muslim foreigners. We are also nearing the threshold for sub-saharian Africans (their fecundity alone will bring us past the saturation point).


These numbers give no meaning. Got a link to them? Does that include emmigration or?
Those numbers are meaningful and I would be happy to explain any question you have.

As for a source I got them from a printed French source. However the historical data for UK are easily found and I engage you to search data for your own country.

The immigration rate is a raw one, not a net one (does not include immigrants' departures). However we should not subtract all emigration from immigration: when your own people leave your country it makes the situation worse. Demographic deficit must not be compensated by Muslims: it is not worth it and we are entering a new age of automation anyway.

I see you been reading some far right demographics books.
Historical and present numbers come from the INED, our official demographic institute.

Projections are my own: a simple extrapolation of the yearly growth rate of the past twenty years. Note that this growth is currently accelerating, but I used a constant instead. Leftist projections are not very far from mine, albeit smaller, but they usually do stop at 2030-2050.

However with a third of Muslims among the youth in Paris' region, it should be obvious for anyone that this region will be Muslim way before the end of this century if we do nothing.

No the biggest problem is the far right who use immigration as an excuse to gain power again and put in place the 4th Reich.
The French far-right is a moderate party without any resemblance whatsoever with Nazism. Half of American republicans are more extreme than they are. However I can guarantee you that given how fast immigration and identity conflicts are rising, you will see extremism in Europe.

But those extremist movements will be the consequence, not the cause. Attacking the far-right is NOT the solution. You cannot extinguish a fire by masking the fire's light.

Also this time it will not be the majority crushing a minority. This time it will be two groups fighting each other: us versus them.

I dont want Islam to rise in Europe, where on earth did you get that idea?
You do support the immigration of Muslims, don't you? You do support the construction of Mosques, don't you?

Then you are mechanically supporting the rise of Islam in Europe.

A huge majority of Muslims in Europe are peaceful and secular.. do you not believe that?
78% of British Muslims support punishing blasphemy.

Islam as an identity is rising. More and more Muslims are Muslim first, before being British or French. Religiosity and radicalism are more and more common among them, and the gap between us is widening.

We will be divided countries, plagued by hatred and conflicts, and they will demographically dominate our main urban areas.
 
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