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Why don't you move to Europe?

Ganesh said:
Nothing hypothetical here, from the Thirty Years War to the KKK cross burnings to the IRA in '60s N Ireland. God was on the side of our Christian soldiers during the slaughter of WW1, but..oops, He was also on the other side...hmmm. And if you think there is no support for murder and mayhem in the Bible, then you haven't read it. What you refer to as "Christian Doctrine" are those parts cherry picked out by today's modern, liberal, scientific, civilized people who like some of the philosophy, but not all the nasty murder and retribution. So they simply close their eyes to it, or rationalize it away in some fashion.

And you are doing the same thing with the Koran, except in reverse. Your preconceived notion is a violent bunch of terrorists, so that is what you find to refer to, ignoring that there are endless ambiguities and nonsensical interpretations in both the Bible and Koran, as one would expect after endless translations and reinterpretations over centuries of what was originally uninformed mythological notions by tribal peoples.

Did you know there are differing interpretations of "Jihad"? By choosing only what you want to see, you are making my point. That's human nature- looking for confirmation of pre-existing beliefs.
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Did you know that 97% of the verses on jihad promote or have violence in them? You are using debunked excuses.

For the Koran, it is open to literal interpretation only. It says so itself.
 
Ganesh said:
$100K? But surely you are factoring in your chrome covered Cadillac, and heaps of gold neck chains. In fact a 65k property is pretty affordable on an average wage of about 20K euros. And for those that don't have even 20K, there are many more subsidized housing options in Europe than in the US.

You've said yourself that you don't live in those places because you find at least one aspect of living in a larger center an important enough one not to move. And no doubt, others find similar or other reasons to live where they do, which is why real estate varies quite a bit by location.

Europe actually stacks up pretty well in housing, and is far more egalitarian and inclusive than America.
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20K Euros per year? The average McDonald's or Wal-mart employee makes that in the USA. 20K Euros is USD 21,200 . That USD 10 and some change per hour, just a bit more than minimum wage!

McDonalds to give a pay raise to hourly workers - Apr. 1, 2015

More Than One Million Walmart U.S. Associates Receive Raises as Part of Largest Single-Day Pay Increase in the History of Corporate America

2016 action lifts average hourly full-time rate to $13.38; New paid time off plan gives full- and part-time associates greater control
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coldjoint said:
Did you know that 97% of the verses on jihad promote or have violence in them? You are using debunked excuses.

For the Koran, it is open to literal interpretation only. It says so itself.
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What complete BS. You are just flailing about at this point.

How's the work on the shrine going?
 
SDET said:
20K Euros per year? The average McDonald's or Wal-mart employee makes that in the USA. 20K Euros is USD 21,200 . That USD 10 and some change per hour, just a bit more than minimum wage!

McDonalds to give a pay raise to hourly workers - Apr. 1, 2015

More Than One Million Walmart U.S. Associates Receive Raises as Part of Largest Single-Day Pay Increase in the History of Corporate America
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Starting to grasp at straws now? WalMart and McDonald's employees are at the bottom of the heap in America, impoverished and often eligible for food stamps or other welfare programs. $21K is a poverty wage in the US, and one must also factor in exorbitant medical costs, high housing costs in big cities, the expense of running at least two cars per family, as public transport is often inadequate or non-existent, and the need to save to try and grapple with high education fees for universities, and also putting some aside for rainy days, as social support programs are minimal.

That's why folks in those sort of jobs often have two or three, that's what is needed to make ends meet in a society with vast polarization of wealth, and a philosophy of little or no community support. Your $20k average worker in Italy needs worry about none of the above, just making the mortgage on that villa in Tuscany, and choosing a good Chianti to have with lunch (with usually two hours off work to drink it).
 
Ganesh said:
Starting to grasp at straws now? WalMart and McDonald's employees are at the bottom of the heap in America, impoverished and often eligible for food stamps or other welfare programs. $21K is a poverty wage in the US, and one must also factor in exorbitant medical costs, high housing costs in big cities, the expense of running at least two cars per family, as public transport is often inadequate or non-existent, and the need to save to try and grapple with high education fees for universities, and also putting some aside for rainy days, as social support programs are minimal.

That's why folks in those sort of jobs often have two or three, that's what is needed to make ends meet in a society with vast polarization of wealth, and a philosophy of little or no community support. Your $20k average worker in Italy needs worry about none of the above, just making the mortgage on that villa in Tuscany, and choosing a good Chianti to have with lunch (with usually two hours off work to drink it).
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I'm just plugging in the numbers; it's what I do. If Europe were a good deal, I would give it a try. The numbers don't add up.
 
Ganesh said:
What complete BS. You are just flailing about at this point.

How's the work on the shrine going?
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It is not BS it is a statistical fact.
A. Jihad Verse Selection Criteria

Each of the 164 Jihad verses in this list was selected based on how clearly and directly it spoke about Jihad, at least when considered in its immediate context. Most of the listed passages mention a military expedition, fighting, or distributing war spoils. Verses NOT generally listed are those that speak about aspects of Jihad other than the raiding, fighting and looting, such as:

Muhammad's poor opinion of those who did not go on Jihad, even though they were able-bodied and able financially (for instance, some verses in K 009:081-096),
The heavenly rewards for Jihadists, and
The many generic mentions of "victory" found in the Koran.
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"164 Jihad Verses in the Koran -- Passages in the Quran about Islamic Holy War" compiled by Yoel Natan
 
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